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Originally posted by MissE
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
The reality, though, is that more and more evidence is showing that small-ish, regionally appropriate farms growing regionally appropriate foods will
feed us all in the future (if we are to be fed), not massive monoculture agri-factories that are increasingly unsustainable, requiring massive energy
inputs in the form of fossil fuels.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I am), but couldn't GMO crops be sold at the local farmer's market as well? I remember when I was first reading about Monsanto a while back, that the GMO crops could be anywhere since they spread so easily and are mainly what is available as far as seeds.
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Originally posted by solsticks
Um, hello, I hate Monsanto too, but...aren't any of you noticing (especially on ATS) the irony of you all cheering on a GOVERNMENT DESTROYING PRIVATE PROPERTY? I understand the seeds were illegal...but some of you have said 'this should happen in America'. That smacks of something very wrong to me...jus' sayin....
Originally posted by belsoember
I still learn english sorry for my simple language.
Hello guys. Im from Hungary. Its good to see news from here reach the world and forums like this. But i have to disappoint you.
We are part of the EU and there are consequent steps to destroy our agriculture. So yes. Right now we banned GMO products, but the truth is we wont produce much organic foods either.
We have a very good geological location, sorrounded by high mountains like the Alps and Carpathians which protect us from extreme weather. We have 4 very separete seasons and we are rich in good quality waters, not only on the surface but this region is incredibly rich in geothermal waters too.
But i could tell for hours what happened here since we allowed international money to enter our country (1991). We were the "food table of europe" ( Hungarian historical term i cant translate exactly ) for centuries but now we have to import everything. For example we ate cherry and grape from Chile ( exactly the opposite side of the globe ) while our farmers are paid to destroy and sell their fields.
We had a great sugar producing industry with 12 factories 20 years ago. Since we are in the EU we have only 1. Big european sugar industry groups bought everything to "increase their productivity and bring new technology here", but they lied and they let the factories to go bankrupt.
We produced 650.000 Tonns of sugar in 1991. Last year it was 105.000 Tonns. We arent allowed to produce more because the EU has regulations and standards. Its very stupid that half of the globe is starving and we have to pay fines to the EU if we produce more food.
And those regulations..
They had a EU standard about the curve of the cucumber. It took them 20 years to realize this BS.
Read this
And another one big problem:
Monsanto got a big boost in Europe yesterday when an official ruled that the European Union’s constituent countries couldn’t independently ban genetically modified crops (GMOs) on their turf. Source: Red Green & Blue (s.tt...)
Link to this article
Maybe we won a battle but we lost the war years ago. And i havent said anything about our corrupt politicians yet.
Originally posted by EyeHeartBigfoot
This is how a government should protect it's people.
Originally posted by Echtelion
Originally posted by EyeHeartBigfoot
This is how a government should protect it's people.
Hungarian government doesn't care about its "people", they've now made forced labor (slavery) official once again,
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Originally posted by C21H30O2I
Corn, is basically man made. been genetically modified for years. If we didn't nurture it, It would disappear, in a few years.
The GM industry is huge and it's very powerful; with many complicit partners in government. You'd be surprised how many high ranking politicians and bearers of office have either worked for major biotech and agribusiness companies before entering office or immediately upon leaving.
In some cases it's a revolving door - work for the company, then work in the Department of Agriculture or the EPA, then back to the company.
Due to this infiltration, the studies you'd think would be required to release these plants and animals onto the market for human consumption simply haven't been done. You can learn more about this aspect in the video; "The World According To Monsanto".
In a nutshell; American people are the GM experiment. You’re the guinea pigs of this brave new world of GM; and the sad thing is, nobody asked your permission.
The situation is bigger than us too. Other animals feed on the same crops that we do. What will be the long term effects on them? What will happen when creations such as the glofish invariably get into aquatic ecosystems? Nobody can say because nobody knows.
As for human health, a recent study published in the International Journal of Biological Sciences claims to have established a link between three GM maize varieties and negative effects on kidney and liver function in rats after just 90 days of feeding. In addition, some effects on heart, adrenal, spleen and blood cells were also frequently noted.
Many food safety activists are, like Holdrege and Mendelson, concerned about the effects these six major GM crops will have on ecosystems, on agricultural production, and on our bodies. All that aggressive lab work, they argue, has the potential to bring consequences we can’t anticipate. Genetic modification has certainly upped agricultural output, which is a plus when food prices are high and many parts of the world are experiencing or are at risk for famine. But because almost all of us eat GM foods and produce every day, you’re wise to ask tough questions about the relatively new and largely untested technology.
....The reality, though, is that more and more evidence is showing that small-ish, regionally appropriate farms growing regionally appropriate foods will feed us all in the future....
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Small Farm Productivity
How many times have we heard that large farms are more productive than small farms, and that we need to consolidate land holdings to take advantage of that greater productivity and efficiency? The actual data shows the opposite -- small farms produce far more per acre or hectare than large farms.
One reason for the low levels of production on large farms is that they tend to be monocultures. The highest yield of a single crop is often obtained by planting it alone on a field. But while that may produce a lot of one crop, it generates nothing else of use to the farmer. In fact, the bare ground between crop rows invites weed infestation. The weeds then invest labor in weeding or money in herbicide.
Large farmers tend to plant monocultures because they are the simplest to manage with heavy machinery. Small farmers, especially in the Third World, are much more likely to plant crop mixtures -- intercropping -- where the empty space between the rows is occupied by other crops. They usually combine or rotate crops and livestock, with manure serving to replenish soil fertility.
Such integrated farming systems produce far more per unit area than do monocultures. Though the yield per unit area of one crop -- corn, for example -- may be lower on a small farm than on a large monoculture farm, the total production per unit area, often composed of more than a dozen crops and various animal products, can be far higher.
This holds true whether we are talking about an industrial country like the United States, or any country in the Third World.Figure 1 shows the relationship between farm size and total production for fifteen countries in the Third World. In all cases, relatively smaller farm sizes are much more productive per unit area -- 200 to 1,000 percent more productive -- than are larger ones. In the United States the smallest farms, those of 27 acres or less, have more than ten times greater dollar output per acre than larger farms.
While in the U.S. this is largely because smaller farms tend to specialize in high value crops like vegetables and flowers, it also reflects relatively more attention devoted to the farm, and more diverse farming systems..... www.foodfirst.org...
I then remembered what I had read and now I'm still hesitant to even buy from a farmers' market, although it seems wayyyy less likely to be GMO than Wally World produce.
We are part of the EU and there are consequent steps to destroy our agriculture....
The "Food Safety Modernization Act" just being passed in December 2010 g0es in effect 2012.
The new law includes the following section:
SEC. 404. COMPLIANCE WITH INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS.
Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed in a manner inconsistent with the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization or any other treaty or international agreement to which the United States is a party.
www.fda.gov...
International Harmonization
www.cfsan.fda.gov...
“The harmonization of laws, regulations and standards between and among trading partners requires intense, complex, time-consuming negotiations by CFSAN officials. Harmonization must simultaneously facilitate international trade and promote mutual understanding, while protecting national interests and establish a basis to resolve food issues on sound scientific evidence in an objective atmosphere. Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions...”
“...In a sweeping move that has garnered surprisingly little attention this week the United States and the European Union have signed up to a new transatlantic economic partnership that will see regulatory standards “harmonized” and will lay the basis for a merging of the US and EU into one single market, a huge step on the path to a new globalized world order....” The BBC reported (news.bbc.co.uk...) from the Summit in Washington on Monday: stopspp.com...
The Fabians originally were an elite group of intellectuals who formed a semi-secret society for the purpose of bringing socialism to the world....
This is the stained-glass window from the Beatrice Webb House in Surrey, England, former headquarters of the Fabian Society. It was designed by George Bernard Shaw and depicts Sidney Webb and Shaw striking the Earth with hammers to "REMOULD IT NEARER TO THE HEART'S DESIRE," a line from Omar Khayyam. Note the wolf in sheep's clothing in the Fabian crest above the globe. The window is now on display at the London School of Economics (LSE), which was founded by Sydney and Beatrice Webb....
The three most prominent leaders in the early days were Sidney and Beatrice Webb and George Bernard Shaw. www.freedom-force.org...
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Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.”
George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470)
George Bernard Shaw was a founding member of the Fabian Society:
EXTERMINATION OF THE “SOCIALLY INCOMPATIBLE”
“The notion that persons should be safe from extermination as long as they do not commit willful murder, or levy war against the Crown, or kidnap, or throw vitriol, is not only to limit social responsibility unnecessarily, and to privilege the large range of intolerable misconduct that lies outside them, but to divert attention from the essential justification for extermination, which is always incorrigible social incompatibility and nothing else.”
Source: George Bernard Shaw, “On the Rocks” (1933), Preface
“We should find ourselves committed to killing a great many people whom we now leave living, and to leave living a great many people whom we at present kill. We should have to get rid of all ideas about capital punishment …
A part of eugenic politics would finally land us in an extensive use of the lethal chamber. A great many people would have to be put out of existence simply because it wastes other people’s time to look after them.”
Source: George Bernard Shaw, Lecture to the Eugenics Education Society, Reported in The Daily Express, March 4, 1910
KILLING THOSE “UNFIT TO LIVE”
“The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”
Source: George Bernard Shaw, Prefaces (London: Constable and Co., 1934), p. 296.
"After WWII and the Nazis’ “supposed” defeat, you would think the world would find the Nazi philosophy abhorrent. However, when Fabian Socialist Sir Julian Huxley became the first Director-General of UNESCO, he authored UNESCO: ITS PURPOSE AND ITS PHILOSOPHY (1948) in which he revealed that
“even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that is now unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”
This was three years after the founding of the Human Betterment League in 1945 in North Carolina, one of the leading states in forced sterilization (in the late 1970s, Dr. Harmon Smith of Duke University said North Carolina had one of the most thorough involuntary sterilization programs in the U.S.). The League’s director was Alice Shelton Gray who worked with Margaret Sanger. Gray was succeeded as League director by C. Nash Herndon (Carnegie Fellow 1940-41), who became president of the American Eugenics Society from 1952 to 1955..... " www.crossroad.to...
grendelreport.posterous.com...
'Holdren has co-authored works in the past that called for a campaign to “de-develop the United States” and said people need to eventually face up to a “world of zero net physical growth.” He also co-authored a passage that said:
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“The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being. Where any of these essential elements is lacking, the resultant individual will be deficient in some respect.”
Are you attempting to conflate selective breeding over centuries with genetic modification, or are you merely referencing how much of the US's current corn supply is GMO?
Originally posted by crimvelvet
The World Trade Organization is who is forcing the EU to bring in GMO seed.
Except, the mid west is flooded. farmers have lost their land, except the ones who are lucky enough to have the government come in and buy them out
Corn, is basically man made. been genetically modified for years. If we didn't nurture it, It would disappear, in a few years.
At the behest of the American government.
.....The powerful private interests who control WTO agriculture policy prefer to remain in the background as little-publicized NGO’s. One of the most influential in creating the WTO is a little-publicized organization called the IPC-- the International Food and Agricultural Trade Policy Council, shortened to International Policy Council.
The IPC was created in 1987 to lobby for the GATT agriculture rules of WTO at the Uruguay GATT talks. The IPC demanded removal of ‘high tariff’ barriers in developing countries, remaining silent on the massive government subsidy to agribusiness in the USA.
A look at the IPC membership explains what interests it represents. The IPC Chairman is Robert Thompson, former Assistant Secretary US Department of Agriculture and former Presidential economic adviser. Also included in the IPC are Bernard Auxenfans, Chief Operating Officer, Monsanto Global Agricultural Company and Past Chairman of Monsanto Europe S.A.; Allen Andreas of ADM/Toepfer; Andrew Burke of Bunge (US); Dale Hathaway former USDA official and head IFPRI (US).
Other IPC members include Heinz Imhof, chairman of Syngenta (CH); Rob Johnson of Cargill and USDA Agriculture Policy Advisory Council; Franz Fischler Former Commissioner for Agriculture, European Commission; Guy Legras (France) former EU Director General Agriculture; Donald Nelson of Kraft Foods (US); Joe O’Mara of USDA, Hiroshi Shiraiwa of Mitsui & Co Japan; Jim Starkey former Assistant US Trade Representative; Hans Joehr, Nestle’s head of agriculture; Jerry Steiner of Monsanto (US). Members Emeritus include Ann Veneman, former Bush Administration Secretary of Agriculture and former board member of Calgene,[now part of Monsanto cv] creator of the Flavr Savr genetically-modified tomato.
The IPC is controlled by US-based agribusiness giants which benefit from the rules they drafted for WTO trade. In Washington itself, the USDA no longer represents interests of small family farmers. It is the lobby of giant global agribusiness. The USDA is a revolving door for these private agribusiness giants to shape friendly policies. GMO policy is the most blatant example....
For years it has been common knowledge among EU farm experts that grain policy was not set by national governments but by the Big Five private grain traders led by Cargill and ADM. Now the powerful weight of Monsanto, DuPont, Syngenta and the GMO lobby has been added.... www.globalresearch.ca...
In a nutshell; American people are the GM experiment. You’re the guinea pigs of this brave new world of GM; and the sad thing is, nobody asked your permission.
US babies mysteriously shrinking
Birthweights in the US are falling but no one knows why, according to a study of 36.8 million infants born between 1990 and 2005.
A 52-gram drop in the weight of full-term singletons – from an average of 3.441 to 3.389 kilograms – has left Emily Oken's team at Harvard Medical School scratching their heads. It can't be accounted for by an increase in caesarean sections or induced labours, which shorten gestation. What's more, women in the US now smoke less and gain more weight during pregnancy, which should make babies heavier. Oken suggests that unmeasured factors, such as diet or exercise, could explain why babies are being born lighter.....
Bt toxin found in blood of pregnant women and fetuses
EXTRACT: CryAb1 toxin [was] detected in [pregnant women], their fetuses and [non-pregnant women]. This is the first study to reveal the presence of circulating [pesticides associated to genetically modified foods] in women with and without pregnancy, paving the way for a new field in reproductive toxicology including nutrition and utero-placental toxicities....
Abstract
Pesticides associated to genetically modified foods (PAGMF), are engineered to tolerate herbicides such as glyphosate (GLYP) and gluphosinate (GLUF) or insecticides such as the bacterial toxin bacillus thuringiensis (Bt).
The aim of this study was to evaluate the correlation between maternal and fetal exposure, and to determine exposure levels of GLYP and its metabolite aminomethyl phosphoric acid (AMPA), GLUF and its metabolite 3-methylphosphinicopropionic acid (3-MPPA) and Cry1Ab protein (a Bt toxin) in Eastern Townships of Quebec, Canada.
Blood of thirty pregnant women (PW) and thirty-nine nonpregnant women (NPW) were studied.
Serum GLYP and GLUF were detected in NPW and not detected in PW. Serum 3-MPPA and CryAb1 toxin were detected in PW, their fetuses and NPW. This is the first study to reveal the presence of circulating PAGMF in women with and without pregnancy, paving the way for a new field in reproductive toxicology including nutrition and utero-placental toxicities.
www.gmwatch.org...
Female rats fed genetically modified (GM) soya produced excessive numbers of severely stunted pups with over half of the litter dying within three weeks, and the surviving pups are sterile.
These alarming findings came from the laboratory of senior scientist Dr. Irina Ermakova at the Institute of Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow. ....
Preliminary results have been published in a Russian journal [1], in conference proceedings and official reports [2-7], and a fuller paper containing further results is in press [8]. Ermakova has also spoken at numerous public meetings and scientific conferences and in the popular media, both at home and abroad, but regulators have continued to ignore and dismiss her findings.
UK's Advisory Committee on Novel Foods and Processes (ACNFP) has been systematically biased in favour of studies that fail to show significant effects of GM food and feed right from the beginning. Not surprisingly, it continued to cite research that's seriously flawed as evidence against Ermakova's findings [9], and Ermakova has lodged her own protest [10].
One particular study cited by the ACNFP to bolster its GM bias [11] used a batch of GM soya harvested in a middle of a certain field in South Dakota, processed by a commercial company, and fed to mice of indeterminate age and body weight. These factors alone would make the experiments invalid and totally unreplicable. Furthermore, the remarkable similarities in the composition of the GM and non GM diet - both supposed to contain 21.35 percent soya meal – is simply beyond belief. There were no standard deviations to the figures provided; 59 out of 78 of the figures were identical to 2 - 3 significant figures, and the rest differed so slightly that they would have been within standard errors. Could it be that the researchers have been feeding both groups the same diet? There is no evidence that the two diets were different, no DNA tests on the food samples were performed to ascertain that one was GM and the other non-GM.
This contrasts with the investigations carried out by Ermakova, who has been updating her results on her website ( irina-ermakova.by.ru... [12], and urging other scientists to repeat the experiments; all the more important now, as since publishing the initial results, her funding has been cut, and she is strongly discouraged from pursuing this line of research. Suppression and victimisation of honest, independent scientists has now become routine while obfuscation and misrepresentation are perpetrated at the highest levels.... www.i-sis.org.uk...
...In government-sponsored research in Italyii, mice fed Monsanto’s Bt corn showed a wide range of immune responses. Their elevated IgE and IgG antibodies, for example, are typically associated with allergies and infections. The mice had an increase in cytokines, which are associated with “allergic and inflammatory responses.” The specific cytokines (interleukins) that were elevated are also higher in humans who suffer from a wide range of disorders, from arthritis and inflammatory bowel disease, to MS and cancer (see chart)....
The Bt corn that was fed to these mice, MON 810, produced the same Bt-toxin that was found in the blood of women and fetuses... www.responsibletechnology.org... or real-agenda.com...
A joint experiment by Russia�s National Association for Gene Security and the Institute of Ecological and Evolutional Problems has revealed that hamsters fed genetically modified (GM) foods produce grandchildren that are unable to produce fourth generation offspring.
Scientist Alexei Surov described the experiment, in which they monitored the behavior, weight gain and birthrate of several groups of hamsters. Upon birth of the second generation they noted slower rates of growth and sexual maturity. The next generation was unable to produce www.unitypublishing.com...