Aboriginals: Their Flying Shiny Eggs and Moon-Man tales.

Yep, well that's all well and good, all, but I've seen one of those shiny eggs myself. I was with my kids so there were four of us in total looking at the same shiny egg flying right over our apartment building where we were watching an unusual flashing light in the sky that was not normally there. That shiny egg kinda took our breath away, kinda dropped our jaws. Kinda, as you might imagine.

Perhaps your friend has no better grasp of these things than most folks and it seems a bit presumptuous of him/her to speak for all of his people.

To say that The Aboriginal stories "could be in reality Alien abductions" is incredible naive and short-sighted.
Because this would imply that we talk about two different things and one of them would be "interpreted wrong", which is very silly.

I am one of the people who sees those things as being the same thing, the only difference being the interpretation. The spiritual interpretation, or what the Aborigines experience or the "Alien abduction theory"...its the same thing.

This even goes so far as asking whether "it's real" is becoming irrelevant - because *as an experience* it has its own validity/reality even if those things might not happen "in the physical world". But this doesn't make them less important or significant by a long shot.

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So it's hard to make sense of your reply exactly but are you saying that you think the stories are fictional and not related to aliens or ufo's of any nature?

I just want to be clear on what your saying


Slightly off-topic but to do with Australia, i watched a recent doco on Au TV - SBS titled:

My Mum Talks To Aliens

Mary Rodwell is Australia’s leading authority on extraterrestrial phenomena, her son Chris Rodwell is a vet, a man of science and self-confessed alien skeptic – their relationship has reached a critical point and something has to give.
> Full Synopsis

There has always been UFO activity in Australia reported over many years, if the UFO phenomena is real and had been here as well as everywhere else over the globe for many thousands of years it could have also been witnessed by indegenious tribes.

amazing read, star and flag... they do exist

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IF you have an Open mind a real open mind, think about the activitiy after each shuttle launch, and payload drops in space what they call space junk- videos removed from the internet, some parts of nasa tv shut-down, and they end the space program ?????????

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Starred and Flagged !!

This thread has been different, refreshing and thought provoking ! It is OPs such as yours and replies such as the ones that follow that make me proud to be part of this great community ! Intelligent and instructive !!!

I do not know much about Oz and even less about it's folklore, lore and myths. Aboriginal stories such as the ones highlighted here remind me of our native's amazing stories. The mysteries and profound ancient knowledge are excellent sources of speculation and is only clearly understood by those who have lived it, from generation to generation. But we are fortunate to get a glimpse of it and, at times, dots are possible to connect.

Thank you for a fantastic thread !!!

not everything is shaman and it's the chicken or the egg, imo.

'___', majic mush, cactus, hemp, how can anyone even begin to judge or claim?


doesn't sound like recent (2000yrs) to me.

they go back big time.

here, mods you can delete if you want.



www.riffworld.com...

sounds a little "doorsy" as in apocalypse now.


there is no clear time line only that we know they go back way farther than we know.




eta; dbbl link sorry

This statement is very well thought laid out and, I agree that most people sway towards believing in something Without Question, because it seems Mysterious or Ancient, thus creating the Illusion that it must be the Truth.
This is not the case, people forget far too quickly and repeat the same mistakes century after century.

And it is also correct that the Person/Tribesman in charge has the Final Say in what will be set in stone as truth as has been seen in many many many Religions. Nothing ever stays the same. People have differing opinions on what is Truth and how they see it. No one agree's on anything, which can be seen in places such as ATS.
Thus is Human Nature.

This is so basic, it's been taught in grade school. You speak something to another, whispering it so only two hear it, then by the time the message goes full circle around 40 kids or so, the Original Message has been totally skewed, names changed, replaced or left out all together. As much as we'd all love to believe it's 100% Accurate and Authentic, candy coated and all, it never could be. And without Objectivity, we all simply become part of the Sheeple herd with the Mentality of following rather than Observing the entire picture.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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Well the Bible influenced Western society. But western society didn't influence what's been written in there since before western society existed. If anything, the west has added to it, and the countless dark ages myths created from it, all no older than the dark ages themselves, are clearly made up.

Even when comparing to thousands year old civilizations, it's essentially the same themes and truths

But let's go deeper. What makes them different?. Sumer, you can even trace how it itself changed it to its own beliefs!

Most beliefs in the world can be categorized by a few basic traditions. Indoeuropean, Classic Atheistic, Abrahamic, and of course, local tradition (African, aboriginal, native american traditions). Every religion in the world can be traced to one or more origins from therein. The stranger part? Even cultures separated by oceans, like the Maya and India, still show derivatives of the same lineage. It sounds crazy, but the Maya are in fact the result of a mixture between Indoeuropean, and local traditions. Did you know that Maya and ancient India both have a very similar myth about warriors holding lotuses with both hands and reclining while in the presence of sea monsters? Mexican tombs even have extremely similar "wheeled animals", even though there was no invention of the wheel in the Americas.

www.shields-research.org...

Inevitably, one has to start tracing influences from them. Classic atheism seen in both Greece, and being the primary reason Buddhism was born, both are linked with a rejection of the indoeuropean tradition. Thus classic atheism and indoeuropean are dynamically linked. Indoeuropean shares many themes from Abrahamic and monotheistic ancient beliefs. This being a world tree, serpents as antagonists, and various other themes. But it's relatively understood that the gods of indoeuropean tradition were very likely ancient kings and queens and priests whom worshiped each themselves. So monotheism and hero worship are the two oldest religions on Earth. One being a worship of something unknown, the other being a worship of a single person whom was known. Over time the hero worshiping generated pantheons of people, much like how Americans borderline worship a pantheon of founding fathers. In fact the hero worship of Americans to their founders could very well be a good look at how the indoeuropean tradition began.

Thus we come to a simple fact. Men have only ever worshiped 3 things. An unseen god, an idol, or a leader. From this derives all myths.

There's plenty of parallels for many other religious texts. This "cultural creation" that often happens in local communities actually triggered Islam to be formed, because they were becoming annoyed and disgusted at the corruption from people's own opinions. Thus they made their own religion, established it, and after Muhammad died, they write it down. "Moe" made them promise not to write it down in his life time.

Similar actions were taken to ensure corruption did not occur elsewhere. Weather it be a small community of monks who learned it verbatim or a bunch of heretics in the middle of no where keeping the texts well stored. If we look at, say, the biblical texts from Syrian heretics, people cut off from the world since around 80 AD or so, their texts are the same written words that monks translated to English several centuries later.

The key here is redundancy. A freaking huge amount of redundancy. Tribals don't have redundancies. They are their own individual units with their own individual beliefs and ways. Always shifting and changing, exchanging and trading beliefs and culture


I don't really see why motive would be out of the question. If at some point one tribe got angry at another, they could have taken their children and changed their own myths to their own or something different and then let them back or keep them, either way, the cultural impact is there. Motives are what drive all things. People simply do things for reasons.



From all this, one can state that politically, people change religion for gain in the indoeuropean tradition as well as the abrahamic tradition. But the problem is, that text is always there, unchanged. Thus these changes barely ever last a few generations before losing popularity and the changes in question being reduced to an offshoot of heretics living in an enclosure somewhere. Tribals have no such things written, thus when a change is made, it's simply accepted, because the man in charge says so and nothing says otherwise.

There;s basically three types of religion in the world that have not changed much. The belief in a single God who destroyed an earlier civilization and saved some of them for his own designs, the belief in a pantheon of gods whom fight each other, and a rejection of these for the design of seeking personal truth and stability. These thre things simply do not change. Local traditions do however.

Thus, coming full circle, it's honestly very likely this story of moon men could very well be from either some overhearing of the 1969 event, or perhaps even the sci fi of the century prior.

We can never know. But to trust it as something that definable happened, well, probably not wise.

This sounds similar to what the Original Unskewed version of what the Ancient Gnostics mention about Sofia after birthing the twins after leaving a place called Pleroma where a type of trial creations could be manifested, much like painting something without it having an effect on anything due to iit's non reality.

She was then being 'tricked' by the Egregore llike entity to make us Believe that We were real and this was really who we all were, but are not. This Entity was jealous of our Power, and thus, trapped us, which is about to end according to this account. The more You Think, the More you Create, however if you Stop Thinking, The Creating Stops also and Being that Wisdom cannot be trapped permanently Non reality will end. Upon death we simply awaken from slumber, or rather, the dream around us that we think is real,simply fades away.

Originally posted by fooks
here is a little more on "dreamtime"

www.fortunecity.com...

The Makara Sisters This all happened at dreamtime, which was a different time. Before us was a dreamtime when time was different, and earth was different. There was a nothing, and then there was a something born from the nothing, and this was Numbakulla. Numbakulla was like a thought, like a light. Numbakulla moved through the nothing and dreamed. The dreams of Numbakulla grew into souls which he kept with him. Soon Numbakulla had many spirit children inside of him. Numbakulla continued to dream, and these dreams became alive with skin you could touch. These dream bodies were called tjurunga, they did not yet have souls. Numbakulla hid the tjurunga in caves across the world. One day Numbakulla placed a spirit child into a tjurunga and an achilpa was born. Soon he had made many Achilpa and they lived and thought and dreamed in caves and in valleys all over the world.

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During searching especially for information from the todays Aboriginal people regarding their views about the UFO/ET phenomenon I stumbled on this interview with Bill Chalker. I just downloaded both parts and go listen to them now.
Because I thought it could also be interesting for the members who posted in this thread I provide the links to it here.

Part 1.

We kick things off with the usual bio/background on Bill Chalker and find out how he got interested in the UFO phenomenon. We begin our investigation of Australian Ufology by first finding out about the history of the phenomenon Down Under. He tells us about a key case from 1868 in Australia which resembled a contactee-type event and another key case from 1927 which resembled "an early version of the Mothman prophecy." We also talk about some of the Aboriginal history related to UFOs.

We compare and contrast the evolution of the UFO phenomenon in Australia with its American counterpart. This includes some fascinating perspective on how the UFO subject was viewed by the Australian media and public during the early years of the "modern UFO era." Bill tells us about the first big national UFO flap in Victoria, Australia in 1954. We find out if there has been any change in description of UFOs, as has seemed to be the case here in America.

topics discussed:
• The history of the UFO phenomenon in Australia
• Aboriginal times to key pre-1947 cases to noteworthy sightings and the UFO boom of the 1950's
• The explosion in abduction research of the 1990's and onward
• Key cases like the 1954 "Sea Fury Incident"
• The Father Gill case
• The Mundrabilla case of 1988
• His forensic investigation into an alleged abduction that spawned the book "Hair of the Alien"

Bill Chalker (Part 1) (1 Hour, 15 Minutes)

binnallofamerica.com...

Part 2

We begin the second half by examining another aspect of Australian Ufology: the history of organized UFO studies Down Under, including the fascinating story of Edgar Jarrold, the "father of Australian Ufology." Looking at the situation in America, where serious minded scientists at first supported UFO studies and then, following the Condon Report, backed away, we find out how closely that situation was mirrored in Australia. This leads to Bill telling us about how he was granted direct access to the Australian UFO files in 1982 and discovered nuclear physicist Harry Turner, who played a pivotal role in clandestine military investigations into UFOs. Bill shares a stunning story of how friction between US Air Force officials and Donald Keyhoe resulted in the derailing of the first official Australian investigation into UFOs during the mid-1950's.

Jumping back to organized UFO studies, we get Bill's opinion on the state of Ufology in Australia today. Bill explains how the situation has changed, as far as organized UFO groups, in Australia since the inception of Ufology there in the 1950's and '60's. He talks about attempts to create a national network of UFO groups in Australia and some of the roadblocks that arose that made such an enterprise difficult.

Getting a little bit wild, we find out what Bill knows about the longstanding rumours of an alien base at Mt. Zeil and/or the Pine Gap facility in Australia.
Following that, we look at the next big pillar of influence on Ufology in Australia: the media. Bill tells us about how the media coverage of the UFO phenomenon has changed over the years in Australia. Bill details his observation that there is a "dumbing down" process at work and not engaging the substantial nature of the phenomenon. He talks about some of his experiences working with the media in Australia. We then find out how extensive the paranormal media is in Australia as compared to in the US.

Tackling the last puzzle piece in the big picture of Australian Ufology, we discuss the perspective of the everyday public with regards to the UFO phenomenon. Bill details some interesting poll numbers that have surfaced in Australia with regards to belief in UFOs. Scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel, we discuss UFO skeptics, creatures that sadly exist in Australia as well.

topics discussed:
• we cover the history of Australian UFO studies from both a civilian and government perspective
• the fascinating story of Edgar Jarrold
• Bill's examination of the official Australian UFO files
• the media's coverage of the UFO phenomenon in Australia
• how the general public feels about Unidentified Flying Objects in the land Down Under
• the world of Chinese Ufology
• All that and, of course, tons and tons more

Part 2 (1 Hour, 25 Minutes)

binnallofamerica.com...

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don't think so.

sorry, a culture, based on oral tradition will be more accurate than modern culture that is based on cultural BS.

i will go with my theory rather than yours.

you would get a slap if you got it wrong around the campfire and no slap tweeting from math class.


and how many people here know what the heck aborigine music sound like anyway?

just a bunch of armchair anthropologists, ya you! lol!

don't make me get banned, god, there are so many experts here or should i say monks or sherlocks and dick tracy's.

re creating a timeless world to fit the mainstream timeline.

None of it matters to me because none of this farce is real. It's interesting just how many willfight to believe in something that has absolutely no substance though, don't ya think. As for the slapping, sorry not into that kind of thing honey i'll pass.

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Originally posted by awareness10
This sounds similar to what the Original Unskewed version of what the Ancient Gnostics mention about Sofia after birthing the twins after leaving a place called Pleroma where a type of trial creations could be manifested, much like painting something without it having an effect on anything due to iit's non reality.

She was then being 'tricked' by the Egregore llike entity to make us Believe that We were real and this was really who we all were, but are not. This Entity was jealous of our Power, and thus, trapped us, which is about to end according to this account. The more You Think, the More you Create, however if you Stop Thinking, The Creating Stops also and Being that Wisdom cannot be trapped permanently Non reality will end. Upon death we simply awaken from slumber, or rather, the dream around us that we think is real,simply fades away.

Originally posted by fooks
here is a little more on "dreamtime"

www.fortunecity.com...

The Makara Sisters This all happened at dreamtime, which was a different time. Before us was a dreamtime when time was different, and earth was different. There was a nothing, and then there was a something born from the nothing, and this was Numbakulla. Numbakulla was like a thought, like a light. Numbakulla moved through the nothing and dreamed. The dreams of Numbakulla grew into souls which he kept with him. Soon Numbakulla had many spirit children inside of him. Numbakulla continued to dream, and these dreams became alive with skin you could touch. These dream bodies were called tjurunga, they did not yet have souls. Numbakulla hid the tjurunga in caves across the world. One day Numbakulla placed a spirit child into a tjurunga and an achilpa was born. Soon he had made many Achilpa and they lived and thought and dreamed in caves and in valleys all over the world.

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think of what is said, how in the world can we even translate this?

this is way beyond a tech civilization like ours.

sounds very hindu to me.

or shiva or whoever.

we can't discount anything from a people we know has been around for at least 30k yrs in 1 place.

over and out, sorry.

opens my eyes, i've hardly ever thought about our native americans relationships with aliens. Not that it's something relatively odd, but i hardly relate any history directly with E.Ts when i am thinking of that sprt of thing

Great well thought out and written thread.

I Grew up around many Aboriginies, and actually to this day I'm very suprised that most of the people i met have never actually met one, When i was a kid i thought it was normal part of life.

Here is my two cents from learning these Rainbow Python, and Kanagaroo Tail stories from young.

These stories are just dream time stories for entertainment and teaching purposes, not accurate accounts.

If Aliens do exist well they obviously would have contacted Aboriginal people aswell, they dont have the tech to travel across the galaxy but not enough fuel to stop into Aus.

Just because someone is Aboriginal doesnt mean they arent bat sh*t crazy like a any white person can be and hasnt dreamt up or made these stories up.

If Aliens had a massive influence in Aboriginal culture they would of developed something like Egyptians, Mayans, Greeks. But they have nothing to show for their old culture besides some rock paintings and stories.

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to me it seems more like the culture goes back far enough to represent a nonmonolithic intervention. some of their dreams are mindane myth. some deal nwith historic events. the captain cook dreams are interesting.

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Those entities would be instantly recognisable to anyone familiar with the effects of dimethyltryptamine, which is abundant in heaps of australian flora.

Love this thread! Thank you! Now for my questions:

Do the Australian Aboriginies have a traditon that they were given knowledge? Such as taught the way of sewing, farming, writing,building?Also do the yhave stories of the Flood? And is it possible that Australia's UFO phenomena is becasue of the Aboriginies? Their ongoing relationship with the sky people? Anyone?

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Fantastic OP.

I have recently rued the damage our ancestors have done to the people from this land. What you have just showed me is incredible and saddens me in the same breath. White man, as he has done all over the world, has destroyed another beautiful first culture. I cant help but feel ashamed.

Great thread.

I believe the Aboriginals are one of the few pure people left on Earth, that have not been poisoned by their leaders, or other outside influences, such as the AIDS Epidemic in Africa.

The way these people think, the way they conduct themselves, would be the way of the world if we weren't intentionally steered in the wrong direction by our leaders.