The Unmitigated Gall! Democrats to introduce Gun Control legislation tomorrow!

And then there was this.

www.foxnews.com...

ATF Florida Gun Probe Earns Congressional Scrutiny in Wake of 'Fast and Furious'

By Judson Berger

Published July 14, 2011

| FoxNews.com

Several lawmakers are questioning the Obama administration about whether the controversial "Fast and Furious" gunrunning probe may have had a cousin in Florida that resulted in guns being trafficked to Central America.

Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Fla., penned a letter Tuesday to Attorney General Eric Holder and ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson inquiring about a program known as "Operation Castaway." Other top lawmakers are also starting to look into it, though ATF claims the program was above board and not similar to Operation Fast and Furious at all.


The Justice Department says Castaway was an anti-gun trafficking operation handled by an ATF division in Florida. It resulted last year in a slew of convictions for defendants the department claimed provided firearms linked to violent crimes around the world. But in light of questions surrounding the Fast and Furious probe out of ATF's Phoenix division, Bilirakis questioned whether Castaway bore the same suspicious hallmarks.

Don't need to read a bill or know what's in it, just the fact that a democrat is proposing a bill that has anything to do with guns or ammo is enough to know it will be bad for gun owners.

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
Don't need to read a bill or know what's in it, just the fact that a democrat is proposing a bill that has anything to do with guns or ammo is enough to know it will be bad for gun owners.

Whaaaaaa? You don't have faith in their expertise and knowledge producing fair and equitable legislation we can all live happily under?








These arent completely backwards assclowns with no idea of what they're rambling about here. These are our elected officials. They deserve our complete confidence.

Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by Adyta
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Yeah, Obama supposedly believes everyone has the individual right to bear arms.

Just because you have an individual right, does not mean the government can't constrain the exercise of that right. - Barack Obama

Yeah, a real Constitutional hero, that one is.

Per the Constitution he is exactly correct. If you don't like it that's something you'll have to take up with the people who wrote it.

And for the record the 2nd amendment doesn't say you have the right to bear any and all arms. It was purposefully written to be flexible in that regards depending on how the future Congress's wanted to set laws to it. The basic right is there but not the specifics.

WOW! This is some wild spin here! Its actually very unflexible and was written in such a way as to make it hard to deprive the rights of the people......while they were awake and watching anyway.

There are no specifics becouse specifics are an abridgment. It is written in such away that any abridgment must challenge the predicate...."shall not be infringe". Its very hard to get around language like that when the people are on gaurd.

Only the unregulated mind of oppressors see a lack of "specifics" as a gateway to deprive rights.

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
Don't need to read a bill or know what's in it, just the fact that a democrat is proposing a bill that has anything to do with guns or ammo is enough to know it will be bad for gun owners.

Oh yea. Its like a lion.....if its walking... its hunting.

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I particularly liked the heat seeking bullets for deer hunting. You have to wonder how these people are able to function during the day. Someone must tell them not to look up when it rains so they don't drown.

The is exactly what Project Gun Runner and Project Fast and Furious was all about.

Problem:
Create the problem by selling US Guns to the Mexican Drug Cartels through US Government operations, if the can’t afford such large gun purchases, that’s OK, just give them some TARP funds so they can.

Reaction :
Since the Zeta’s a CIA,DEA trained paramilitary gang tried to take over the Drug Trade. Drug Cartels will use the weapons at home and inside the US. The citizens of the US won’t believe that the Executive Branch is behind this all along. So, The Reaction of the US is “We have to do something about all of these Guns flowing into Mexico” Gun violence is out of control.

Solution:
Gun control in the United States.

Let us just ignore the real solution to this problem, Prison for Eric Holder and Barrack Obama.

Obama was going to keep Gun control issue to his second term, but with the exposure of Project Gun Runner and Project Fast and Furious, the Administration is out of time. Must get Gun control before the Sheeple wake up and realize that it was Eric Holder who used TARP funds given to Drug Cartels to purchase Weapons supplied by the US Justice Department.

Unbelievable…

In the True United States Eric Holder would be handcuffed and given the PERP Walk.


If this isn’t a wake up call nothing is. The US Government is so out of control it just boggles the mind. What’s going to happen…Nothing

Our Congress will just cover this crime up. You could not count how many people have been murdered as a result of the crimes Eric Holder and Barrack Obama have committed, and NOTHING will happen.

Our Country is in the Hands of Criminals and the FBI, ATF and the everyday walk the beat Policeman will still enforce their orders.

Welcome to Nazi America.

Originally posted by kro32
How can you be outraged when you don't even know what they are going to propose in the legislation?

Kinda jumping the gun aren't you?

It will probably be meaningless stuff since Obama hasn't been to keen on going to battle over this topic. He's being pressured at the moment so has to do something. I'd expect it to be very minor like deeper background checks or something irrelevant like that.

It's just a political show.

How can someone be outraged ?.... The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed ! There is no "Gray "area here. The government has no right to regulate firearms in any way !!

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OMG! Wow, just wow. I'm speechless. Unbelievable ignorance. And these people are suppose to represent us.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Are you unfamiliar with the idea that just because you have the right to speech, the government can constrain your right to scream fire in a crowded theater.

Can you explain what exactly is 'unConstitutional" about the idea of individual rights being constrained by the government?

Screaming fire in a crowded theater.....unless there is a fire....

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Are you unfamiliar with the idea that just because you have the right to speech, the government can constrain your right to scream fire in a crowded theater.

That's not true.

Any one of us can shout "fire" in a theater.

The crime is not the use of the word.

The crime is inciting panic or endangerment.

This example of a limiting of the 1st Amendment for the public good is flawed.

I think there are more important and dire issues that need to be addressed than gun control.

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Are you unfamiliar with the idea that just because you have the right to speech, the government can constrain your right to scream fire in a crowded theater.

Can you explain what exactly is 'unConstitutional" about the idea of individual rights being constrained by the government?

Screaming fire in a crowded theater.....unless there is a fire....

You can scream "fire"!
You are just held responsible for your actions.
If you scream fire and nobodyreacts no crime has been comitted; if there is a fire , you might be considered a hero!
if people are trampled you areheld responsible for injuries and deaths and the loss of revenue for the theatre.

Just like I can own a high powered rifle ( or powerful high performance car,motorcycle or bulldozer) but am held responsible for my actions with such a piece of equipment. "Individual adult responsibility" is the principal we are supposed to "operate under."(poor grammar).

Added: Only children younger than 18 (21?) are not responsible for their choices (including"contracts")

"pistol grips and barrel shrouds"
"what's a "barrel shroud" congresswoman?"
" I don't know"...
"KEYBOARD COFFEE SPEW!"

"incendiary device in the tip "
"that's a heat seeking bullet"
OMG! You Farkin' idiot.

Step away from the legislative pen and nobody gets hurt. These bozo's clearly have no business regulating something they have such little understanding"of"...

Originally posted by 46ACE
These bozo's clearly have no business regulating something they have such little understanding"of"...

That's who always writes the legislation.

People who have no experience or knowledge of a thing always want to regulate or ban the thing.

Exactly what shouldn't happen but it is always what does happen.

I have been receiving emails from the NRA about this over the past week. I have yet to read them since I was out in the boondocks x 10, for the last few days but I will scour them over and see if there is anything I can add.

This is certainly something I have seen coming, as have many of you here. I'm sure some of you may already do this, but we need to make our voices heard in a different outlet. Time to inundate our local congressmen w/ emails and letters stating the obvious, we hear it, we see it, and this is certainly the straw that will break the camels back.

Originally posted by kro32
If you know history at all you will know that the founders, Hamilton and those who believed as he did, did not even want the Bill of Rights added to the Constitution. [/QUOTE]

"HAMILTON" Huh?
WASN'T HE A "BANKER"?

In the new government under President George Washington, he was appointed the Secretary of the Treasury.[6] An admirer of British political systems, Hamilton was a nationalist who emphasized strong central government and successfully argued that the implied powers of the Constitution could be used to fund the national debt, assume state debts, and create the government-owned Bank of the United States. These programs were funded primarily by a tariff on imports and a highly controversial excise tax on whiskey.

Hamilton hmmm: another:"implied powers of the Constitution" guy
fund national debts;assume state debts
create govt owned bank
excise tax on whiskey
Well we see the results of Hamilton's thinking today don' t we? As we edge towards the precipice of economic collapse and govt "bankruptcy"

Screw Hamilton: I'll stand beside Thomas Jefferson any day.

Originally posted by kro32




They believed the Constitution was fine as written and it was Jefferson and his supporters who added it in. Hamilton only agreed in order to gain their support for the Constitution so it almost wasn't added meaning they really didn't put much weight into it.

Also there was little trust of the general populace which is why you don't see direct elections of the President. Hamilton and his boys thought people too stupid to make the right decision hence the electoral vote. To imagine these guys would have wanted people to have every weapon available when they don't even trust them to vote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

But what you or I believe is irrelevant since it's the Supreme Court that ultimately decides what they meant and so far your on the losing side of that arguement.

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Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
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I particularly liked the heat seeking bullets for deer hunting. You have to wonder how these people are able to function during the day. Someone must tell them not to look up when it rains so they don't drown.

They may know this is a lie but hope folks fall for it. At least the folks feeding the info to the talking heads.

At any rate if this is all they know about it, first thank God they cant see how stupid they look and second watch anything they say as being unfactual....about anything. Good chance thats true.

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I think Hamilton may be getting a bad rap here. Study his writings in the Federalist Papers on taxation around 35#. He said much there and elsewhere that indicated that he did NOT like the engish model of anything. He also said much to defend militas as a grass roots organization. If you like I can post some of his words.

Originally posted by brokedown
Problem , Reaction, Solution.

Even when the Administration has been caught “red-handed” they still have plans to employee this tactic.

What scares me is the good chance they have to actually employ this EVEN THOUGH they were caught red handed! GET INFORMED, AMERICA!