Interesting Plot for Prometheus, the Alien prequel (Spoiler Alert!!!!)

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Indeed. His artistic vision is riddled with sexual imagery. The orginal script for alien had to be rewritten a few times, as did the model of the alien as it's original design was too sexual.

If you watch the film again, you can still see it has a lot of sexual content (the android shoving the rolled up magazine down ripley's throat etc), the facehugger etc.

Also the ending was changed too... The alien originally killed ALL the crew including Ripley and was going to mimic her voice and fly back to earth. Also all the characters were designed with different roles - Ripley a man, Dallas a girl etc.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Well even if it is a prequel I saw a few scenes that looked stripped from the first movie.. How pathetic would it be if it was part prequel part remake? That would be a new low. I noticed some CG fx so I'm saying it will be CG.

reply to post by enament


I think he taps into something or It taps into him, similar to the nightmarish experiences that Lovecraft had that gave birth to the Cthulhu Mythos.

I don't know if I would call the horrific muse a dark archetype in the abyss of the human collective unconscious or something even more alien.

Regardless of the origins, Giger and Lovecraft have shaped not just horror and science fiction, their works have functioned like viral memes infecting the lives and minds of countless humans around the world as if some kind of horrific plague from beyond the threshold of our cosmos.

The process of delving into the black abyss is to me the keenest form of fascination...

H.P. Lovecraft

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Indeed. Only very recently I re-read at the mountains of madness. I was overwhelmed. Also Herbert West:Reanimator too.....

Amazing.

R. Scott is one of my all-time favorite directors... The first Alien movie is a masterpiece, and part of the reason is he kept the story simple and scary...

Even though he is probably one of the most powerful and influential directors making movies out of Hollywood right now, he is still beholden to the mostly incompetent studio executives...

Also, imo, he has been making movies for quite some time and maybe that compels him to incorporate more "social commentary" into his story-telling...

The "aliens as god" theme is popular right now and he may be being swayed by the studio to be more poignant...

Regardless, he knows what he is doing and sci-fi is in his blood... I am confident he will make an amazing prequel to a movie that made him the great director he is today...

Sounds awesome, I'd actually forgotten about this.

Also, how will it tie into the AVP franchise? Well, apparently they come before Prometheus on the timeline. Not sure if the first two Predator movies and the "reboot" (supposedly) Predators comes before AVP though but I can't imagine it not being the case.

(I say reboot in quotation marks because Predators made reference to the original yet the movie industry still claimed it was a reboot)

There's an issue with making 'franchise' worlds. It usually ends up splintered and confusing, almost like they're parallel universes.

Predators made contact with early human civilizations such as the Ancient Egyptians, the Khmer Empire, and Aztecs, as well as a fictitious culture inhabiting what is now modern day Bouvetøya.[9] Upon arriving on Earth, the Predators were worshipped as gods by humans, and they taught many of the civilizations how to build pyramids (an explanation as to why many of these different ancient societies had distinctly similar cultures and architecture), but in return expected sacrifices of humans for use as hosts for huntable Aliens. The Predators returned to Bouvetøya every century to consummate the bargain, until at one point in the ritual, the Aliens spread out of control, resulting in the Predators detonating a bomb that obliterated the entire civilization.[9] Relations with humans and the Predators deteriorated from that time on; the Predators then viewed humans as little more than another quarry to hunt.

So in the Alien vs. Predator universe, the Predators were an influence to human civilization, and they created the Aliens as the ultimate prey to hunt.

But I say Kudos to going back to original foreshadowing and using the bubble gum on the fireplace mantle. When I was a child watching Alien, the space jockey scene was always my favorite, as it was mysterious and left my imagination wandering.

The origin of the jockey creature was not explored in the film, but Scott later theorized that it might have been the ship's pilot, and that the ship might have been a weapons carrier capable of dropping Alien eggs onto a planet so that the Aliens could use the local lifeforms as hosts.[23] In early versions of the script the eggs were to be located in a separate pyramid structure which would be found later by the Nostromo crew and would contain statues and hieroglyphs depicting the Alien reproductive cycle, offering a contrast of the human, Alien, and space jockey cultures.[17] Cobb, Foss, and Giger each created concept artwork for these sequences, but they were eventually discarded due to budgetary concerns and the need to trim the length of the film.[16] Instead the egg chamber was set inside the derelict ship and was filmed on the same set as the space jockey scene; the entire disc piece supporting the jockey and its chair were removed and the set was redressed to create the egg chamber.[16].[44][49]

reply to post by curious7


Its likely that it won't address Predator and the pyramid material will probably be retconned.

Scott orginally intended for the crew of the Nostromo to find the Xenomorph eggs inside a massive pyramid on Acheron, not on the derelict ship. Budget constraints halted that idea and they went with the eggs on the ship.

I fully expect the pyramids to return in Prometheus,

The Pyramid

The pyramid is ancient, primitive and clearly of a different design to the derelict. We are dealing with a different alien here: the dead ship appears to be visitors from elsewhere, the pyramid seems indigenous. Walking around it they find no entrance., any entrance must have been buried in the shifting sands of time. So Kane uses his climbing gear to crawl to the top of the monolith. where he finds an open shaft going straight down.

alienexplorations.blogspot.com...

Though based on the original script and Scott poking fun, we may find out that Acheron was the Predator homeworld and the Space Jockeys caused their extinction, thus ending any chance of Predators in a colonial era based film.

One film I do expect to be alluded to though is Avatar. I can't imagine Scott not having some references to Avatar in Prometheus, even though Cameron has said Avatar isn't exactly in the same universe as Aliens. Another is Blade Runner and Scott himself said Alien and Blade Runner are in the same universe, linking replicants with the synthetics. Cameron's Hyperdyne Systems in Aliens raises even more amusing connections. Imagine an Arnold synthetic in an Alien film.

I hope that the film does not get bogged down with 'tie in's' and 'spin-off's' from yesteryear. Generally, I have found all of the Alien and Predator franchise films to be very sub-standard, albeit with interesting back stories, but all seemed to have missed the mark. If this film goes back to the basics of the original concept, or indeed becomes very much a 99% stand alone piece, then I think that we will be in for a treat. The possibilities of studio intrusion and reluctance to upset the sensibilities of 'middle America' would be a bitter blow for a film that would have many people like Erich von Däniken and Graham Hancock bubbling in anticipation.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Was it confirmed that Giger is working on the designs? I know he was rumored since he created the original, including the space jockies. If so then I know it will be worth the watch.

If so, then this is a good indication. Found a Giger Set photo from the film.

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Sounds like the Annunaki to me.

reply to post by amaster


Yep, he's is working on the sets and all of the new creatures, whatever they may be, in the film.

This is the most heavily involved he has been since the first Alien film, which is great. I hoping for more designs originating from Giger's Necronomicon.

Originally posted by Vanishr
Sounds like the Annunaki to me.

The Space Jockey's are more like the brood or spawn of Tiamat and Absu or they are Tiamat and Absu.

The Annuna (correct name for the Sumerian gods ) are human enough to have hybrids, like Gilgamesh.

The Predators in AvP were presented as being like the Annuna though, check out the link.

AvP: Thats Where Aliens Come From!
www.hulu.com...

reply to post by Extreme Pilgrim


I hope the studios don't mess with the story because I'm already disappointed in the US version of Salt and the rumour that At The Mountains Of Madness was causing problems because the studio didn't think (American) audiences would like the ending.

Remember the ending of Army Of Darkness being changed to a "happier" one because for some reason movies have to dumb down for the US mainstream audiences? Better not happen again with Prometheus.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Damn thats a good point, the predators do kind of sound like the annunaki in the sense of them suppsoedly being like 3x the size of a human, & having extremely advanced technology in comparison to humans, Hmm thats a strange thought

reply to post by enament


Yeah the CGI was weak.. but the star wars prequels were a complete debacle.. Nothing made sense at all.
The ultimate review and explanation (warning NSFW language)


Sorry for going off topic OP.. I may need to start an anti CGI thread in BTS.

reply to post by coastlinekid


Yeah.. I hope he makes it great. I wish he would go back to animatronics. I don't know why more directors don't realize that cgi can cheese up what would be an otherwise perfect movie.

We already know he is compromising this film with 3d unless he has changed his mind. In order for a movie to be made 3d it has to be very bright on set which is the antithesis to these movies. He will have to darken them digitally later.

R. Scott made Blade Runner which is one of my all time favorite movies and hands down the greatest sci fi movie of all time (i'm talking the final directors cut).

reply to post by AMANNAMEDQUEST


I dont think they (predators) created aliens they just collected them from another planet. I'm not sure if the Jockey's created them or did the same, collecting them and then dropping them like bombs on other planets they warred with.

reply to post by Extreme Pilgrim


You can't say that about the first Alien movie? It was top notch.

reply to post by VicDiaz89


Definatly a prequal, been hearing about this one for a few years now.
The ship at the start of alien is the "God" species' ship.
There was at some point talks of James Cameron directing, don't know if it's still the case.