Elaborate hoax or a sign from space The crop circle phenomena continues.

Originally posted by Nikola014
But if you ask me,this look like something a human couldn't do

Just because you don't know how to do it, doesn't mean that nobody else knows how to do it either.

If humans can figure out how to put 100 million transistors on some melted sand the size of a postage stamp, I don't see why they can't flatten some crops with a plank on a rope.

And the things that supposedly make a circle "genuine" are suggested in the circlemakers guide:
www.circlemakers.org...

Genuineness
A formation will be deemed genuine if:

1. you are not caught making it.

2. the pattern represents a shape which leading cerealogists could regard as of symbolic importance, and, therefore, useful on the proselyting lecture circuit, e.g. mandalas, Atlantean script, etc.

Any particular formation might develop its own individual folklore if:

1. it is made in a field which cerealogists later claim to have been watching.

2. light phenomena is associated with it.

3. audio phenomena is associated with it, especially in conjunction with 'd'.

4. mysterious substances are found in it - particularly if these substances are subjected to scientific analysis and found to be, 'not of this earth'.

Yeah, just sprinkle some iron filings or other stuff at the site and people will go nuts.

www.circlemakers.org...

With such an array of scientific tools, cerealogists welcome any opportunity to use them in the field. Particularly popular are strange substances, usually found in the centre of the circles - white goo, for instance, or dew-rusted iron filings (meteoric dust)... or anything glowing or luminous - will quickly attract a flurry of interest.

These guys know how to press your buttons!

The circlemakers also rightfully make fun of the cerealogists' pseudoscience that tries to pass for science:

Scientific analysis
In their attempts to create a universal acceptance of the crop circles' paranormal origins, leading cerealogists often pretend a relationship with orthodox science. Such phrases as "we are working closely with scientists" or, "we are awaiting the results of analysis" are commonly used in press releases, for instance, or on the lecture circuit. As well as the possibility that this might fool gullible, provincial journalists who aren't particularly bothered if they parrot rubbish to their readership, this provides a certain security amongst the rank & file researchers, who, when pressed, will cite the need for only one circle to be proved to be 'of unknown origin', thereby justifying their pursuance of the phenomenon - an apparently heroic search for the elusive, hypothetical, white crow. In regard to this, Rupert Sheldrake can be forgiven for his sincere, fleeting, interest in the subject.

The science is such a joke it's unbelievable:

The September issue of the Journal for Scientific Exploration included the CCCS's latest method of determining 'hoaxed' from 'genuine' circles: "Take two cereal heads from the centre of the formation and another two well outside (100 metres) within the same field. Lay them on the bonnet of your car and think 'AURA' and dowse them. If there is a difference between the two heads, we are dealing with a genuine formation. (Chairman Michael Green, CCCS Procedures for the 1995 Season - as reported by Dr W C Levengood). All of these methods of detection, and myriad others too ridiculous to mention, provide us with evidence of something or another.

The others are too ridiculous to mention? So is that one!

I recommend reading the whole circlemaker's guide. It's pretty educational.

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All I have to ask is...

How come the intricacy of crop circles has increased at the same rate as GPS technology?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Chadwickus
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All I have to ask is...

How come the intricacy of crop circles has increased at the same rate as GPS technology?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Or it's because the 2012 is close?

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Then tell me,how much time does it take to create a crop circle at the night?And how no one noticed them?

Originally posted by Nikola014
Then tell me,how much time does it take to create a crop circle at the night?

I don't know I never asked them.. but I have watched demos and they do it very fast with the right team

And how no one noticed them?

Because no one is looking for them. Crop circles are big business and they ALL want to keep the mystery alive. If someone was REALLY looking they would set up high tech cameras in the hots spots. No one is doing that.

Originally posted by Nikola014
Or it's because the 2012 is close?

Nope nothing to do with 2012 being close What do you think will happen in 2012 anyway?

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Don't know,but im expecting something really big

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Nikola014
Then tell me,how much time does it take to create a crop circle at the night?

I don't know I never asked them.. but I have watched demos and they do it very fast with the right team

And how no one noticed them?

Because no one is looking for them. Crop circles are big business and they ALL want to keep the mystery alive. If someone was REALLY looking they would set up high tech cameras in the hots spots. No one is doing that.

I'm asking because,when my friends and i were trying to make a simple crop circle at the night,we finish it for like eight hours...

Originally posted by Nikola014
I'm asking because,when my friends and i were trying to make a simple crop circle at the night,we finish it for like eight hours...

Not bad for a first one... And the original ones were just simple circles on the ground. They got better as the years went on and they mastered the skills. You don't become an expert overnight

The funny thing is that when there is a sloppy circle found, the Alien believers will say THOSE are man made because they are not perfect... while the good ones MUST be Alien because man could never do anything like that.

No the bad ones are merely beginners

This, like all things in society, has long since been split into divisible camps of "Us and Them" where we are meant to occupy ourselves and our attention by pointing fingers and arguing with each other.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Nikola014
I'm asking because,when my friends and i were trying to make a simple crop circle at the night,we finish it for like eight hours...

Not bad for a first one... And the original ones were just simple circles on the ground. They got better as the years went on and they mastered the skills. You don't become an expert overnight

The funny thing is that when there is a sloppy circle found, the Alien believers will say THOSE are man made because they are not perfect... while the good ones MUST be Alien because man could never do anything like that.

No the bad ones are merely beginners

I've been learning from the best .
I'm not saying that the crop circles are Alien made,im only saying that we don't know who makes them..

Originally posted by Nikola014
,im only saying that we don't know who makes them..

How about this huge one in the Desert?



Wonder who made that one

Originally posted by dethduck
This, like all things in society, has long since been split into divisible camps of "Us and Them" where we are meant to occupy ourselves and our attention by pointing fingers and arguing with each other.

Well its no problem really... I'm right and your wrong. Now all you need to do is agree that I am right and everything will be fine

Besides it's a slow news day on ATS

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Touche'


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This is a topic that's interested me since the 90's mainly due to a number of them being made near where i live in hampshire UK and i've had the chance to wander around a number of them. To me, close up they've always just looked like something people did with a few planks of wood, some surveying equipment and maybe a few torches,

What has always amused me about crop circles is humans have put people into space, built massive particle accelerators, Air buses, oil rigs, etc etc and people claim humans aren't smart or industrious enough to achieve something like a crop circle !

Crop circles have been happening for hundreds if not thousands of years, So either there's a crop circle cult which has been in existence for a lengthy period, or there's a natural explanation, or there's the outer space theory, it's one of these three options.

wow total ignore
serves me right for casting pearls

and asking questions

oh well

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
lol those are obviously fakes
part of the disinfo agenda/cover-up

Fakes? No they are obviously man made crop circles You say 'fakes' meaning what exactly? If an Alien makes one its real? If a paranormal entity makes one its real? But if a human makes one its fake? Seriously?

Well we only have proof of # 3

I believe crop circles are created by planetary elementals of the air called "Sylphs".

Ah so now we have option #4 the Sylphs. Well he again 'believes' but has no proof so we are back to square one. I hear the Sylphs also clean up the chemtrails

Well Sylphs are interesting, especially the dragons...

This one you can even see its head following the viewer





If you want to see my collection of Sylphs (and the other elementals) just drop me a U2U. But that is another story

I heard about "Powers of the Air" as far back as 1970. I saw a female Sylph above West Vancouver in 1972. In 1984 I bought Trevor James Constable's book on infrared photography of Sylphs in which they have amoeba-like heat signatures on the specially prepared photographic plates.

Those would be the 'critters' that Trevor coined the term for... plasma energy life forms that are responsible for, IMO, 80%ish of UFO sightings, Denise Stoner, director of MUFON figures 50%ish. They are actually different from the Sylphs. Just google Plasma Life Forms... even main stream science is looking into those. And they are the reason NASA and the USAF can say "UFO's are no threat to national security" But that wouldn't sit well with most UFO believers

Constable wrote that the USAF as far back as 1960 set up microwave defenses against Sylphs who they blamed for gremlins in aircraft and psychic disturbances against pilots.

In the STS75 tether thread Jim Oberg linked me to a NASA file that showed NASA has been studying 'plasma phenomena' that have been plaguing their spacecraft. Quite an interesting read

In Colorado, high speed low light video cameras show activity above thunderstorms during lightning strikes. Flashes move high into the stratosphere. The rapid movements of electricity and light are called Elfs and Sprites, appropriately they should be called Sylphs

No sprites and elfs are different effects and have been documented. But yes you can spot the plasma 'critters' near thunderstorms. As in the tether case, they are 'feeding' off the storm... just like power lines and nuclear plants attract them because of the energy emitted.

But plasma critters and sylphs are not the same thing Foo fighters of the second world war being curious about our planes... those were critters

"there are more things between heaven and earth..."

True enough... but crop circles are a recent phenomena. We never even heard of the until well past the 47 UFO era and the first ones were simple circles where a saucer was supposed to have landed. It wasn't until much later that we started seeing the ones with patterns and the early ones were simple.

All these authors 'believing' that there were circles like this for hundreds of years are making it up, or misinterpreting data for their book

Show me any image of a crop circle before 1947. We had cameras long before then.


But it won't matter because the believers won't change their mind... no matter what the evidence

Why would ET/Aliens make crop circles???

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thank you for the reply, oh, and please don't consider my snarky 2nd post as directed to you or anyone in particular; have not been well lately and got up on the wrong side of the bed today. i've had exchanges with chad and other members that take 24hrs+ between replies.

lovely dragon there, that said i must point out that my experiences of sylphs is of an occult/astral nature so it's not scientifically verifiable.

i am not a "believer" and have been a conspiracy theorist/conspiratologist [i refuse to use the new PC terms btw] since i was 12.

so we'll just have just have to classify it under "lore".

my argument is basically that it's highly improbable that they are all man-made, given that this is not limited to england, but worldwide.
it is also highly improbable that they were never caught.

pretty spiffy website+being media darlings+ plus smarmy contempt shown to their "victims"= suspicious IMHO
no charges for tresspassing?

re collection i'll u2u you for more details.
as an occultist i'm very well aware of having separate the wheat from the chaff, so i'm looking forward to it as being less chaffy.

cross your fingers though, hopefully i'll be contributing to it, and the site in the near future.

if all goes well.