Dismembered remains of missing NYC boy Leiby Kletzky found

reply to post by bluemirage5




More laws? More restrictions on our freedoms to protect us from ourselves?

From age 7 to 16 I rode my bike about 2 miles to and from school. I want my kids to feel safe in walking the streets and exploring this beautiful countryside. I don't want the schools and governments deciding what is or isn't safe.

It is just sad and appalling that this happens, and even more sad and appalling that anyone thinks the answer is to further restrict the rights and freedoms of the law-abiding citizens and children?

NO WAY I could support what you propose. I could support a public hanging of this offender. Or drawing and quartering him on the very street where he abducted the kid. I could support swift and severe justice for those bastards that would harm a child, but I don't want the government telling me that it isn't safe for a kid to walk home from school in their own neighborhood.

How completely and utterly sad that you are willing to so easily give up and accept a world where it is unsafe to walk along in your own neighborhood, and that you believe the government should legislate us into staying inside with the doors locked and reporting suspicious activity of our neighbors. I am literally ill at the moment.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Yeah, I think having that a law isn't the way to go, its more of a common sense thing. In response to getready, you prolly live in a safer community. The kid in question was wandering for hours, I hear the guy even dragged him to a wedding. The law wouldn't have done much good, as nobody questioned the man walking around with the child. The people that saw him even knew it wasn't his kid, he had 2 children from a previous marriage, and this kid was obviously not one of them.

reply to post by JustinSee


If people would take more personal responsibility, every community would be a safer community. Surely somebody had an opportunity to notice if that kid seemed scared, or flustered, or surely someone was curious as to why this man had a strange kid with him?

This was an unthinkable tragedy, and it could have happened anywhere, and only the sicko criminal is ultimately to blame, but I can't help but to think....what if? What if someone had stepped up and talked to the kid, or the man? What if any kind of distraction would have separated them for a moment and the kid could have wandered on home? And ultimately, what if this guy had been drug into the street by vigilantees and publicly suffered the same fate as his victim? Would that deter the next sicko?

Like the guy in This Thread

man, this almost made me tear..my heart and deepest sympathys g out too the paretns, and above all, the kid. that is something thats just NOT supposed to happen at all. but it does. it does go to show, how screwed up our society is. WHen i was a kid. all of us, our neighbors, knew eachother, and watched out for eachother. its human bonding..thats how you make freinds. theyve all moved out, and now its like, the neighbor might be a canibal for all i know. one was arrested for beating a guy over the head with a pipe a month ago, for trying to steal, he claims a $20 bill he left on his passenger seat. another guy, 2 huoses left, has been in court for not appearing in court, small item drug paraphanelia stuff, ect..he looks like a lazy scuzzy.
Now i know why..when i was a kid ( im 36 now) my mom mostly would never leave me alone in public places. she was protective of me. my father was, till i was about 15. but my mom always made sure, i was holding her hand when shopping or anywhere at all..'
in my lifetime..thier was dhamer, then the guy earlier who locked some 9 year old in his basement, the kid was eating hersefl, this sick guy dismembering the poor kid, i was alive to hear the report 1989 ( i was 14) of ted bundy exection.... back in the 40'
s and 50;s and 60,s it didnt seem so rampant as it is today. yeah, thiers been others, the balck dhalia murder,( she was dismemberd in half, late 1940's) albert fisher 1939...tortured and ate young boys asses more or less, which his leather belt david berkowich aka on of sam* the neioghbors dog was sending him subliminal messages as satan, to kill for his fill of blood*'
you never hear of sickos like this in other countrys!!!! at least that make the news, so where aware of it. theri was that russian guy in 1994, who ate a kids penis, chicklet or something it sounds like, his name..that wa in russia. it makes on wonder..what is it about our culter? society? that makes monsters like this. in albert fishers case, he ate children, because he had gone to singapore, late 1880's and lived a bit...the economy and people were so poor thier, it was common for meat markets to sell homeless peoples meat* people ate people to survive.
all i can say is..my heart and soul goes to that kid in the news and article hear* aside form all ive typed here..rreading news like this, literally, leaves me speechless.

persoanlly, the only conclusion i have, with this guy, is to sentence him and have him legally pushed into a running woodchipper* but rethinking that, would make me no better than him*

reply to post by getreadyalready


I too rode my bike to and from school between the ages of 7 and 16......but that was in the 1960s. It's now 2011 and times have changed! Kids are being abducted and murdered on their way to and from school.

Such legislation is not a restriction of your freedom to protect you from yourself......it's to protect our children. If parents are too lazy to get off the butts to go and collect their young primary school kids then we need to protect those kids.

In all our Australian private schools & camps; no child in primary school is allowed to leave the grounds without a parent or caregiver known to the school; it's the opposite in the public schools.

Yeah it's sad how the world has changed...and we have to change with it. I can't begin to tell you how many kids have gone missing in our country and became cold cases; the numbers must be horrific in the USA. How many more cases do you want to see like this one and so many others before parents wake up......yes, it's common sense to not allow a young child as young as 8 to wander from school or camp alone, but how many common sense parents are out there? Perhaps that flew out the window in the 1980's???

You can't control a whole population but schools and camps CAN protect a child while he/she is in their care and see to it that our kids don't leave the grounds without parental or caregiver supervision all the way home!

reply to post by JustinSee


There is no such thing as a safe community!

The murderer was not the biological father the two kids from a previous marriage. He was childless.

A law where a young primary school kid does'nt leave the school grounds or camp without a parent or known caregiver to the school would had saved the boy. This is 100% sure.

reply to post by MaxBlack

Only a true and thorough investigation will determine the truth and in that regard I would hope that anyone who is concerned with the areas of concern as I am, that they would do whatever they can to get to the bottom of the truth if indeed others are involved, because justice for the young boy can only be had if we have indeed arrested all the guilty parties. Thank you for taking the time to consider these concerns.

Max, those points are very interesting. Thanks for posting them. I hope the police do more investigation as well. In police work, there is always a possibility that a department gets so caught up in the thrill of catching the suspect of a high-profile murder, that they close out the case too quickly. What can seem like an open and shut case sometimes can be just the opposite.

I absolutely agree with you.

Originally posted by Djarums

It's kind of hard to imagine something like this happening in NYC nowadays because the streets are always so busy.

Dangerous assumption... Not just in NYC, but anywhere, anyone who assumes that there aren't very real monsters and predators out there waiting for an opportunity like this would be foolish to say the least.

The world we live in is far separated from the past in a great many ways and few of them are for the better.... How many times were we told as kids, never walk alone, and don't talk to strangers?

The fear was there even back then for good reason.

If there is any good that will come from this horrific tragedy, it will be in a heightened awareness and fear that may help to prevent another tragic event like this involving a child.

NO place is safe, NO one can be trusted, to assume otherwise can have unimaginable consequences.

God bless the soul of this young lamb, and his family who must endure now, a life of torment and agony over their decisions.

Sad, horrible world we live in, but real good can come from this, and this Child's sacrifice need not be in vain.

reply to post by NightGypsy


Whats not so open and shut about this case? The little boy's feet were found in Levi Aron's freezer....along with the bloodied chopping boards and knives; he admitted to hiding place of the boy's other body parts, and most of all he admitted the murder in gruesome detail. This IS an open and shut case.....

and from what I understand Levi Aron is up for 2nd degree murder and he's pleading not guilty by way of insanity!

Whats wrong with 1st degree murder? I'd want the death penalty on this case.

R.I.P. Leiby Kletzky:

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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by NightGypsy

 

and from what I understand Levi Aron is up for 2nd degree murder and he's pleading not guilty by way of insanity!

This is one case where law enforcement should let a scheduled escape happen, somewhere near the community involved... Then look the other way.

Oops, 'stuff' happens, sorry.

reply to post by bluemirage5


I want to protect the kids, but I don't think restricting their travel is the best way. It is our society that has gone in the crapper. We have to fix our society. If we change our laws, and restrict our kids, and become more vigiliant, we are only addressing the symptoms, and continuing to let the underlying cancer grow. I think we have to put our feet down and say, "No, we won't refuse to walk the streets at night, no, we won't accept the fact that it is unsafe for a child to walk home from school." Instead, we turn the tables, we say, "I dare you to harm a child in my neighborhood! The repercussions for harming my child are beyond your imagination." I think we insert ourselves into the equation, and we change the outcome.

Dov Hikind on Leiby Kletzky:

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reply to post by getreadyalready


Well, you know what......good luck with changing society and smoking out every psycho out there if you know where to look amongst a population of 350+ million........

in the mean time our kids need to be protected and if it means making a new law because common sense went out the window along time ago then so be it!

reply to post by bluemirage5

in the mean time our kids need to be protected and if it means making a new law because common sense went out the window along time ago then so be it!

So where does it stop? I hate the slippery slope argument as much as the next guy, but honestly, where does the paranoia end?

Do we say no kids under 14 alone on the street ever? What is the difference between walking home from school, and walking over to a friend's house? Do we lock our kids up permantantly? What about my wife of 100lbs? Most 14 year olds are bigger than her, should her travel be restricted for her own good?

What do we do after all the laws are made, and the only people on the streets are cops, criminals and vigilantes, and then we find out that crimes are still being committed behind closed doors? Do we then tell the police to please randomly go door to door and check on things?

I want my kids safe, but I won't lock them up in my basement to keep them that way. The argument is flawed. How much is acceptable to sacrifice for ultimate safety, and is it worth it? Are my kids better off 24 hours per day in a padded room with liquified food? That is where the logic ultimately leads.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Perhaps it will be done for them; Inmates at Brooklyn court house yelling "Murderer!":

he will go in to protective custody and suicide watch.....I can't believe he's still wearing his kippah!!!

Prosecutor wants 1st degree murder plus other numerous charges.....

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reply to post by getreadyalready


What the hell do you want? I don't see your point! The safety of a small child is not negotiable!!!!

This is about getting kids to and from school/camp safe and sound!

My kids were all in private schools and went on school camps.......it was deadlocked as to them walking home alone.....it was NOT allowed and it was RULE that none of our children left school grounds without a parent or known caregiver. This rule should apply to ALL primary schools and camp organisers!!!!!

reply to post by bluemirage5


That is what I am asking you. If the safety of a small child is not negotiable, then why not put them in a padded room and only feed them liquified food?

I know it is taking it to the extreme, but if we allow little laws chipping away at our freedoms, then the outcome will eventually be extreme. Plus, this still doesn't attack the underlying problem. We can build more and more walls, and more and more fences, and buy more and more guns, but eventually we have to wonder why it is all necessary? Where is the mental illness coming from that causes this?

reply to post by getreadyalready


You mean such a new law would chip away at the freedoms of mindless ignorant parents who are irresponsible by putting their "freedoms" first before that of their own child?

I'm not blaming the parents for the loss of their child but their blinded ignorance in believing their community is a safe one is naive. Already there are Rabbis and other members of their ultra-orthodox establishment caught for henous child abuse offences. True, in this particular case, the perpetrator was'nt part of this community but just so happened to reside among them, going to Synagogue once a day and committed the worst crime on record upon a Jewish child outside of Israel. How were his congregation supposed to know they had such an evil follower in their midest? These people often hide behind the curtains of religion regardless of their denomination or racial creed. Just when we are all trying to deal with little Zara's plight, this comes along.

Where is the mental illness coming from? I'm not even going to try to get inside the head of these murderers and those who commit henous crimes upon children. These people are not human, they have no souls, they are the most evil beyond anything imagined.

You are not reading my posts correctly. If parents are too irresponsible to pick up their primary school age children from school or camp, then laws should be in place to protect that child, by doing so, not releasing the child from their care until a parent or known caregiver arrives and picks up the child. I'm 101% sure this will now be enforced in all American Jewish primary schools and day camps just as successfully as it has been in Australia among our Jewish primary schools and camps for many years. If private schools do it, then so should public schools and day camps; it's not a differcult task and you think I'm asking for too much? All I hear from you are your loss of freedoms and liberialism!!! Do you have a problem picking up your own little kid from school after school? Do you have a problem getting your kid to school safe and sound? Are you more concerned about the number of psychos out there than the safety of your own child? The safety of my child is always going to be my first priority above all other matter because my child is no match for a fully grown stranger.