Duck and cover, start of the lies?

Duck and cover!

Really, what was the thought behind this? These days If you told someone the method for avoiding a nuclear bomb was to crawl under a desk(or something similar), they'd look at you funny and utter something derogatory.

As you all probably know, this was a legitimate countermeasure to an atomic smackdown back in the fifties.

I haven't been able to find any reports of people actually qeustioning the method(If you guys can I'd appreciate it).

But that's what I'm getting at here, If people didn't bother to speak up about this remarkably stupid idea, then the U.S. government may have realized at that point "Hey, uh, these bozos are really buying this. So I guess they'll belive any thing we tell 'em right?"

What I'm saying is this may have been the point which they decided that we'll believe whatever explanation they give us, be It regarding UFO's, terrorist attacks, what-have-you. I'm not here to debate wether UFO's are real or if certain attacks on certain countries are treasonist or not.

So maybe If people hadn't bought this load of horse excrement, maybe just maybe, things might be a little different nowadays.

I'm not trying to lay blame on past generations, but If no one questioned this, (apart from scientific minded induviduals) Then I feel this may have something to do with why most people accept what the gov' tells them and why they think they can spin whatever they want and we'll believe it.

I thought it would be good to hear the ATS think tanks opinion on this.

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Extended version:

The New American Century

reply to post by Americanist


That's a long vid, what does it entail before I spend over an hour watching?

Thanks for the reply

Okay, started watching and it does appear to be an extented version of the stupidity!

Thanks for that!

It was just a way to make the people FEEL safe .

The makers of the video know very well anyone caught in the vicinity of a atomic blast is dead.

The US would not put out a video like that today unless they were really questioning our stupidity.

reply to post by fordrew


Yeah I know, It's kind of sweet in a naive way. But what I'm getting at here is why did they believe it? I can't find anything that reports peoples objection to such a preposterous thing.

And their acceptance is why I've been thinking It's the start to all the lies.

reply to post by BoneMosaic


I am unsure if anyone believed it. I would ask a lot of the older generation folks and see what they have to say about it.

Remember this though. The atomic bomb was a new invention back then and my guess is nobody really saw the true power of the atom bomb , except in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki videos, and probably test videos. But of course the US knew of the true power of the atomic bomb.

So it would be safe to say the US was playing the general public, since the public has only seen videos of tests.

reply to post by fordrew


Hi there ,

this sounds a good theory , most average citizens did not know the effects or the sheer devastation of `the bomb`.
and up to that point they had no reason to doubt or question TPTB.

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But I thought the results of the nukes dropped on japan were well known even then. If not then It definately goes to show that the people didn't know a damn thing and the government liked it that way.

reply to post by BoneMosaic


you are correct , but the effects were still underestimated ,
even TPTB were still up until 1972 building shallow bunkers for themselves that they thought could protect them during a nuclear war .

and as i said before , they had no reason to doubt the word of the TPTB, it is only now many, many years later after experience, that we now don't trust what they say is in our best interests.

snoopyuk

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Really? Shallow bunkers...I guess they appeared to believe their own propaganda, ducking and covering, if only a little further than the common folk.

Still find It hard to believe, I've seen stock footage of nuke tests that look like they were from the same time. If people were seeing these, and believing that a desk could save them...but I guess they musn't have seen them, I just need some experts to show up to reveal this to be true or false.

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In your video at 1:15. $80,000.00 trucks get a minor malfunction, and the government merely purchases another, leaving that one to sit and degrade.
Now see everyone? That is why they have to nix your SSI. Because if they didn't, then they could not keep doing wastefull fraud.

Actually, the "duck and cover" routine had its merits, and still does. For those further away from the blast radius, it could save a few lives. In the case of conventional weaponry, more so. In the case of atomic, it could also save you long enough to die later from radiation exposure. For those closest to the blast radius, obviously it wouldn't matter what they did.

So as silly as it may seem today, it was at least a marginally good idea. Especially considering there weren't any real alternatives. I would add though, I do believe the government played the atomic weapon thing for all it was worth at the time.

reply to post by Klassified


Really? I had no idea. Truly. But why waste time on ducking and covering when you're gonna get radiation poisioning anyway. Frankly I'd rather die in the initial explosion. Though given the choice I suppose anyone would choose death.

But do you think this is where the lies truly took hold, is what I'm asking?

Ok, what this thread is truly about is wether or not you think the this could have been one of the first major lies told and the reason "they"(TPTB) continue to lie to us.

I have to go, as I'm rather tired but this is truly what I was getting at when starting this thread.

Thankyou for your input thus far everyone. Goodnight.

reply to post by BoneMosaic


If you really think about it, the lies really took hold in the West first under Emperor Constantine in the Roman Empire and growing ever since from the Divine Right of Kings, to the Crusades, the Inquisition, etc.

Humans have trusted authorities and been lied to by them for ages.

Plato's Republic sets the standard for it. It is known as the Noble Lie or the Magnificent Myth. In the Republic it was designed to maintain social order and harmony forming in essence a katechon against Khaos.

Originally posted by Klassified
Actually, the "duck and cover" routine had its merits, and still does. For those further away from the blast radius, it could save a few lives. In the case of conventional weaponry, more so. In the case of atomic, it could also save you long enough to die later from radiation exposure. For those closest to the blast radius, obviously it wouldn't matter what they did.

So as silly as it may seem today, it was at least a marginally good idea. Especially considering there weren't any real alternatives. I would add though, I do believe the government played the atomic weapon thing for all it was worth at the time.

lol. Duck and cover is good for natural disasters.

Duck and cover is as good as doing nothing any where near a nuclear explosion. Basically you are dead if you are even miles from the blast site. No hiding behind desks can save you from the amount of heat and/or radiation that is emitted from a nuclear weapon.

Now i'm curious. I want to see if there is any research of anyone who set up sensors or whatnot and actually measured the distance where a person could be safe for an X kiloton nuclear explosion. (normal temperature / acceptable radiation level)

edit: check this site out - www.carloslabs.com...

Originally posted by BoneMosaic
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Really? I had no idea. Truly. But why waste time on ducking and covering when you're gonna get radiation poisioning anyway. Frankly I'd rather die in the initial explosion. Though given the choice I suppose anyone would choose death.

But do you think this is where the lies truly took hold, is what I'm asking?

I don't think so. For the 20th century at least, I would go back to 1913 to the federal reserve act and income tax act among other things.
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fordrew

As I said, considering there weren't any real alternatives, and the further away from the blast you were the better your chances initally, it was better than telling people that were expecting answers from their government, "Sorry, we don't have any answers for you. You're on your own."

It was at least as good as duct tape and plastic in the event of a bio-attack.

Here's another interesting pac!

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That was a splendid little film.

There is more truth in that short cartoon than any children's show produced in the past 30 years.

reply to post by BoneMosaic


I doubt the intent of the video was to demonstrate how someone could avoid a hydrogen or nuclear bomb per se, but how to increase their chance of survival. It's hard to detect that in this unpretentious, "Leave It To Beaver"-like video, but it's my opinion that TPTB were concerned & tried to do the right thing given the advent of nuclear weapons & the unfolding nuclear arms race of that era.

Linked here (www.sc-ems.com...) is a U.S. Army Field Manual (FM) that sort of expresses the same ideas the video presents. It's dated Sep '94, so major revisions to the ideas of protecting against a nuclear bomb explosion may have occurred since that particular release. Nonetheless, the ideas expressed in the FM parallel those in the video, indicating that ideas from the 50's about nuclear protection still hold some weight. On a more personal note, however, I think the defensive posturing taught in the video and linked FM constitute wishful thinking. Still, there is an element of reason to it, if only to increase by a small factor one's chance of survival.

FYI: Chapter 4 on page 110 of the pdf file is where the FM begins discussing nuclear protection.