Conspiracy against God and Man - Divide et impera - The Lie that Divides

The following comes from two different threads that I participated in receitly. The information below reflects the thoughts I had from these two threads combined.

IS GOD A SOCIOPATH?

Divide et impera means divide and conquer. This is the oldest trick in the book to confuse truth and subvert justice. It is said by many Atheists that God is a sociopath. The OT stories are said to be evidence for this. As I will quickly show, God is not the sociopath. The conspiracy here is against God and also, primarily, against man himself. Before I get to the main conspiracy, let me clear up the sociopath part of the conspiracy.

Give me an example of God being a sociopath in the OT and I will show you that He was acting in the best interests of those who He was protecting. He will always stand on the side of truth, virtue and the protection of the innocent. He is just. He stands for justice. We go to court seeking this type of justice when we are wronged by others. God is the only true judge of men and all examples in the OT are His work to bring man where we are today. Apart from Him motivating Luther to nail his thesis to the doors of the church, the English Bible, the printing press and freedom in America would not have happened. This happened because man was selling forgiveness of sin in the form of indulgences and printing them on the press to increase profits. This motivated the development of the press, the printing of the English Bible and the rise of the people against the oppression of Rome. God did this.

As a result, we see mankind become literate for the first time in masses. Because of this, we see the industrial revolution and the age of high technology. Why? To again give the masses truth and put those who oppose God in their rightful place. As you see government abuse the people yet again, you will see God acting on our behalf to assist those of us who stand on the right side of freedom and truth.

Stand where you want, but God will give justice against those who kill, steal and destroy. Do you agree that they need justice, or is God still a sociopath? Do you enjoy the tyranny we are experiencing around the world today, or do you long for justice to be given to those who are oppressed at the hands of evil?

Now, compare this day and age to the OT. The OT day was much worse. God is good.

Now that we clear this up, let's make a conjecture about history that can be verified in the book, Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike.

THE SEARCH FOR KEYS TO THE TREE OF LIFE

The library of Alexandria held 40 volumes of books by Hermes (Enoch / Thoth). The only surviving copies were found scattered across Asia. What survives is the Corpus Hermeticum. This was ancient knowledge that was passed through the trade routes of the ancient world. We find biblical knowledge adapted in all countries, but the Bible is the surviving work that was brought out of Egypt with Moses. Follow the path. Enoch builds the pyramids. Joseph deciphers. Moses learns in the schools of Egypt before departing and receiving the Torah and law from God. Christ is the promised Son of God redeemer. He is mentioned in the first book of the Corpus as the Son of God who gives rebirth. God is the light. Confucius calls Him the Son of Heaven. Buddha also had the understanding of Heaven and rebirth.

This is where the Hebrews get the mystical side of Kabbalah. It is a holdover from Egyptian paganism. Moses tried to keep this as the secret knowledge passed form mouth to ear. It was too dangerous for anyone but the pure of heart. Those who found this mysticism formed cults of magic, which leads to our present day Theosophy. We also find it showing up in secret societies across the ages and nations. Still to today, Hermetic mysticism is the go to knowledge for secret societies. Read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. It reveals all of this. Study the Zohar as I have and you see the reason they are interestd. Study the book of creation (Sefer Yetzirah) and you see why it was information they were after.

All secret societies are after the keys to creation. They want to unlock the tree of life (DNA). They want to unlock the symbols in Egypt because they know what they suggest. The story above is what they have been after. As I have said before, the flaming sword is what keeps them from seeing. It is bias against God. Your proof of God is found in the study of history. I've done the research. It is clear we are way over our heads with our current understanding of science. The Sefer Yetzirah demonstrates this. Man's search to understand this knowledge demonstrates this. This is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It is man teaching himself apart from God's leading. The same story today all the way back to the garden.

CONCLUSION

As you consider God and His work with humanity, realize that there is more to this story than you may realize. There is a conspiracy at work for control of this truth. You are being duped by someone and it is not God or man. God is your defender and man is used as a proxy against himself. The key to understanding this all is found in the first three chapters of the Bible. All conspiracies on ATS are a means to an end for our true enemy. The enemy is not God. The true enemy seeks to divide us into nations, religions and various beliefs and non-beliefs.

As you see that this story is coming to a close, realize that God is after the protection of His people. All of us who believe in truth, virtue and freedom are on His side. All of us who seek to destroy His work are on the side of those who wish to steal, kill and destroy. Which side are you on?

Truth, Virtue and Freedom is the side I am on. No matter what has happened in my life (good and bad) I have never left his side because we were given a promise. He promised NEVER to leave our side....and.... We were also promised by God that as long as we believe and live accordingly as Jesus laid out before us we would spend eternity with him.

SuperiorEd......I LOVE your knowledge, your words, and your bringing forth light and truth. My heart is so heavy after reading a thread that was named God is crazy. My heart hurts for God as I know he has made a perfect creation that has gone bad. This Earth is at a lower level of consciousness I imagine. Never did I realize there were so many against God.

In March I joined my first and only Forum....ATS. I joined because I saw Earth Changes and an "End Time" scenario embarking on the Horizon. Since this time I never knew how many angry, un-loving, non believers there actually were and this is on one site.

I think what so many people miss is the signs. Signs are everywhere. God talks to those who listen in various ways. We cannot humanly fathom the REAL TRUTH. Our brains are like rocks. All of our studies of NDE's lead one to believe in an after life. There is a Heaven and there is a Hell. The latter I was not convinced until a year ago. He asks us to seek him out. There is more of his word other than the Bible. He wants us to discover his truth. When one seeks him out, they will indeed find him. He doesn't hide a thing....it is all before our very eyes.

Those who have eyes to see and those who have ears need to listen. He is everywhere.

Thank you for showing the Truth and the Light. We are all wondering around down here in slavery. Man has done this to us...not God. Our light will soon be shining though because if one does not believe these Earth changes prophesied in the Bible to be true.....when it gets to a point of no return I sure hope the non-believers, the mockers, will call on Jesus because if you don't you will find yourself in a place of real....no....return.

Peace and love to you and yours! xoxoxox

What did the three main men in history (His Story) teach us?

Confucius - Government and Education through Virtue and Ethics.

Buddha - How to overcome the self-pride that causes suffering.

Christ - how to take the other two messages and conquer the world through Love and Truth and Virtue; how to defeat your enemy from love and not war; peace and not weaponry or tyranny.

What is the main tool of humankind's common enemy?

Steal

Kill

Destroy

Divide

Conquer

How does He accomplish this?

Through our own selfish pride as a tool against us. If we are divided against our fellow man in a hierarchy of power, wealth, influence and greed, then we have been conquered by division. If we can be divided by religion and belief, then we have again been controlled.

How can one person change the world? LOVE. Spread the message of love. Embrace the message that honors, protects and defends man from tyranny and division. Know this truth and it will set you free.

God saves His truth and protects it in the pages of the Bible. The remnants of this truth has been preserved and then verified by others around the world. The common sign that an ancient sage was enlightened to the truth of love and virtue is if they did not write their own words down. Socrates, Confucius, Buddha and Rumi, Christ did not write. Christ was the Word that embodies the Living Word of the Bible. His life was the fulfillment of this law as a labor of love or you and I.

Why did I exclude Islam? The Muslims embrace the enemy, despite the fact that Jesus is their messenger. Rumi the Sufi even held the correct truth in part. The Quran becomes their judgment against God's law of love for innocence and justice. Luke 10 tells them what it takes to be a believer. Love God and love your fellow man, even your enemies.

We can demonstrate God's goodness with our actions and words of love. This defeats evil at every turn. Christians need to wake up to love. Once we shine this light, no evil in this world can overcome humanity. We need no weapons but the sword of truth. The flaming sword of the garden that protects the tree of life is bias, condescension, anger and pride against others. It takes a fool not to see the truth. The Bible backs us up 100%, as does history. Counterfeit truth is exposed against the realization that God is good to those who stand on His side of freedom, equality and honor for virtue, truth and justice for all men. America will wake. Its already happening.

Thank you for shining your light here. So few are willing to stand up for truth it seems. Sill so, we know how the story ends. Jesus said continually in the NT, "DO NOT FEAR."

Originally posted by MamaJ
Truth, Virtue and Freedom is the side I am on. No matter what has happened in my life (good and bad) I have never left his side because we were given a promise. He promised NEVER to leave our side....and.... We were also promised by God that as long as we believe and live accordingly as Jesus laid out before us we would spend eternity with him.

SuperiorEd......I LOVE your knowledge, your words, and your bringing forth light and truth. My heart is so heavy after reading a thread that was named God is crazy. My heart hurts for God as I know he has made a perfect creation that has gone bad. This Earth is at a lower level of consciousness I imagine. Never did I realize there were so many against God.

In March I joined my first and only Forum....ATS. I joined because I saw Earth Changes and an "End Time" scenario embarking on the Horizon. Since this time I never knew how many angry, un-loving, non believers there actually were and this is on one site.

I think what so many people miss is the signs. Signs are everywhere. God talks to those who listen in various ways. We cannot humanly fathom the REAL TRUTH. Our brains are like rocks. All of our studies of NDE's lead one to believe in an after life. There is a Heaven and there is a Hell. The latter I was not convinced until a year ago. He asks us to seek him out. There is more of his word other than the Bible. He wants us to discover his truth. When one seeks him out, they will indeed find him. He doesn't hide a thing....it is all before our very eyes.

Those who have eyes to see and those who have ears need to listen. He is everywhere.

Thank you for showing the Truth and the Light. We are all wondering around down here in slavery. Man has done this to us...not God. Our light will soon be shining though because if one does not believe these Earth changes prophesied in the Bible to be true.....when it gets to a point of no return I sure hope the non-believers, the mockers, will call on Jesus because if you don't you will find yourself in a place of real....no....return.

Peace and love to you and yours! xoxoxox

I believe in God, but to not believe in God yet ask if God is a sociopath is a rather odd statement. Something that doesn't exist can't be a sociopath. And if it is God the creator you are talking about, then you can't assign a mortal personality to an immortal being. Many people are confused because they think evil originates from God, which it doesn't. God is the Good, he can do anything but evil, because evil is nothing.

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Since I came onto to this site your words have been like music to my ears.

I have a question as I will forever be learning and I am sure you have the answer.

When speaking of dividing I think back to the OT and God dividing us because of sin. I tell my kids though that He did it so we will be challenged against judging others differences. What do you say about it?

You are speaking the truth. God is the good guy. We find this hard to take because it means we need to give up the world we love. In giving up the world to God, we gain it back in truth. Peace follows the law that is set in our favor if we honor others. If we dishonor others, the law is set to dishonor our choice with toil. The Genesis story was this pride resulting in toiling with the land to live. God would have preferred that we gained our knowledge as we walked with Him in the garden (Earth). We inherited a tropical paradise. We will leave it a burned out husk of weeds. The weeds are our poor choices. Gardening could not be a better example. We reap what we sow. How many other gardens are there in the universe? AMAZING!

Notice that God was still walking in the midst of the Garden when man was hiding. This is God doing His job. Despite our best efforts against Him in our pride, God yet walks with us in the garden today. He never stopped. We can only choose to walk with Him again or continue to walk away. It is our choice on three levels. Personally, nationally and globally. We are our own enemies.

I see this as God developing our sentience. Confucius says, "I hear and I forget. I see and I learn. I do and I understand." God tells us a story through Christ, the LOGOS (Master story teller, creator). God doesn't just tell us the story, we live the story. We are only witnesses. We have an adversary to overcome within ourselves. What better way to do and learn to love? Overcome for the one you love. If we cannot love the God, then we are only left loving ourselves. We fail to develop sentience. Without love, what good is a thinking being to anyone but themselves.

God is good.

Originally posted by filosophia
I believe in God, but to not believe in God yet ask if God is a sociopath is a rather odd statement. Something that doesn't exist can't be a sociopath. And if it is God the creator you are talking about, then you can't assign a mortal personality to an immortal being. Many people are confused because they think evil originates from God, which it doesn't. God is the Good, he can do anything but evil, because evil is nothing.

My last comment should be an answer to this. We cannot be destroyed. Our body is a bio-mechanical suit to sense the story God tells. What harm can come to our essence? An acorn is the oak tree enfolded. If it gains union with the soil, it unfolds. The essence is information that can be saved or lost if the acorn rots. The tree is merely the vehicle to express the essence. We are like this. We are born into this world by the union of sperm and egg. This was possible because of the union of sun and moon. The earth is our 2nd womb. We are connected to God by the silver cord spoken of by Solomon in Ecclesiastes 12:

6 Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Luke 10 gives the key to salvation. It is love. 1 Corinthians 13 gives the definition of how to love. John 3 gives the process of gaining union with the spirit.

Our bodies are essentially plecentas for us to develop in the womb of the earth. It is an upgrade from the previous development in the mother's womb. In John 3, Jesus says you must be born again. We assume He means salvation. Not only is He saying salvation, but He is saying more. He is talking about gaining union with the spirit. The water we are baptized into is the earth body. If we find love, we gain union with the spirit and the tree of life above bears our fruit of love. It drops the fruit on new ground and our next oak tree comes to life as this one passes. Sounds like science fiction but it is fact. Again, consider the oak tree. We reap what we sow.

All Christians believe in reincarnation, they just don't realize it. We believe that we are incarnated into this body once. We believe that, based on John 3, when we die, we are born again. This is the 2nd incarnation. I personally believe that we can be born again into the body when we fail to gain union in a life. Again, we have seeds here, just like the oak tree. Eternal life is a process or birth and rebirth. There is no such thing as death for the soul. Only the man is judged here after death. The soul is reassigned and cannot die. Divine justice is seen clearly here. We are never apart form God. Our soul is being developed. The final judgment of God will send us to hell or allow us to ascend in the tree of life.

Again, our theology is merely perspective. Maybe I am wrong. I don't think I am. Others may be able to refute what I say. I tend to agree that God loves all seven continents and I think they have much to teach us by their own perspectives.

Emerald Tablet of Hermes

"It (emerald tablet / nature) contains an accurate commentary that can't be doubted. It states: What is the above is from the below and the below is from the above. The work of wonders is from one. And all things sprang from this essence through a single projection. How marvelous is its work! It is the principle part of the world and its custodian. Its father is the sun (sol) and its mother (luna) is the moon. Thus the wind bore it (solar) within it and the earth nourished it. Father of talismans (symbol) and keeper of wonders (science). Perfect in power that reveals the lights (Knowledge - Illumination). It is a fire (cycle) that became our earth. Separate the earth from the fire (evil-refiners fire) and you shall adhere more to that which is subtle (God) than that which is coarse (material), through care and wisdom (knowledge is not enough). It ascends from the earth to the heaven (rising to the source rather than away - like a river). It extracts the lights from the heights and descends to the earth containing the power of the above and the below for it is with the light of the lights. Therefore, the darkness (contrary to illumination) flees from it. The greatest power overcomes everything that is subtle and it penetrates all that is coarse. The formation of the microcosm is in accordance with the formation of the macrocosm. The scholars made this their path (Science). This is why Thrice Hermes was exalted with wisdom. This is his last book that he hid in the catacomb."

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

Since I came onto to this site your words have been like music to my ears.

I have a question as I will forever be learning and I am sure you have the answer.

When speaking of dividing I think back to the OT and God dividing us because of sin. I tell my kids though that He did it so we will be challenged against judging others differences. What do you say about it?

I had a friend who told me I could not be a "Christian" because I believed in Reincarnation. I see it in the Bible and I also believe it to be true. We have Eternity to learn and grow in knowledge. We have many Universe's, many dimensions, and this Earth I believe to be a lesser learning place. There is too much negativity for it not to be.
When we pass from this life to the next I firmly believe we have a choice. I can remember having a choice and being excited about coming back. I can remember as a little girl wondering why the communication between me and my mother was "different". I should be able to hear her thoughts. This "remembering" is from where I came from and this will one day be a normal way of life here on Earth.

Fear is what is holding us as a Human race back from evolving into this manifestation.

As my dear friend, Danny Tomlinson use to say before he lost his life in last years flood..... "God s good all the time".

I agree. We have a veil of forgetfulness placed on us so that we live by faith. This is the veil of the temple. The body is the temple of God (Holy Spirit / Consciousness). If we remembered our former estate, we would be living under fact and not faith. The earth seems to be a realm for the fallen soul. We are given this opportunity, in my opinion, to learn to love. God's kingdom demands us to follow this law of love.

How amazing will it be to remember what we once lost? Socrates said that we already possess all knowledge. When we discover or learn, we only remember what we already knew. The NDE website is amazing to read. LINK

Keep in mind that not everything you hear or see is true. The Bible is the filter. As I read the NDE website, I realize this. It is fascinating, however, to see the similarities in all the stories.

Originally posted by MamaJ
I had a friend who told me I could not be a "Christian" because I believed in Reincarnation. I see it in the Bible and I also believe it to be true. We have Eternity to learn and grow in knowledge. We have many Universe's, many dimensions, and this Earth I believe to be a lesser learning place. There is too much negativity for it not to be.
When we pass from this life to the next I firmly believe we have a choice. I can remember having a choice and being excited about coming back. I can remember as a little girl wondering why the communication between me and my mother was "different". I should be able to hear her thoughts. This "remembering" is from where I came from and this will one day be a normal way of life here on Earth.

Fear is what is holding us as a Human race back from evolving into this manifestation.

As my dear friend, Danny Tomlinson use to say before he lost his life in last years flood..... "God s good all the time".

For anyone interested, here are links to how I view the three persons of the Trinity.

LINK | LINK

God came to earth as the Living Word. Christ is the savior of the world by doing what we are unable to do. This is the Gospel of Christ. He is the fulfillment of the law of love as our example.

Originally posted by filosophia
I believe in God, but to not believe in God yet ask if God is a sociopath is a rather odd statement. Something that doesn't exist can't be a sociopath. And if it is God the creator you are talking about, then you can't assign a mortal personality to an immortal being. Many people are confused because they think evil originates from God, which it doesn't. God is the Good, he can do anything but evil, because evil is nothing.

Fortunately I have a lot of patience concerning the subjects turning up on the religious forums. But it feels rather meaningless to answer the same propaganda-formulars again and again and again.

But well, that's how propaganda functions, so here we go umpteenth-and-first time.

The alleged 'god' of OT is from a rational perspective considered a fiction. But even fictions can be analysed, and especially when such fictions have impact on society, is an analysis not only justified, but also necessary.

Grok?

reply to post by SuperiorEd


You wrote:

["I agree. We have a veil of forgetfulness placed on us so that we live by faith. This is the veil of the temple. The body is the temple of God (Holy Spirit / Consciousness). If we remembered our former estate, we would be living under fact and not faith."]

It's not unlikely, that someone/something has put a bag over our heads with the intentions of indoctrination, brainwashing and zombification.

And following that direction of speculation, who is a more obvious candidate than the sociopath pretender-'god' from OT?

Insofar there is any rational approach to theist claims at all, Jahveh is the arch-type of the insane tyrannical dictator.

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I dont know how you can possibly make the arguments you do, as there is only one side of the story provided. The other side of the story has conveniently been lost. Not to mention that the story was written thousands of years ago and has been translated, edited, and distorted over the centuries.

reply to post by Firefly_


In the material used and presented by the OP-author the opposing side in this (either cosmic- or principle-) conflict, has conveniently been 'lost' or deformed; completely in accordance with common practice in propaganda-fights.

But a study in comparative religion/semi-religion clearly demonstrates, that the opposing side in this conflict actually has survived, and manifests some solid arguments for their position(s).

A very inconvenient situation for the invasive faction of a monopoly-seeking christianity, which historically has been met two ways.

1/ When politically possible, these christian factions simply kill opposition (sometimes including other 'christians').

2/ When politically impossible, these christian factions follow a standard pattern: Befriending, infiltration, assimilation, taking over and finally declaring the original competing religion 'heretical'.

The claims of 'truth'-methodology in OP are just common preacher-style circle-argumentation: "It's true, because it's true". In this case specifically: "As 'god' is 'god', he must 'ofcourse' be an expression of ultimate 'truth', and thus BE 'ultimate truth' ". Rather primitively trying to enforce opposition to accept theist premises.

This implies you believe in God but have distaste for Him. He still loves you deeply. The teacher is out for your best interests. Bias blinds and divides a house (planet, nation, individual) against itself. Love equalizes our pride to humility and honor for others, including God. Your tent here is temporary. Pull up stakes now while you still can. Plant them on higher ground.

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

You wrote:

["I agree. We have a veil of forgetfulness placed on us so that we live by faith. This is the veil of the temple. The body is the temple of God (Holy Spirit / Consciousness). If we remembered our former estate, we would be living under fact and not faith."]

It's not unlikely, that someone/something has put a bag over our heads with the intentions of indoctrination, brainwashing and zombification.

And following that direction of speculation, who is a more obvious candidate than the sociopath pretender-'god' from OT?

Insofar there is any rational approach to theist claims at all, Jahveh is the arch-type of the insane tyrannical dictator.

It is an open forum. Provide us with context as I have. The other side is objectivism and tyranny. If you mean there is a third side, let us consider it.

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

I dont know how you can possibly make the arguments you do, as there is only one side of the story provided. The other side of the story has conveniently been lost. Not to mention that the story was written thousands of years ago and has been translated, edited, and distorted over the centuries.

reply to post by SuperiorEd


You wrote (about 'god' and my way of relating to the concept):

["This implies you believe in God but have distaste for Him."]

I relate to a fictive character from a written mythology. The reason I do so is, that some of the followers and propagators of said fiction has caused no end of problems for mankind for 1.500+ years.

Moslem extremism, hard-core communist-ideology and nazi racial theories are based on similar fictions, and have in the same way caused problems mankind also has to relate to.

Quote: ["He still loves you deeply."]

For me it's quite sufficient, that the flying spaghetti monster is around.

Quote: ["The teacher is out for your best interests"]

Yes, yes, it's "for my own good" ofcourse. They said that in the inquisition also.

Quote: ["Bias blinds and divides a house (planet, nation, individual) against itself. Love equalizes our pride to humility and honor for others, including God."]

That probably seems true and good for those sharing your premises. I'm not amongst them.

Quote: ["Your tent here is temporary. Pull up stakes now while you still can. Plant them on higher ground."]

The option you offer appears very unattractive to me. I'll find my own, and for me, better ways.

reply to post by bogomil

Quote: ["Your tent here is temporary. Pull up stakes now while you still can. Plant them on higher ground."]

The option you offer appears very unattractive to me. I'll find my own, and for me, better ways.

Well, all I can do for you is present my perspective. You have expressed the same. Looks like we each have spoken. ATS is a marketplace of ideas. America stands proud in honoring this God-given freedom. God Bless America

When will folks learn that the ONLY true religion is that of the Tooth Fairy!! The Tooth Fairy is our Most High Messiah, Lord, King of Kings, and Savior. Belief in ANY OTHER god will give you HELL for ETERNITY.

Out of the 100's of gods out there, the Tooth Fairy is the ONLY real god. Get right with the Tooth Fairy you heathens, or you will be in HELL forever!!!

OP get right with the Tooth Fairy. DO you want to be in HELL FOREVER?