The Jihad is in full swing, id say were already loosing. Religion of peace?

There are just as many violent verses in the Christian Bible as there is in the Qur'an, and it is just as easy if you take some of them out of context, much like you did. Here are just a few...

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Psalms 137:9 Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks.

Ezekial 9: 5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

Sorry but I do not buy into the whole Jihad silliness. I have known more people who have died from Auto accidents than have died due to Jihad from Muslim extremist.

reply to post by iBleedSovietR3D


Your still not answering what the action is we are supposed to take.

Can you be more specific?

Originally posted by lestweforget
Allah is not the same deity of Judaism and Christianity

clue > ABRAHAM
101 basic info. at wikip; there is no excuse for being so ignorant in
your post.

Originally posted by ToneDeaf

Originally posted by lestweforget
Allah is not the same deity of Judaism and Christianity

clue > ABRAHAM
101 basic info. at wikip; there is no excuse for being so ignorant in
your post.

Yea. I think he forgot there are THREE Abrahamic faiths...

Originally posted by kro32
reply to post by iBleedSovietR3D

 

Your still not answering what the action is we are supposed to take.

Can you be more specific?

I think you're supposed to come to my house and turn my carpet red... That sounds like his plan of action..

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


Well since your so bent on everyone "misunderstanding" your religion of "peace"

why do 1 in 4 Muslims in AMERICA think that SUICIDE BOMBING is justifiable?

so why don't you explain to us this, since your so knowledgable about your faith?

these numbers show that in a mosque of 400 Muslims, 100 of them think
its okay to blow up a room full of Americans. This is in AMERICA, where Muslims that live here are found to be rather passive and "well integrated". These numbers are terrifying. How high do the numbers go in other countries? My source says as high as 50%. This is exactly the kind of crap I was talking about, but your constantly telling me how "misunderstood" about your faith I am. well Id LOVE an explanation from you on this one.

"poll finds that 1 in 4 american muslims under 30 think suicide boming is okay, while the number reaches 50% in some countries" www.foxnews.com...

We can halt the Jihad by simply keeping back the take over from the inside out with protest and other political maneuvers by electing officials who see where all of this is actually going.

That is from your op.

Now your suggesting that protests and electing the right type of officials will prevent this.

Who in your view is the right type of official and what type of protests or political maneuvers do you mean specifically?

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Currently I don't feel a threat to my existence. I feel a huge threat to all my freedoms that our founding father threw themselves into battle and death for. Any freedoms at all that we are so used to having will be completely demolished in the Jihad if it succeeds.

I agree with you here. I feel a real threat to my freedoms also, sadly that threat does not come from some Muslims. That threat comes directly from my Government. It is my Government that is choosing to ignore the Constitution and attack my freedoms in the name of security. Meanwhile, it is not the Muslims who are being felt up at the airport, it is me. Of course we all know, you can't feel up the Muslims at the airport because that would be considered "profiling", so exactly how are these attacks on my freedom in the name of security making me more secure?

Since Im sensing your little sarcasm let me get rough in my comment- people like you are going to let it succeed with all your blatant lack of understanding and the fact you don't give a poo to even try to understand. Your a sitting duck thats going to get blown out of the water and one day and wonder why his wife isn't allowed to show her hair or face in public, or allowed to drive a car. The gays are going to wonder why there hanging by a rope from their neck, or where their head went. Daughters are going to wonder why their father is allowed to behead them in public because she had sex with her boyfriend.

The true danger right now is lack of understanding. Its ignorance that is going to make us loose. I hate to say it, but its soon going to be us vs. them as sad as that is

HAHAHAHAHA... oh im sorry. Your actually serious here? Ok, I will play along. Out of all the examples that you listed, how often do you see that happening in your area? Perhaps never? If that is the case, I do not consider that to be a threat in anyway.

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Please tell me you did not use a poll from Fox news. Really? They have been proven to lie in their polls countless times. I would not expect this poll to be any different.

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Well since your so bent on everyone "misunderstanding" your religion of "peace"

why do 1 in 4 Muslims in AMERICA think that SUICIDE BOMBING is justifiable?

so why don't you explain to us this, since your so knowledgable about your faith?

these numbers show that in a mosque of 400 Muslims, 100 of them think
its okay to blow up a room full of Americans. This is in AMERICA, where Muslims that live here are found to be rather passive and "well integrated". These numbers are terrifying. How high do the numbers go in other countries? My source says as high as 50%. This is exactly the kind of crap I was talking about, but your constantly telling me how "misunderstood" about your faith I am. well Id LOVE an explanation from you on this one.

"poll finds that 1 in 4 american muslims under 30 think suicide boming is okay, while the number reaches 50% in some countries" www.foxnews.com...

Well sir, considering nowhere in ANY holy texts is suicide bombing prescribed, and there are 2 places where suicide itself is forbidden, I can't comment on suicide bombing. Suicide is forbidden

I guess I uphold my 100% knowledge about MY faith again huh? lol

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Its not a fox news poll. its a pew poll. Fox just covered the story, i couldn't find it covered else where.
As to the "are you kidding" remark, actually in my area a muslim father killed his daughter recently in a prescribed "honor killing" after she was caught having sex with her boyfriend because she "dishonored the family name". Its happened quite a few times actually. And to the rest of the post, all of this is carried out in muslim countries, and this is what it will be like if the Jihad succeeds. Im glad you think its funny, as it seems people really are just testing me now.

To Kro32 it seems like you really want my answer. I honestly don't know what would be the answer and I don't think any one thing would be. Sometimes protests are heard by the gov. sometimes there not. Right now in the USA things haven't really progressed to the point of having anything to protest about, although we have protests in LA all the time where thousands of muslims protest for rule under sharia law. How about a protest to never implement sharia law? as for politicians I thought that would be kind of obvious because we could make sure to elect politicians in the future who are not going to give in to sharia law etc, not electing politicians who would want to give muslims sharia law courts. As for the right here and now, educate everyone on the fact that Jihad is in effect and to not let it proceed, the outcomes if it were to etc.

To my.mind.is.mine

That doesn't explain whatsoever the fact why 1 in 4 muslims under 30 in america think suicide bombing is just dandy. are you one of those 1 in 4? theres a one in four chance you are. Suicides not okay yet in other countries (non muslim) half think its just fine? i mean c'mon... theres 1.6 billion muslims in the world and to even go as low as 1% that want to physically fight for the jihad thats an army of 16 MILLION.. thats even on the low estimate so EITHER WAY 16 MILLION is definatley a number to be worried about, wouldn't you say?

as to the other poster above who quoted bible verses i never said the bible didn't have violent verses. it does, but it also says to lie in wait to kill is sinful, to murder is to sin. The first verse is talking about a very select group of people on a certain occasion, the children of isreal, when god commanded them to take over the city as they had become incredibly sinful. He even gave them a chance and said sin no more and your city will be saved. will they sinned their butts off and got owned. The second verse is completely out of context and is talking about evil people and what they are so evil they will do, so to make sure that you keep your children close to protect them. its a warning so idk what you thought was so bad about that. The third, is referring to taking back a city that was wrongfully taken from them in which the people were doing incredibly heinous acts. The bible specifically states that no killing is right, ever. It also never states to kill whole groups of people like the qua'raan does just because of their beliefs.. BIG difference. Apparently killing is justified quite a bit in the quaraan.

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Its not a fox news poll. its a pew poll. Fox just covered the story, i couldn't find it covered else where.
As to the "are you kidding" remark, actually in my area a muslim father killed his daughter recently in a prescribed "honor killing" after she was caught having sex with her boyfriend because she "dishonored the family name". Its happened quite a few times actually. And to the rest of the post, all of this is carried out in muslim countries, and this is what it will be like if the Jihad succeeds. Im glad you think its funny, as it seems people really are just testing me now.

To Kro32 it seems like you really want my answer. I honestly don't know what would be the answer and I don't think any one thing would be. Sometimes protests are heard by the gov. sometimes there not. Right now in the USA things haven't really progressed to the point of having anything to protest about, although we have protests in LA all the time where thousands of muslims protest for rule under sharia law. How about a protest to never implement sharia law? as for politicians I thought that would be kind of obvious because we could make sure to elect politicians in the future who are not going to give in to sharia law etc, not electing politicians who would want to give muslims sharia law courts. As for the right here and now, educate everyone on the fact that Jihad is in effect and to not let it proceed, the outcomes if it were to etc.

To my.mind.is.mine

That doesn't explain whatsoever the fact why 1 in 4 muslims under 30 in america think suicide bombing is just dandy. are you one of those 1 in 4? theres a one in four chance you are. Suicides not okay yet in other countries (non muslim) half think its just fine? i mean c'mon... theres 1.6 billion muslims in the world and to even go as low as 1% that want to physically fight for the jihad thats an army of 16 MILLION.. thats even on the low estimate so EITHER WAY 16 MILLION is definatley a number to be worried about, wouldn't you say?

as to the other poster above who quoted bible verses i never said the bible didn't have violent verses. it does, but it also says to lie in wait to kill is sinful, to murder is to sin. The first verse is talking about a very select group of people on a certain occasion, the children of isreal, when god commanded them to take over the city as they had become incredibly sinful. He even gave them a chance and said sin no more and your city will be saved. will they sinned their butts off and got owned. The second verse is completely out of context and is talking about evil people and what they are so evil they will do. I forgot what the third verse is.

After this exchange, I've come to the conclusion that you're just a paranoid human being. You're on track to be that guy standing in times square with a sign that says "undercover Jihadists walk among us. Kill anybody that looks muslim for the sake of our freedoms".

My point being, I don't have to explain something that has nothing to do with me, or my faith.
That's like me asking you to explain Native American hatred towards white Americans..

I mean really though. If I tell you suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam, where do you even REACH to continue to ask me the same question? What do all 1.6 billion of us conference call every thursday night to make sure we're on the same page? GTF outta here...

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


Im not paranoid at all. Theres very little I fear, as I can guarantee i've seen more in the past 5 years than you ever will in your entire life time. Ive been in more situations with AK rounds firing past my head than I can quite literally even begin to count... VERY little I fear, and I think you would be hardpressed to find anything at all. This is not something I fear but something I want to warn and educate about. I don't know why your getting your feathers so ruffled about this, because if you don't believe in carrying out the Jihad, then this really doesn't pertain to you, now does it? In fact, If you like the freedoms of this country, then you should be worried about it.

as to your comment about me being that "guy in times square", the last time I was in downtown LA when there was a Sharia Law protest going on, there was a woman holding up a sign that said "Americans, be prepared for the next holocaust coming".

actually there are quotes in the quaraan saying martyrdom is honorable so I guess its just who interprets those lines as, well, calling for martyrdom. thats how I interpret them and apparently 25% of american muslims

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Im not paranoid at all. Theres very little I fear, as I can guarantee i've seen more in the past 5 years than you ever will in your entire life time. Ive been in more situations with AK rounds firing past my head than I can quite literally even begin to count... VERY little I fear, and I think you would be hardpressed to find anything at all. This is not something I fear but something I want to warn and educate about. I don't know why your getting your feathers so ruffled about this, because if you don't believe in carrying out the Jihad, then this really doesn't pertain to you, now does it? In fact, If you like the freedoms of this country, then you should be worried about it.

PTSD maybe? I don't know, something isn't right about you...

90% of your thread was based upon a lie, and a weak interpretation of Jihad. I'm not worried about anybody taking away my freedoms except this government over here. The same one that has some dollars in the pool of money with Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, and the UAE, that goes to training these fake muslim suicide bombers that exist in the middle east. NEWSFLASH: many people from the middle east have testified that the suicide bombers are nothing but brainwashed/mkultra type people (sorta like you) paid by wahhabi governments to disrupt the fabric of certain nations in that region. And they're just a convenient false flag for the US government.

Deny ignorance my friend.
Stop drinking the water.

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

actually there are quotes in the quaraan saying martyrdom is honorable so I guess its just who interprets those lines as, well, calling for martyrdom. thats how I interpret them and apparently 25% of american muslims

lol that's just retarded. Martyrdom IS honorable, in EVERY culture! We have walls here in America with MARTYRS names on them... Silly rabbit, suicide isn't martyrdom, it's suicide. Call of Duty too much??

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


where are these "testimonies". Id actually like to see them if you don't mind.

why do you keep saying "stop drinking the water".. what water is this you speak of?

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

interpret how you will...

im actually a very stable person, I think you obviously have no idea what PTSD is or else you wouldn't of just said that lol. I do know people with PTSD though and you've obviously not the slightest clue what causes it or what the outcomes are.

Actually buddy the definition of martyr is someone who outgoes great suffering, or death in order to carry out ones beliefs. In this case, a suicide bombing. Jesus, read a book. just to give you a hint- you have to read and grasp the rest of a sentence in order to see how a word is being used.

and really? video games? You honestly think I play video games? I spend 80% of my time at UCLA, and as for war video games, no, real life just about does it for me.

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

where are these "testimonies". Id actually like to see them if you don't mind.

why do you keep saying "stop drinking the water".. what water is this you speak of?

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

interpret how you will...

im actually a very stable person, I think you obviously have no idea what PTSD is or else you wouldn't of just said that lol. I do know people with PTSD though and you've obviously not the slightest clue what causes it or what the outcomes are.

Actually buddy the definition of martyr is someone who outgoes great suffering, or death in order to carry out ones beliefs. In this case, a suicide bombing. Jesus, read a book.

That is a dumb thing to say. If suicide is forbidden by ones beliefs, then it can't be used to carry out ones beliefs.... 1+1=2 type stuff.. I can't believe this I feel like I'm debating a 9 year old.

Apocalyptic messianic profit wielding psychos of any denomination
should be discouraged with the utmost urgency.
So many atrocities have been inflicted on the world by belief in untruths.
There is no moral justification to impose untrue oppressive notions on people.
There is a moral justification to promote human rights, liberty and personal freedom by any means necessary.

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


so where are all of your sources again? you haven't listed a single source this entire time while you have been spouting off about all these testimonies, quotes etc.

Id REALLY REALLY love to see this verse you have CONSTANTLY spoken about that says suicide is wrong for Muslims. PLEASE produce it. PLEASE.

well thats funny, because im on my way to a doctorate of science. You seem like a bright young kid, what university are you attending? Why is it you feel that your debating with a 9 year old? Its usually a psychological thing in which someone sees their own immaturity in someone else from the anger their getting from seeing someone else's point make their own- garbage.

anyways, id REALLY appreciate it if you stopped taking up thread space with absolute junk. Your contributing literally NOTHING to the thread and you just keep going. You've posted nothing but 1-5 line posts with no point, just directed anger towards me.

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

where are these "testimonies". Id actually like to see them if you don't mind.

why do you keep saying "stop drinking the water".. what water is this you speak of?

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

interpret how you will...

im actually a very stable person, I think you obviously have no idea what PTSD is or else you wouldn't of just said that lol. I do know people with PTSD though and you've obviously not the slightest clue what causes it or what the outcomes are.

Actually buddy the definition of martyr is someone who outgoes great suffering, or death in order to carry out ones beliefs. In this case, a suicide bombing. Jesus, read a book. just to give you a hint- you have to read and grasp the rest of a sentence in order to see how a word is being used.

and really? video games? You honestly think I play video games? I spend 80% of my time at UCLA, and as for war video games, no, real life just about does it for me.

edit on 12-7-2011 by iBleedSovietR3D because: (no reason given)

Why did you leave the last part of the quote out? This is the whole quote.

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).