It dosen't matter who the President is.

It dosen't matter who the President is. All he is ,is a figure head for big business (the Senate included) which really run this country. The days of real leadership are long gone. The United States government is run by companies and people with big money, with the purpose of getting more of it. Everything else is a side bar. Even terrorism is looked at as a way to gain more money and power by the individuals involved. Look at at the political races, in most cases the candidate who wins is the one with the most money and political power.They open thier mouths and talk about issues, but thier stand on any of these is based on who is behind them backing them

I suppose this means you could out-debate my Public Policy professor about this? I doubt it...simply put your analysis of American Policy making is completely wrong.

Big Business has very little to do with it, interest groups are 1/9th of the process and they are not limited to "big business".

jeeze louise

I wouldn't argue with any part of your statement, except your thesis sentence.



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I am inclined to agree with you jeezelouise. I think JF Kerry will try to hold back the influences of Mega corporations, but with the majority of the congress against him it is almost impossible.

The majority of legislation is literally written on 'K' street, where all the lobbyists are. Take the tow truck drivers, the congress legislated that only federal regulations applied to them, then it eliminated all federal regulations. The accounting firms in the 90s made it illegal for investors to sue accounting firms for being complicit in corporate accounting fraud. We got Enron, World Comm, Adelphia, Tyco, Global Crossing, etc.. The so-called healthcare bill was written by big pharmaceuticals to force Americans to buy drugs at a premium price. Corporations get a foreign PO Box and claim all their profits are made in tax free places like the Cayman Islands. They don't pay taxes so they have more money to buy the campaigns of politicians and for lobbyists.

Washington is a sick and distorted alternate reality.
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I would have to disagree.
The personality, morality, and even how the president looks has an effect on this country.
Maybe some of these things are superficial but it still has an effect on people in this country.
He can set the mood of things for four years. More if reelected.

Originally posted by elaine
I would have to disagree.
The personality, morality, and even how the president looks has an effect on this country.
Maybe some of these things are superficial but it still has an effect on people in this country.
He can set the mood of things for four years. More if reelected.

Good points, elaine.

In answer to Elaine- ...Morality in regards to a politician? Clinton looked good but had no moral standards, unfortunatly no one seem to care about that . Are we so shallow that we would follow some one simply based on how they looked? What our perceptions are and what reality is are very far apart. Trust is important but how many of us can honestly saw they trust or public leaders, and trust them to always do what is right? They are all following a money based agenda to a degree.

jeeze louise...I concur! Morality has nothing to do with policy making, and big business controls the world. I see many people blinded by a mentality and ambition that they can make a difference in policy and change. Underlying nearly every "deal" that is made in the three branches is business propaganda that sucks the life out of the consumer to "contribute" to their mass fortune which accumulates more and more with each passing minute. When people vote they should look at what businesses are supporting the candidates, because that will tell a lot about that candidates stance...whether they will sacrifice morality in the face of money. Sadly, most if not all politicians fall into this and the American people are left with the wasteland that is their policy changes in fovor of big business.

Ok, I'd better stop because I could go on forever!

same bullsh*t, different presidents!!!

Originally posted by jeeze louise
Are we so shallow that we would follow some one simply based on how they looked?

Based on the crap being pumped out by Hollywood, and how Americans seem to idolize and hang on every celebrity word ... yes. Sad isn't it?

I disagree with the theme of this thread. It very much does matter who is president. The man has his finger on 'THE BUTTON'. He very much does matter. He appoints cabinet and judges ... He issues executive orders ... He carries or drops America in a crisis. He can send troops to war... or not. He can flip flop to foreign powers and America could loose credibility, or he can firmly state a position so all countries know where America stands.

Respectfully - The president matters a great deal.

Ok Flyer Fan when you put it that way I guess it does matter, but I think the problems comes in when your choice for President boils down to 2 people, when neither one of them is a prime choice do you vote for bad or do you vote for worse? Iwonder how many people flip a coin so to speak when they are in the voting booths.

I agree with you. I wish there were more than just two parties
that had serious contenders. Nadar is a step in the right direction.
People say 'don't vote for Nadar it's throwing your vote away'.
I disagree. We should take the Libertarians, Greens, Independants,
etc. all seriously. The more of us that do this, the more choices
we will have in the future.

I think so too! If there was a ballot containing the name of say 20 legitimate contenders then the correct choice could would be made.I think most people would vote for the person best for our country.

While we may not agree with other parties platforms, they still should be held up to debate and respected. While minor parties may not have everything right, they may have the one thing right that the two major parties have wrong.

At least Badnarik should be allowed in the debates. Badnarik right now is polling 5% in New Mexico. Ya know why? Because the libertarians are running commercials there. It all comes down to funding.

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Yes it does all come down to money which goes back to what I said in the first place, our country and elections are based on money.

Hey if you hate Kerry and Bush, vote for Nader.

qwzxas....thats what I will be doing, you can be sure of that!

Nader 2004

Actually, I was rather excited about Jesse Ventura when he was gov.
His mouth got him into a lot of trouble, but he did a good job with
fiscal. I liked how he was impartial AND how he walked out of
the 'memorial service' of the democrat that died in the plane crash,
because of the behavior of the people involved. He didn't care what
it looked like or what was popular ... he did the right thing.

HE is what a third (and 4th, 5th,6th) party being taken seriously can do.


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It doesn't matter who is President because the President is a powerless puppet. He does what he is told to do. toes the party line, and obeys the megacorporations and international bankers who pull his strings, or else he is dealt with. If Gore had been elected in 2000, 9-11 would still have occurred and we would still most likely have gone to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. The reason why Bush Jr. was chosen instead was so to pacify the Christians and Patriots who might have been close to revolting if Gore was behind things like Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.

You tell 'em Jeeze Louise !

If voting could REALLY change things it would be illegal!

Makes sens right, you can't let the "bewilderd herd" (and it has been quoted as such by people in power) trample all over your carefully laid pland now can you?