Problems with the Big Bang Theory (not the TV show)

Was there a the time where there was no space?

Obviously there cannot be such a time in the scientific sense. However, the Big Bang Theory states that the universe started as a single, dense, ball of heat. Something triggered this bomb to go off and since then the starts, galaxies, and our own solar system has been floating away from where ever this point in space is today!

So what did trigger this ball of heat to go boom? and how did it exist in nothingness?

Some say that it was a single black hole or star that collapsed onto itself. While others find that this is proof of the powers of God. Still there are different theories from the mainstream answers. Some people have mentioned that beings from another universe or dimension created this one and are waiting to claim it as their own. Others think that it was a mistake, or a rip in the space time continuum and the universe was never supposed to be here in the first place. Whatever the reason for our being here, ever since we became aware of our surroundings we have looked up at the sky and wondered.

Space is full of asteroids, comets, planets, black holes, moons, stars, ice crystals and of course dark matter. Everything in the universe is carbon based. Meaning that the same thing that makes the ants in your house created the galaxy. This also left scientists to wonder. Is it just a coincidence that we are made of star dust? Why is it so specific that everything in the universe is made from the same material?

Scientists have been debating these questions for years. There seem to be two different but very similar answers. The universe is always in chaos and everything happens completely randomly. The other theory states that the universe is in complete equilibrium with everything else. Stars collapse when their supposed to and black holes eat up the universe like there supposed to.

The two theories contradict themselves because if the Chaos theory is correct then why is everything so similar and seem to have a perfect flow? There are no mistakes, no big gapping holes in space with Xs through them. If the equilibrium theory is correct what is the purpose of black holes? Why are things moving away from the point of creation and what is dark matter? And why is the speed of light constant?

Was the beginning of the universe chaotic or planned? And if so why?

It is looking like if humans ever understand the creation of the universe that the equilibrium theory will come out on top. We could be closer than we think but may not understand the concepts to back up the theories

Are things floating away or is space stretching and we are all in the same spot?










Sheldon knows the answer....

I think it's safe to say we are no where near having the ability to answer this question.

This is like the final riddle any space being will ever solve in my opinion.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Why does nobody ask them selves what created the heated matter that expanded?

Heat does not attract heat, so how did it end up at one point?

That way people would probably get a better understanding of what kind of space that must have existed before before the Big Bang (expansion of energy and matter).

To me the big bang theory seems more likely than a bearded man in the sky broke out the hammer and nails, and built himself a universe.

But I also have a friend that believes that the entire universe is contained within a single cell of a living being's body.

There are countless theories, and none of them can be proved or disproved. We may never even know.

reply to post by spy66


If you ask a scientist this question, and I have they will say, "It just happened." WTH!!!! That's not very scientific is it?

reply to post by Adyta


Thanx reminding me about that cell theory, that popped into my head as well when watching Men In Black.

In actuality, the molecular make up of ourselves and every living thing, is not really all that different from space itself.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by spy66

 

If you ask a scientist this question, and I have they will say, "It just happened." WTH!!!! That's not very scientific is it?

And saying you do know without evidence is....?

reply to post by jjf3rd77

Everything in the universe is carbon based.

Can we have a source for this? Thank you.

There are no mistakes, no big gapping holes in space with Xs through them.

Biggest void in space is 1 billion light years across

Not Xs, but definitely a "big gaping hole in space".

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


Did not know about the voids thanx. But could that really be called a mistake? I'm not really an amateur astronomer or anything, just had some basic questions about the theory. Anyway here's a source for the carbon-based life forms.

www.biocab.org...

WHY FROM CARBON?

A) It is an abundant element in the Universe.
B) It is available for living beings like carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and in water, and like carbonates in soil. C) It is the most versatile element to form compounds.
D) The compounds formed by Carbon are very stable.

reply to post by boncho


I'm not saying I know the answer. That's why I listed these questions. In fact, I am quite surprised that this theory is widely accepted among the scientists. But I guess its better than saying God created it.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Just because Carbon is an abundant element in the universe doesn't mean everything in the universe is Carbon-based. Actually the most abundant element in the universe is Hydrogen, the simplest atom.

About.com Chemistry

Question: What Is the Most Abundant Element?
Answer: The most abundant element in the universe is hydrogen, which makes up about 3/4 of all matter! Helium makes up most of the remaining 25%. Oxygen is the third most abundant element in the universe. All of the other elements are relatively rare.

IMHO
Before matter,space and time arose from nothing,
there was just un manifested concept in a metaphysical consciousness.
To bring "nothing" into equilibrium, infinite manifestation acquired potential energy.

The total energy in the system = 0
Zero point fluctuations manifest as probabilistic wave functions.
Upon observation these wave functions break down, and manifest as particles in a defined position.

a cosmic paradox occurred, one that will never be fully understood, with traditional reductionism.

The universe exists only because it is capable of being observed.

Honestly, I believe that once someone finds the RIGHT answer to this question, they will instantly ascend.

Even if the idea that the universe constantly expands and contracts (multiple Big Bangs) then the matter must have come from somewhere. If God created this matter (I'm not a bible thumper), what created God? Everything comes from something. You can no get something from absolute nothing.

If other creatures created this universe, where did their own universe come from?

A person can sit an ponder this line of questions for an entire lifetime, hell 10,000 lifetimes. Unless God tells us in the afterlife exactly how everything came to be, we will never really know. Its a moot point even trying to find the answers to this, because we can't really find any conclusive evidence to undeniably back up a solid theory to make it law.

That's just my two cents.
(Been off here for a while, but this post made me have to type something up.)

Apparently, you can get something from nothing.
en.wikipedia.org...

Some of your questions aren't really scientific, they are more philosophical. There are theories out there to explain the big-bang, such as M theory for instance, but nothing definitive. It used to be that science didn't address what happened before the big-bang, but it is a hard question to avoid when wanting to explain our universe if there is in fact a multi-verse.

I think the universe is in fact based on probability, and things are the way they are simply because that is the most probable outcome. God could still have created a universe that is random, and I actually expect that He would. Maybe the whole duality of particles during scientific measurement is simply God giving the finger, figuratively, to scientists. I don't know, but I do think that we will learn more about the grand scheme of things as time goes on, and our science becomes more advanced.

Until then, everything is speculation. Even our well known laws are merely speculation, but we know they work, so we use them. There could be theories scientists have never thought of, that explain the same things in the same way, however go beyond that to explain other aspects of other things as well. Make sense, lol?

after some consideration i would put it like this:

everything is uncertain,
nothing is also uncertain.
It is from the uncertainty of nothing
that everything arrises.

i suppose from this we can say
God IS uncertain

"in the beginning was the word"
and it was a circular argument

reply to post by Seitler


I am grateful that I am getting some awesome replies to one of my first posts. I am also surprised that this post made you want to reply again after sometime being absent. I have many questions about the world, which quite possibly have not even been asked here on ATS. I will be posting quite a lot in the next couple of days so look out for my name if you want to question the world around you!

The world is still full of many amazing mysteries! Don't let the media fool you.