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Is an actual conflict looming between Atheists and Creationists?

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posted on Jul, 7 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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Considering the fact that Atheists have done the same in Russia, China and even Europe, it isn't a matter of Creationist violence, rather a matter of both sides one day steering head on where the inevitable crash might happen.



posted on Jul, 7 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by confreak
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Considering the fact that Atheists have done the same in Russia, China and even Europe, it isn't a matter of Creationist violence, rather a matter of both sides one day steering head on where the inevitable crash might happen.


you sir are wrong.

stalin didn't kill for atheism, he killed because he was a nut job. china... really?. europe, let me guess, hitler.

Fail.
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ill even give you your examples just for the sake of argument. those dictators have only been around for a century, christianity alone has been doing it for thousands of years. not to count all of the other religions. go watch some dawkins or hitchens.
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posted on Jul, 7 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by confreak
For example we have cases where the word "God Bless" was proposed to be banned in schools, or other cases where attempts to ban the use of terms such as 'God' or 'Jesus in funerals (--source--).

Another interesting case is a Pilot's refusal to fly an Atheist banner,


These are issues of separation of church and state and sociological conflict. Those issues don't seem to have anything to do with creationism or creationists.

There will be further conflicts in America as the GOP pushes a more conspicuous religious agenda. They are currently openly pushing for I.D. in schools though it consistently fails legal muster. They're also obsessed with reversing other long-ago settled issues such as abortion and mandatory school prayer.

There are many conflicts looming ahead



posted on Jul, 7 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Just read Astyanax's post, that should give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

My post was a satirical fantasy. You may have missed the point of it, which was that, whatever happens to ‘atheists’, the theory of evolution is true and that fact will never change.



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 03:52 AM
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Don't worry, Atheists are not the only ones who are in denial, some Creationists are too.

They say the first step to recovery is admission, what do you think?



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 04:24 AM
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@Op :I don't think an actual conflict is looming on the horizon....why? for simply put atheism is not a religion and even though atheists might adopt a so called aggressive stance during debates/discussions/palaver it is only to ward off ignorance. I regard the idea of a god with a peculiar disdain for it is a meek attempt to consolidate our inability to comprehend the nature of things . It is nothing but the ultimate manifestation of human prejudice as it tends to circumvent the human imagination and that is why I find making such allusions as being utterly detestable.As an idea 'god' is merely a logical fallacy i.e: a reductio ad absurdum for it does not actually explain anything at all.....It only evades the question.


Religious zealots are a nod to mans primordial heritage and representative of its true bestial nature....I applaud their existence.
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posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 05:16 AM
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But there is a growing and vocal minority that is simply a mirror image of what they claim to be aginst -- lobbying for rights, trying to effect social change, etc. To my mind that puts people in the same camp with the most politicized fundamentalists.

Your assertion would hold more weight if it were only religious groups that "lobb[ied] for rights, tried to effect social change, etc." Most special interest groups that engage in those activities have nothing to do with belief in God or a lack of belief in God. So atheists who are active in government aren't "simply a mirror image of what they claim to be against" - they're working within a system designed to give some kind of a voice to minority groups, just as religious fundamentalists are.



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 05:38 AM
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I do concur that religion and politics do not mix well and this I state from experience after viewing the political turmoil in my country. Religion mires all objectivity and disrupts the efficacy of a system for it is the nation that holds greater importance and not a particular religion or sect.....Particularly in a situation where several religions exist in a so called consonance.



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 06:06 AM
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Athiests v. Creationists - apart from a few rumblings here and there when either side wants to dictate their laws unto each other - it won't lead to bloodshed.

Most of humanity, when confronted with pure evil, will choose the opposite. Unless they are deceived.

Let's see - MSM doesn't want the sheeple to hear about nuclear accidents and other very important news, yet they're quite content to suggest to you to believe in aliens, all Muslims are terrorists, Christians are evil and screwed up, taking out the word "God" without public discussion etc?

It's my experience that these tactics are actually starting to backfire in that friends that I know, with really no background in religion (maybe forced Sunday school !), are starting to sense more "evil" in the world and therefore are coming around to the idea that the opposite must therefore exist. People that held such "hope" in Obama for example - they know that they were utterly deceived based on his actions to date. I've seen previous supporters quietly shaking their heads, trying to figure it out.

Religious freedom did exist in this country. It means that you can believe in God, or not, without fearing personal attacks. Even Athiests are noticing an increase in attacks, quite rapid here on ATS, and it's making them start to question. When it comes time to "turn in" that neighbour down the road - you know, that one who reads the Bible, people, including Athiests, will have to make a decision.



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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Ohhh so now i'm working for the PTB, alright CHEQUE PLEASE!


Why are you having a go at me? I said that people who were saying that Atheists were getting more confrontational were the PTB. I never said you were working for the PTB. Read my post again.


You can't handle the fact that there are free thinking people out there eh? it's got to be part of some conspiracy no?


Sorry what is it that I can't handle? Read my post again ye daft brush. I am on the same side as you!


My agenda is that we realize we're all HUMAN BEINGS. on one planet, and that we're screwing it senseless without remorse because our "God" has given us the right to do so.


Well it is not an agenda it is a view point, but yes you are right.



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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I'm not at all saying they are the majority, but the minority is almost always used to stir the majority, that is where the conflict could bloom.


Yes and my point is that the agitating minority are NOT atheists because the nature of an atheist is not to be bothered with stirring up controversy about religion as we know it is a bunch of fairytales in our opinion but also all atheists I know are people who were religious and I don't know one who knocks people for their beliefs.

Because of this you are never in my opinion going to stir the majority of atheists into action against people who believe in different fairytales.

Which ever fairytale you happen to believe in does not bother me. I am happy with what you would call my own fairytale



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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Now you are being like Creationists who claim other Creationists are actually not Creationists because they don't fit their norm. We are not that different after all



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by gremlin2011
why the hell cant we all have our own beliefs without offending another faith??

why isit that whenever i meet somone with religeous view they try and convert me?

do i smell of sin?


If you believed that people who do not trust in Jesus as their personal savior would be going to hell to be punished for all eternity, wouldn't you see it as unloving to not tell everyone you know about Jesus?

Here's an atheist's take on proselytizing/sharing your faith with others in the hope they would also believe:



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Once the UFOs are revealed there will be no more to say from either side!

Those who believe in Demons will find the foundation stronger than ever and those who believe in Aliens will embrace them.

I wonder how easy it will be to open the Heart to such things and believe that they too have feelings and come from across the Universe to Help? Yet the very act of opening the Heart is an act of the Soul Eternal!

No thank you Mr. Alien, I would rather talk to the JW's!



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by jhnsmth
The problem occurs when the leader of their religion makes them believe in the old saying "If you're not with us, you're against us". Instead, I believe that "If you're not with me, then you're somewhere else".


I think you make a very valid point. Those who have this mentality may believe in God for the wrong reasons. They could say, "If you're not with God, then you're against God." This is what I believe, but I also believe I was once against God. I think everyone, especially Christians who genuinely do care for others, need to show respect when engaging with those who do not believe. There's too much condescension coming from self-proclaimed Christians.

I'm firmly convinced that Christians need to be a representative of Christ to everyone around them. They need to think of others more highly than themselves and serve others. This is all biblical, but too many Christians are more focused on "winning" people for Jesus that they forget about the people.


Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.

Phillipians 2:3-4 (ESV)



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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It's an ideological battle mostly on the internet, in my entire life I have gotten into it with a atheist only once, face to face on a break at work. Generally face to face in a group most atheists simply don't have the guts to take a stand and take on a knowledgeable well informed person who believes in creation.
Agnostics on the other hand, is a different story, because their I don't mantra is less offensive to everybody and people have more empathy towards that position, even I do.
Hardcore aggressive atheism is very arrogant. I have no empathy toward that level of total arrogance.
If the atheists thinks that 100% for sure there is no Creator/God, that is delusional intellectual dishonesty influenced by emotionality.
But even if an atheists thinks well there is a 1% chance there could be a Creator/God then they are actually agnostic, and when it comes down to it, there are many agnostics who call themselves atheists.
The only conflict is already here, and it's on the internet.
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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 06:09 PM
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It's not a conflict between Atheism and Creationism, it's a conflict between Creationism and Science. Creationism makes claims that contradict bits and pieces in every field of Science.

Atheism has nothing to do with it. Now, Secularism VS Religion in Government? Might be what you're looking for. Though it's not a violent conflict, and it probably never will be. It's a cultural/political conflict.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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If you ever wanna see christians, muslims, jews, etc in America get along, an open conflict where it's ok to purge atheists will lead to that extremely rapidly. The protestants etc in America though, who are the ones actually preachy, evangelizing currently, I guarantee will just sit there and either do nothing or be the ones talkin peace lol.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Actually, the term agnostic is just an adjective that can be used to describe ones faith. Agnostic means unknowing; the other term commonly used is gnostic, which means knowing.

You have agnostic theists and agnostic atheists, people who believe there is a god or people who believe there is no god, respectively.

Then you have gnostic theists and gnostic atheists, who know that there is a god or know that there is no god, respectively

So calling someone an agnostic doesn't actually mean anything unless you have a noun after it. It would be like calling someone "a stupid"


If the atheists thinks that 100% for sure there is no Creator/God, that is delusional intellectual dishonesty influenced by emotionality.


The same as if someone believes that there 100% is a god/creator



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Yes I know all that, It has been posted many times here on ATS, all you are doing is adding another layer of detail, with semantics.
Most people will say they are either agnostic or atheist, culturally and conceptually they have already thought about their position and ideology, most don't feel the need to add another layer to it. My observation is only the more ultra intellectual types feel the need to add the sub-tag on.




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