And the truth shall set you free!

Nice to see you take an interest in the things I write I would like to answer all of you but if I forget something I am sure you will point out my ignorance.
I don�t think they MASONS are being hypnotised I think they know exactly what they are doing not that they know what is going on the highest of levels but they know what they do is bad.

I have written in the thread called FREEDOM what some of the things I feel is bad about the MASONS. I haven�t said you were brainwashed I made a remark to KENNEDY.

Now LEVELLER I obvious say something you don�t like I can almost feel the anger you had when you wrote that, I don�t have a problem with people disagreeing with me, as I say there should be room for diversity, Why are you calling me a child now that�s not nice, do you really think a child would write as I do, then my textbook English is indeed bad.
Again I don�t say that all that I write is correct and can�t be argued with I like the open discussion I feel at home here.
And now you are calling me a hypocrite as well wow it seems to me that is you who are acting like a little adolescent American twit right now.
If you can�t take the heat then turns on the air conditioner?? I am not sure I know that sayings please explain.
I have not said that MASONS are Satanist, I know they are not Satanist they worship Satan there is a difference.
And spoiled to it will not have an end so what you are saying is that I am spoiled child of an hypocrite that�s constructive thanks for the advise I have learned so much good about the masons now.
Hypocrisy you like that word don�t you hypocrisy hypocrisy hypocrisy sounds funny what does it mean?
I am lying what is it I am lying about? Being a spoiled little hypocrite child? Who am I calling names? I don�t have to like the answers I get back I do have to read them. I am not saying you should tolerate me because I write bad English I am saying that perhaps something gets lost in translation. I am also saying that perhaps we don�t speak the same way in my country we are very direct and we don�t go around corners.
Now I don�t want a warm reception especially from you. Now you are using a funny word again whilst he he you are a funny man I think I like you.
How do you know I have a small brain if you had any brains you would know that the size of your brain has nothing to with intelligence and if it�s not the size of my brain you talking about you know nothing of my knowledge or IQ?

Next living subject Nygdan, well I started a thread about censorship on posting subjects on SECRET SOCIETIES, I wanted to talk about it but could not get the time to do it I was busy writing replies to folks like you. AGAIN I STARTET A THREAD ON CENSORSHIP IN THE SECRET SOCIETIES FORUM. Perhaps this was not the place to put it but I found it logical to put it there when in fact I was about SECRET SOCIETIES I wanted to write.
Good 1st question that has anything to do with this thread, evidence ha ha you are funny yes you can go to this page and read all about the evidence I have + all the pictures of masons in incriminating positions related to this site. www.truthaboutmasonsconnectiontoats.com
I haven�t said anything about evidence I do know by first hand experience that this site don�t like anti-mason threads my eyes don�t lie I know what I read.
In my opinion there are some problems with equality I don�t know if its because they are masons or if it�s because they are friends with the moderators either way it is just what the masons represent and it should not be allowed. now you are taking Kennedy in defence he is probably one of you little buddies and you go out and sacrifice little virgins to but I don�t care I see he�s horns I see he�s tail he is an instrument of Lucifer and the message I wrote to him was a personal message from me to him, that wasn�t an assault but a fact.
(Yes perhaps this can be considered an assault but it�s in retaliation only)
Uhh you like to use that word child don�t you, are you a child? I am not.
I think that one of the reasons this hasn�t been closed yet is exactly because I shouted and made it public perhaps I am wrong but if it was empty talk as you put it would have been closed by now, you can still hope maybe the mod�s are sleeping who knows.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

"All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level
that even the most stupid of those toward it is directed will
understand it. People can be made to perceive paradise as hell, and
the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as
paradise."

[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
I haven�t said you were brainwashed I made a remark to KENNEDY.

Ha! Excellent. I say that people should not call me "Kennedy" unless they went to school with me or have my explicit permission, implying that it would hurt my feelings if you did it. So, like a lamb being led, you proceed to refer to me only as "Kennedy" in your message. How sweet. Perhaps people will have some idea about your personal integrity after this.

Let's see if I can catch lightning in a bottle twice:

Anyone on this thread may refer to themselves as "a Human Being." I also don't mind if they refer to themselves as "a guy" or "a girl." But only those who have my express permission may refer to themselves as "dill-rats."

I have not said that MASONS are Satanist, I know they are not Satanist they worship Satan there is a difference.

What's the difference, exactly?

now you are taking Kennedy in defence he is probably one of you little buddies and you go out and sacrifice little virgins to but I don�t care I see he�s horns I see he�s tail he is an instrument of Lucifer and the message I wrote to him was a personal message from me to him, that wasn�t an assault but a fact.

There are many funny points in this section. First, you once again called me "Kennedy" in an attempt to hurt my feelings. I hope everyone's getting a big eyeful of your tactics.

Secondly, you just implied not only that I am "an instrument of Lucifer," but also that I "sacrifice little virgins." So, let me ask you this: which would you like to do: i) provide some sort of evidence of the proceeding remark, ii) immediately retract it in such a way that any potential employers, girlfriends, relations, etc. will see your retraction, or iii) be sued for libel? In my country, accusing someone of a crime like the one you just accused me of, without very good reason, is considered libel and usually results in large civil awards to the victim. I'm willing to warrant your country has an international agreement on civil law with Canada.

Did I mention that my mother is one of the most prominent constitutional civil / constitutional lawyers in Canada, and that she regularly engages in federal civil actions? Just something for you to chew on.

(Yes perhaps this can be considered an assault but it�s in retaliation only)

In retaliation for what, exactly?

Let me say first of all that I think one of Jahmun's criticisms of Masonry is valid, i.e., the "do good" stuff which we've all, Masons and non-Masons alike, have heard ad nauseum.

I am not here attempting to lower the importance of our fraternity's benefits to the less fortunate, but it's important to recognize that Freemasonry's charities are only a side-effect of the Order's teachings, and not the basis of it. A failing to understand this is a prime contributor of the fraternity being transformed into just another social club that does charity work. There's absolutely nothing wrong with charitable work or social clubs, but Masonry is so much more.

Jahmun, I partially agree with you that Freemasonry's rituals (and to be honest, all rituals of any sort) serve to produce subconscious responses. I would only disagree that this is "hypnotism"...it is simply a method of expressing oneself and one's beliefs in an organized setting.

Some students of Freemasonry, including myself, view Freemasonry as more or less a continuation of the Sacred Mysteries of the ancients. These Sacred Dramas had several purposes, the most easily defined being to unite the congregation in brotherhood through the pledging of good will toward one another, and the presentation of symbols in a system that contained abstract truth, be it philosophical, religious, moral, or scientific.

The esoteric purpose of initiation is to present in an allegory form the internal struggle which leads one to enlightenment. This is the true "secret" of Freemasonry, as well as all so-called secret societies. But it is secret not because it would break the rules to tell anybody, but because it cannot be put into words; it is a purely personal journey.

There are many men of good will and high character who enter the Lodge, and receive evry degree of Masonry, but do not benefit from them in this esoteric manner. Anyone can be initiated into the degrees ritualistically; it doesn't take much work on the part of the Candidate.

But the actual ritual is only symbolic of the true Initiation, which occurs in the heart. It is the internal initiation that is important, not the ceremonial forms in themselves. And as written in a Golden Dawn degree, "God is the Initiator of the heart".

In his book "Mystic Masonry", Dr. J.D. Buck, 33�, mentiones that there are many Masonic Adepts who have never even entered a Lodge, while there are Brethren of the highest degree who in reality are of the Profane. By this, he means that it is what happens inside us that makes us who we are, not the honors of the Lodge, which only symbolize truth, and are not truth in and of themselves

Fiat Lvx.

[edit on 11-8-2004 by Masonic Light]

HEAR, HEAR!!!

I hereby endorse Masonic Light's previous post, in its entirety, 100%.

as an outsider to this entire topic. i believe, like everything else on this planet, there is duality in masonary. everything stated here, is probably true. just like in religion or politics or anything else you can think of; there are the good guys and the bad guys.
there is SO nothing new under the sun!

however, i don't at all agree with keeping a secret like that.
everyone should have access to the mysteries. God knows the profane already do!

[edit on 11-8-2004 by Vs Vortex]

Now alex dont jump me like this i postet this before i read yours
i am sorry for calling you Kennedy Alex Kennedy.

You keep on whining about that Kennedy, you really take it too personally.
I would never mention your name in a certain way to hurt you I can do it easily by describing your aura.
If you are so enlightened I don�t have to explain to you what the difference between worshipping Satan and being a Satanist is now do I?
I have never said you were a devil just that you have horns and a tail.
Yes u sacrifice little virgin crickets is that against the law?
Now please make a better effort to lure me inside a trap because that was a puny attempt even for a mason.
And before you throw some more threats around your BIG BAD mother, perhaps you should know some more about the international standards for filing lawsuits.

But you get ***** for you nice attempt to explain the goodness of masons (the * is not a censored word but something we give out when we a rewarding people for good deeds and ***** is the highest degree you can get)
I like the change you make I find it a little disrupting though, you spew and spit at me and in 1 sec. u turn and is suddenly the nice and understanding mason that is good you humour me keep up the good work Alex Kennedy

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able
to think things out for himself ... Almost inevitably, he comes to
the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest,
insane and intolerable."

[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Now alex dont jump me like this i postet this before i read yours
i am sorry for calling you kennedy alexkennedy.

...but not for calling me a devil or accusing me of killing virgins?

What I HAVE seen is that you don't like masons and agree they are not satanists, but I HAVEN'T seen is how they control free speech or ATS.

You say they block free speech of what (important info??) you have to say. Fine. Problem is, other that rant about being censured...you have said pretty much ZERO. What exactly ARE they censuring? Censuring that you want to talk about them censuring? How circular is THAT logic?


I should start a thread on how the masons are blocking my positive thoughts from taking over the world. Any argument you can put out about this...I can claim it's proof that they ARE blocking me.
It's the Eternal Arguement!!

Nice you are a good moderator, if all I have written can be summed up to I DON�T LIKE MASONS and THEY AINT SATANIST I am not sure I approve of you moderating this thread I call for objectivity and a new moderator I have written about 3 pages and you sum it up to 6 words.

I do feel I am being assaulted and I have to defend my legitimist reasons for posting in here, I am using more energy answering questions and defending this thread from being locked that I am typing what I actually want to write.

And it isn�t the masons that are censoring me directly it is YOU the moderator. And if you had read what I wrote more closely you would have seen this.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

Cowardice asks the question � is it safe?
Expedience asks the question � is it politic?
Vanity asks the question � is it popular?
But conscience asks the question � is it right?

And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither
safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is
right.

[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

One would hope that the topic starter would introduce some substance into his/her posts, instead of padding them out with irrelevant ramblings about him or herself & opinions on other posters.

"The truth shall set you free" - h'mm. I am yet to see one skerrick of proof about ANYTHING, just great swathes of self-indulgent rants. Get to the point, Neohelmet, because all you're doing is making a lot of noise signifying nothing. And it's getting REALLY boring. You sound like a troll IMO.

First...thank you Bastet! Made complete sense with a point and it ONLY took ONE sentence.

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
I do feel I am being assaulted and I have to defend my legitimist reasons for posting in here, I am using more energy answering questions and defending this thread from being locked that I am typing what I actually want to write.

Then write it. You spent like 8 hours here and have said masons censure you with out saying what, or how, or why. Now it's not them...it's just me. You have this important info that someone does want to get out? Do I need to hold a spotlight for you? Mr. Helmet...the world is waiting. What is it they don't want you to say?

Personally, THEY don't want me to talk about the ____ ______....ummm, oh oh...I just said that. Hope they don't censure this.
[Censured by the High Mason Council]

And it isn�t the masons that are censoring me directly it is YOU the moderator. And if you had read what I wrote more closely you would have seen this.

I guess it has NOTHING to do with masons or secret societies, it's just a problem with the moderators or me. Fine, I'll move it to the Rants Forum then and you can bash me all day if that is what you want.

That will be your proof then that masons or I am not censuring you. You can have your own little rant thread and go on all day about you getting censured and nobody would mind. It could be your Testament to Anti-censureship. Hmmm, I even gave you a catchy title. How great is that?

Well I was on my way to bed but I can see that won�t happen, if I don�t respond fast enough you have now threatened me with the removal of this thread.

1st: Basten don�t even start you just the annoying little outsider coming in here to bitch why do you even bother are you some kind of point/score wanabee that just have to bitch in every thread?
And you are calling me a troll then I suppose I can call you a cat lover but what has that to do with this thread?

There is not much more I have to say to you MOD you did prohibit me from writing what I wanted to write on the masons, no matter what your excuse is you can just read your post�s again and you have your evidence there. Now I didn�t make this thread to defend my principles to a MOD I have made it clear why have started this thread read my 1st post.
Now don�t try to get this thread of topic, you are actually putting traps out MOD can you do that don�t you have ethics or at least another account you can log in with when you do it?
I find it very wrong when a MOD behaves the way you do, you have a personal grudge and a trying to get me, a MOD should be neutral at all times.

THIS IS ABOUT MASONS NOW STOP THAT BULL MOD!
THIS THREAD BELONGS IN THE SECRET SOCIETY FORUM!

There are many who wants to talk about this subject but are afraid because you troll them and bully them the instant the say a word in here, I can understand why the masons do it at least I respect them for that they hold to their beliefs as they should, but you moderating doesn�t mean you get to bully people around and suppress them with your almighty power!

THIS IS AN ANTI MASON THREAD GET IT?
We are keeping to subject so don�t I repeat don�t threaten me about closing this thread I am tired of it.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

"Most people find it impossible to accept that a few people can
manipulate the lives of billions and operate through all
institutions and countries."

[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

Originally posted by AlexKennedy

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
I haven�t said you were brainwashed I made a remark to KENNEDY.

Ha! Excellent. I say that people should not call me "Kennedy" unless they went to school with me or have my explicit permission, implying that it would hurt my feelings if you did it. So, like a lamb being led, you proceed to refer to me only as "Kennedy" in your message. How sweet. Perhaps people will have some idea about your personal integrity after this.

Let's see if I can catch lightning in a bottle twice:

Anyone on this thread may refer to themselves as "a Human Being." I also don't mind if they refer to themselves as "a guy" or "a girl." But only those who have my express permission may refer to themselves as "dill-rats."

I have not said that MASONS are Satanist, I know they are not Satanist they worship Satan there is a difference.

What's the difference, exactly?

now you are taking Kennedy in defence he is probably one of you little buddies and you go out and sacrifice little virgins to but I don�t care I see he�s horns I see he�s tail he is an instrument of Lucifer and the message I wrote to him was a personal message from me to him, that wasn�t an assault but a fact.

There are many funny points in this section. First, you once again called me "Kennedy" in an attempt to hurt my feelings. I hope everyone's getting a big eyeful of your tactics.

Secondly, you just implied not only that I am "an instrument of Lucifer," but also that I "sacrifice little virgins." So, let me ask you this: which would you like to do: i) provide some sort of evidence of the proceeding remark, ii) immediately retract it in such a way that any potential employers, girlfriends, relations, etc. will see your retraction, or iii) be sued for libel? In my country, accusing someone of a crime like the one you just accused me of, without very good reason, is considered libel and usually results in large civil awards to the victim. I'm willing to warrant your country has an international agreement on civil law with Canada.

Did I mention that my mother is one of the most prominent constitutional civil / constitutional lawyers in Canada, and that she regularly engages in federal civil actions? Just something for you to chew on.

(Yes perhaps this can be considered an assault but it�s in retaliation only)

In retaliation for what, exactly?

Hey Jelly Bean!
Nice to run into your sorry ass again.
Not too frequently now, eh?
Only on these screwed up Mason related threads seeing that this is the only forum suitable to put up with your intellectual ineptness.

Really, who gives a crap about your friendly little boys club.

You are all puppets living in a dreamworld and your never ending chatter and attempts at clever belittlement of others is just slightly more than annoying.

Are you some kind of monitor for 'The Firm' that spreads disinformation to the masses in hopes of distracting the negative attention that your club receives?
Funny too, how you all rely on the bible and jesus when the going gets tough. Good for you. Such a nice wholesome lad. Praise jesus, hallelujah!

That surely makes you all just the nicest, most well intended folk around, doesn't it?

We're not curious about the minions that are the bottom feeders, as they haven't the slightest. It is the apex of the pyramid and their quest for world domination that has us interested. Go ahead, that should be a juicy one for you. Bring it on!

Masons are nothing more than confused souls who feel the need to belong to a group, a boys club, a cheery bunch of ladies all hugging and singing songs and making secret oaths to do this and do that. Don't you have some nifty costumes as well? Sharp looking aren't they?

You can dispute any and all allegations as to what Masonry is. You have been sworn to do so and you probably fear to death speaking otherwise. The majority of its members most likely are good people, but good people who have been brainwashed into a game of 'secret'. Yeah, that's it....let's play a game of 'secret'

Don't worry, I won't be offended by your halfwit remarks and your schoolboy insults - we are all getting used to you by now.

The bit about your mother really made me laugh.
Are you joking me? What, are you twelve?

You are an embarassment to Canada and Canadians alike

Besides, Isn't it unchristian to sue? Aren't you supposed to turn the other cheek?

Sorry mispost on the wrong topic.

[edit on 12-8-2004 by Darktalon]

Alright...

Maybe someone else can get something out of this other than "Zedd's a big meanie an won't let me say what I want to say, I can say it, I should be allowed to, but I they won't let me, I should be able to, but he is a MOD, I want to say it, you have no right for me to not say it, I will say it you bully, but quit trying to stop me...".

It's like the great eternal circle of logic.

Maybe it could be a bash Zedd secret society and then it SHOULD be here.
Oh wait, I know about it...guess it's not secret.

Just for the record, I have been asking you to say what you want to say about secret societies all day and many people on both sides of the issue has seen that. Ample time to say anything you wish. Every attempt seems to lead back to "quit trying to censure me". I'm done. Anyone else?

Well this will be my final post for some hours now I am tired and the words a starting to look like a small cartoon without meaning.
I will again try to make a point to what this thread is about.
This thread is about the influence that masons have on this forum!
This thread is about the moderators doing the masons work!
This thread is about freedom to say what you want to say when you want to say it!

I find it to be good that the masons are arguing on how good they are, they should be allowed to express their views as well as us.
The masons are nothing more than a tool to suppress true knowledge they are hiding behind religion and that�s ok a lot of people do that like fanatic Muslims.
I like that they say that masons has anything to do with the art of masonry today there is a lot more non masons (of the art that this) than there are true masons, they have joined this so-called intellectual band of brothers, why not sisters?? And it does something for them none the less it is bad.
Masons where founded by people like the Rothschild�s and are nothing more than a tool for the new world order.
We know the truth about you little devil worshipping conspiracy, nothing you have said in this thread can argue with this you behave exactly as the ones you condemn.
I don�t quote the bible when I don�t now what to say, maybe I don�t say anything but that is your opinion fine I got it but my little ignorant brain cant see that in my head I am actually saying something.

I find that the infectious disease of free masonry has spread to this forum, you have brainwashed some of the moderators in here or maybe they are just as ignorant as me.

I would like to say sorry to one person in here it�s Masonic Light he has said nothing to deserve my bashing against the free masons, but I still think that the propaganda he spews is just another way you use to infect other people with you Satan loving gossip.

We know the truth about you, don�t you ever think something else, and we know that you know we know.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing (in the right hands)."


[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

In my humble opinion, lock and or delete this thread, its bull#!

Originally posted by Khonsu
In my humble opinion, lock and or delete this thread, its bull#!

here it is a briliant exemple of some ones idea about....humm...free speach!

but it is a just a "humble" opinion after all...

althow, if you just anailze the way some peolpe had talking here, i think it is clear where the "free speach starts" and where the "free speach ends"...lol

Like somebody said earlier: this thread was entitled "The Truth Shall Set You Free".

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is still no substance of any sort being posted by the accusers here.
NeonHelmet has written droves, yet all his message is containing is the accusation that Freemasonry is bad. There is the vague accusation of Satanic worship but again, absolutely nothing to reference it against other than an opinion. If as you say, the point is now that Freemasons have some influence on this forum, you need to take your thread elsewhere. It doesn't actually belong in Secret Societies. I can tell you, that after being here at ATS for 18 months now, that your statement of bias is without foundation. For those 18 months I've had to deal with the same prejudice that you are displaying now (most of it far more intelligently put than your drivel) and not once has a forum moderator stepped in to tip the blance in my favour. Just like anyone else, I have found myself subject to the same rules as anyone else - I've also been edited and warned like everyone else who crosses the line, so your accusation of favouritism is totally without merit.
If you want to be heard, stop whining and post something that can be replied to properly.

By the way NeonHelmet. I'm not American. I've made it clear time and time again that I'm British. You obviously haven't read a word in this forum. So why whine on and on about your so called freedom of speech and how it's sanctity in a Secret Society forum shouldn't be broached, when you can't even be bothered to read the contents of said forum?
Also, I'm not angry. I learnt not to get angry with people like yourself long ago. Why get angry at somebody for being stupid and lazy in their arguments? Unfortunately it's a human trait that there seems to be plenty of about. It's just a pity that you feel a need to display it so blatantly.

Finally, I'm glad that you profess to like me. It's nice to be nice, isn't it? I only wish that I could return the feeling.