Proposed NASA Budget Bill Would Cancel James-Webb Telescope

Proposed NASA Budget Bill Would Cancel Major Space Telescope

This is absurd. Its a possibility the James Web Telescope could be cancelled. Lets remember one of the Bails outs alone Costed 4.6 TRILLION DOLLARS

Proposed NASA Budget Bill Would Cancel Major Space Telescope

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More will be added give me time

UPDATE****

WASHINGTON — The House appropriations panel that oversees NASA unveiled a 2012 spending bill July 6 that would pull the plug on the budget-busting James Webb Space Telescope as part of a broader $1.6 billion cut that would roll back spending on the nation’s civil space program to pre-2008 levels.

The $16.8 billion top-line figure, released July 6 in draft legislation from the House Appropriations commerce, justice, science subcommittee, is nearly $2 billion less than U.S. President Barack Obama’s 2012 budget request for NASA.

The draft appropriations bill, which the subcommittee is scheduled to vote on July 7, also includes $1.95 billion for the Space Launch System — the heavy-lift rocket Congress ordered NASA to build for deep space exploration. The proposed 2012 funding level is $150 million more than the heavy lifter got for 2011, but some $700 million below the amount recommended in the NASA Authorization Act of 2010, which became law in October.

One of the proposed bill's features is the cancellation of NASA's over-budget James Webb Space Telescope, an ambitious $6.5 billion infrared observatory designed to peer deeper into the universe that the iconic Hubble Space Telescope.

In November 2010, an independent panel found that the new space telescope would cost an extra $1.5 billion and launch no earlier than September 2015, more than a year later than planned. Management and budget missteps were cited as the trouble, the panel found. [Video: James Webb Telescope's Tricky Deployment]

The bill also would provide $812 million for the Joint Polar Satellite System, or JPSS, being developed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

That amount would be an increase of $430 million from the amount appropriated for the program in 2011 but $258 million less than the agency requested. In total, NOAA would receive $4.49 billion next year, $103 million less than was appropriated for 2011 and $1 billion less than the administration’s request for 2012.

With all the Money The U.S Government Spends on the Military the Vast Trillions and Trillions that are given to the Bankster Bail-outs and The Military Industrial Complex.

Can All of Us Astronomy And Space Fans (Nerds) and/or Space Enthusiasts who have interest in space Not just have this one Space-Telescope or does The U.S feel it more important to give the Banksters And Corporations Billions in Tax Breaks and Trillions in Funding /Bail-outs to them and The Military Industrial Complex.

How much money has already been put into this thing?

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This much


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reply to post by TheUniverse


Thats gross.
I was talking about the telescope specifically though

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^^^^ in the Update I Edited it
Second line

This Bill will never pass and if it does a very affluent individual or group of individuals will privately fund it. It is the single most important research and study project ever to be launched by human beings!

reply to post by TheUniverse


i was more mad about not going back to the moon for 2018 ish .. Thanks to bama for cutting that program. it was behind schedule and budget but still dammit!





this is suppose to be one very high tech toy with many goodies for us to dip our beautiful curiosity of the vast universe ! but now !!!

nooooooo!!!!


bail out the banks but kick the can for the nasa program


i dislike .....somebody gonna get a hurt real bad!


op your pic does no justice for the jwt

reply to post by misfitofscience


Never say never i wouldn't be so sure about that myself ; if i were you

Look what happened to SETI.

That was mostly funded by private individuals and it got mostly shut-down. (Not all though)



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op your pic does no justice for the jwt

Thank-you i wanted to get the thread up fast before it got too late maybe i'll add more pics as well

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I changed the Pic in the Op for you

Strange, isn't the JWST a partnership between ESA, NASA and the Canadian Space Agency?

www.esa.int...

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Most of the funding is probably from NASA. I'm not certain of the details.

WASHINGTON — The House appropriations panel that oversees NASA unveiled a 2012 spending bill July 6 that would pull the plug on the budget-busting James Webb Space Telescope as part of a broader $1.6 billion cut that would roll back spending on the nation’s civil space program to pre-2008 levels.

The $16.8 billion top-line figure, released July 6 in draft legislation from the House Appropriations commerce, justice, science subcommittee, is nearly $2 billion less than U.S. President Barack Obama’s 2012 budget request for NASA.

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Or so you think it was mostly shut down!

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www.space.com...

Proposed NASA Budget Bill Would Cancel Major Space Telescope

One of the proposed bill's features is the cancellation of NASA's over-budget James Webb Space Telescope, an ambitious $6.5 billion infrared observatory designed to peer deeper into the universe that the iconic Hubble Space Telescope.

Yea, it's not looking too good for the space program right now or anything involving space. SETI was a big disappointment for me, probably the gov't got tired of spending millions of dollars covering up alien signals lolz.

Now, they're getting tired of editing pictures and keeping space stuff away from the public so they might as well force no more telescopes to be launched into the air. Definitely not a better telescope with more high tech equipment. Not, until they learn how to edit the pictures!!!! And if this doesn't pass, and they do send up the telescope guess what? They learned how to edit the software

I can't believe people aren't more in arms about this on ATS. The damn telescope is already 75% constructed, if not more. Most of the money is already spent. And now, our country will fall further into the science hole, and it seems like the teabaggers in Congress are more concerned with giving fat cat corporations massive tax breaks than anything having do with being a leading country in the science field.

Unfortunately, unless a major stellar event that disrputs our way of life, or China gets to the moon, we won't focus on space travel.

And this IS what you get when you vote in tea party fools who couldn't even name the planets in our solar system. Hopefully the populace wakes up before we dig ourselves too deep of a hole to ever return to the top.

The telescope is like 6 billion dollars over budget. Who the hell goes 6 billion over budget on a 1 billion dollar program?

NASA cannot and is not being run efficiently. Once they quit paying 5000 dollars per bolt they can have money to build their stuff.

Also it is important to note that the majority of that bail-out money has been paid back. NASA won't be paying anything back.

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Yea, so they go 5 billion overbudget, so when it's 5 billion over-budget, the telescope is almost done, and all the money's been spent outside of what's required for launch, you cancel it? Are you kidding? How dumb is that? It's incredibly short sighted. You have to cancel this thing early or you have to see it through. You don't pull out when it's 95% done. THAT is about as big of an efficiency frack up as the NASA guys, considering there was MAX another 500-1 billion to spend, which is a drop in the bucket compared to our actual national debt. Having the James Webb Space Telescope up there on schedule would NOT change anything on any noticeable scale in terms of the national debt.

Let's break it down using a more accessible analogy:
You are getting a custom car built from scratch. It's taking too long and was dramatically overbudget. But, it's 95% done. The mechanic, a contractor, has been receiving payments on the labor and you obviously paid for the parts up front. One day, your wife gets fired, so you have to go over the bills. You then decide to whack the car, because the price might go up by a couple hundred bucks before the end. The mechanic says no refunds, and you let him keep the car and eat the tens of thousands of dollars you spent in the name of "tough choices", while you could have just waited a couple weeks.

It's retarded economic policy from a Teabagger dominated Republican Party, who won't touch (or even call out) our massively bloated defense department, when a real quick fix for anyone in politics who has a set of balls and a big perch is to CUT ON DEFENSE. 25% to start. And believe me, I'm just a frustrated at the Democrats for not saying the same thing.

We, as a country, need to GROW UP. Western Europe and every other civilized, developed country has grown out of their militaristic/facist war boner phase besides the United States. We're the annoying 13 year olds of the world, except in our family, we're running the house!

Maybe once we grow up as a country, we'll start to re-assert our global leadership again.

And if you think we're going to get a refund on the stuff we paid for, I think "massive space telescope" is kind of a non refundable item.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Yea, it's not looking too good for the space program right now or anything involving space. SETI was a big disappointment for me, probably the gov't got tired of spending millions of dollars covering up alien signals lolz.

Now, they're getting tired of editing pictures and keeping space stuff away from the public so they might as well force no more telescopes to be launched into the air. Definitely not a better telescope with more high tech equipment. Not, until they learn how to edit the pictures!!!! And if this doesn't pass, and they do send up the telescope guess what? They learned how to edit the software

This SETI analogy is retarded, and it's come up from more than one person in this thread. SETI was a privately funded program based on, at best (and that's straining it) an educated guess on how we MIGHT detect signals from other worlds in outer space.

In another 100 years, we won't even be transmitting signals that other civilizations can pick up. That's right, for only 200 out of our 50,000+ years on this planet, that's our SETI window. Now obviously things will change in the future, but the idea that we'll be able to detect a signal using the current method is pretty much hitting the comsic powerball, then getting in a plane crash, surviving, and then dying via lightning strike.

The idea behind it was terrible. We always should have focused more on the Kepler mission and our terrestrial planet finder stuff. The idea that we'll make first contact via the comsic equivalent of an act of God is not exactly playing the good odds.

The James Webb Space Telescope, right now, is the most advanced and most important object yet to continue to understand our universe in detail. SETI was a long shot guestimation based on a pipe dream. The technology and mission of the Webb telescope is based on factual evidence and questions we need answered so that we can continue to grow as a species.

***** UPDATE ********

www.space.com...

Astronomers are up in arms over proposed congressional budget cuts that would cancel an ambitious but over-budget space observatory that has been pegged as the successor to NASA's Hubble Space Telescope.

The House Appropriations subcommittee that oversees NASA proposed a 2012 spending bill last week that would terminate the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) as part of wider-reaching cutbacks that would reset the agency's budget at pre-2008 levels.

"JWST will lay the foundation on which a better understanding of the early universe will be built," Debra Elmegreen, president of the American Astronomical Society, said in a statement. "It has the potential to transform astronomy even more than the Hubble Space Telescope did, and it will serve thousands of astronomers in the decades ahead. We cannot abandon it now." [

Seems everyone is in Up-roar about the possible cancellations of the JWST(James-Webb-Space-Telescope)

It will be a sad day for science if they do cancel the mission/project.

Originally posted by TheUniverse
***** UPDATE ********

www.space.com...

Astronomers are up in arms over proposed congressional budget cuts that would cancel an ambitious but over-budget space observatory that has been pegged as the successor to NASA's Hubble Space Telescope.

The House Appropriations subcommittee that oversees NASA proposed a 2012 spending bill last week that would terminate the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) as part of wider-reaching cutbacks that would reset the agency's budget at pre-2008 levels.

"JWST will lay the foundation on which a better understanding of the early universe will be built," Debra Elmegreen, president of the American Astronomical Society, said in a statement. "It has the potential to transform astronomy even more than the Hubble Space Telescope did, and it will serve thousands of astronomers in the decades ahead. We cannot abandon it now." [

Seems everyone is in Up-roar about the possible cancellations of the JWST(James-Webb-Space-Telescope)

It will be a sad day for science if they do cancel the mission/project.

edit on 12-7-2011 by TheUniverse because: (no reason given)

With the rejection of the budget bill this week by Obama it looks like the axe is stopped for the time being. I don't think they will be cutting it after all.