Aliens are BS

reply to post by MathematicalPhysicist


Hi,

You sound like "I'm a Scientist".. and behave in the same way too. Is it you?

On topic...

Such faith in science is a good thing, and yet so too is understanding Science is still in it's Infancy and has a bright future ahead of it yet to come. It is my hope that many things science claims as fact now will be overturned in the future.. as it usually has been in the past.

Until then what you are offering is only your opinons based on your limited perspective.. and you must agree it does have some limitations otherwise you would be the only person on Earth who Knows Everything,

How do you decide who has had alien contact and who is telling lies for some stupid reason? Or do you pile all the experiencers into the one Crazy Basket?

If your experience is of science, education and a life of academia, then how would you understand what others experience of life that does not fit in your paradigm?

No offence meant with these questions, I'm just trying to find some even ground to understand you better.

If the believers in this thread fought as hard for freedom in the real world as they do for something yet to exist in this world then the world might be worth saving.

It's not, and that is why life only exists anywhere for less than the blink of an eye.

The chances of two signs of life meeting in the endless ions is so minute it isn't even worth thinking about. Unless of course you are a fatcat movie producer or a astronomical scientist with a budget to procure.

Like I said...ball of dirt, enjoy the ride.

Goodnight and congratulations on feeding the fantasy.

Not all people who believe in UFO's and/or aliens do so because of YouTube videos showing fuzzy lights. Some people profess to have seen them with their own eyes, clearly and not at all fuzzy, sometimes in broad daylight and often with other witnesses present. Many of these people are pilots, scientists, or other professions that suggest some level of expertise as to the identity of what they're looking at.

I do not expect you to take people at their word and frankly I hope you don't. You have to find your own evidence for your beliefs. Some people are willing to believe in aliens based on the massive amounts of witness testimony out there... some people aren't willing to believe it until publicly verifiable evidence has been presented.

But I'm sorry to say, as long as there are witnesses, the phenomenon will continue. The fact that not everybody on the planet shares your level of healthy skepticism clearly frustrates you. I think you need a thicker skin, buddy, because you better get used to it.

P.S. World of Warcraft? Video games? ... What, really??

Originally posted by OUNjahhryn
just out of curiosity than, did you come to the conclusion that your ufo was a secret military project?

If the military have very small orange glowing orbs in tucked away Welsh forests maybe.

More chance it was a woodland fairy though.

well however, you say why would aliens pick earth? well IF there are intelligent life in our galaxy that are able to travel in space, to me earth would be a great place to go and be relevant. obviously we havent found any near by planets that contain life, so i would say the same could be said for other civilizations, likely the odds of finding a planet with life on it would probably be a vast distance away, so in finding it, wouldnt you wanna travel there and explore it. In all likely hood earth could possibly be one of those planets within that range.

so aliens dont exsist? can you show me proof? there isnt much proof to prove or disprove the exsistance of aliens visiting earth. same as an above comment, angels, demons, gods ect, can you tell me exactly what they were? where they come from? why were they here? and where did they go? they came from the sky hmmm. Im sure our ancestors that drew painting made carvings were surely doing it out of what they saw, and tried to interpret what it was they seen. As for what they were building back then out of stone, surely someone must have told them how to do it and made it easy for them, you dont build a stucture out of 2.2 millions stones without it being some type of simplicity to it. what about the "stone of the pregnant woman" a rock weighing in at 2 million lbs. care to tell me how they moved and intented to move it? what about the extream percision at which things were cut?

As well as nowadays, what is it people are seeing? i know not all of what people see are ufos but some of them must be something out of the ordinary. you meant to tell me that what everything that people see is explainable. Mass haluccinations? really? you mean to tell me that hundreds of people all see the same thing. come on, there is something going on here. Have we been visited? i dont know but there seems to be some strange things in our past and present.

Originally posted by nerbot
The chances of two signs of life meeting in the endless ions is so minute it isn't even worth thinking about.

That's very interesting. Clearly in order to propose such chances, you must know precisely what the odds are of intelligent civilizations evolving throughout the universe, what the chances are of developing the capability to travel between stars over a thousand years, a million years, and a billion years, and what the nature of these civilizations would be, to suggest whether or not they might have an interest in our own planet Earth.

I'd be VERY interested in learning how it is that you know all this, considering the rest of the world's scientific community is not even certain what the odds are that bacterial life evolved on the planet next door in our own solar system.

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL

Originally posted by MathematicalPhysicist

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
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Just because there is an probability for something to be true, does not make it true and factual

Unless your talking about infinities. In a universal infinite even a dog with a beak for a tail and bread stick for legs can "statically" exist.

ALS

But, until it is proven to exist, then we are to dismiss such entities to the realm of science-fiction.

Yes but its mathematically possible, isn't that proof enough. Seems to be when we talk about other "accepted" scientific theories.

ALS

Wormholes are also mathematically possible. Tachyons (imaginary particles that travel faster than light speed) are mathematically possible. Negative discriminants also have mathematical albeit imaginary solutions and are mathematically possible. However, in the real world, these phenomena do not exist and are only realities in the realm of abstract and pure mathematics.

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Nerbot, where did your dead eyed skepitism come from? It seems not so long ago your where quite open-minded to the matter (perhaps more-so than me)

Airport scanners = Alien detectors.

ALS

I do not believe in aliens for the reasons that you listed.

While somewhat entertaining, I do not get my information from UFO Hunters. I also do not believe that the History Channel is milking off the gullible.

Hey Folks

If you don't mind me interrupting here, despite the contents of the opening post, many members have actually started a decent discussion on the topic, we would like for the discussion to continue, please help by keeping it civil and on topic

Thanks

Originally posted by TheGuyThatThinksClearly
They aren't real. There is absolutely No proof except fuzzy lights.
No Spaceship
No Alien

You're entitled to your opinion.

People are getting conclusions from
History Channel specials
Ancient Aliens
and UFO Hunters
And Bias UFO Book from Money happy authors.

Maybe, but we're entitled to our opinion as well. What is it hurting?

The History channel is just capitalizing on gullible people/ children....

ok no one can argue with that

Noone believes this stuff except Gullible and (Maybe Uneducated)adults, extreme gullible children who have grown up playing world of warcraft, or other video games, watching cartoons, or some scifi TV show and are living in a fantasy land..

Why does this not get a "manners and decorum" sticker?

Not every lil light in the sky, ancient graffiti, or ancient graffiti statue are the Pleadians..

nope, some are lightning bugs and various stars, maybe even Elenin if we're lucky

People will continue to make hoaxes on youtube because they know gullible people/children who want to believe everything will take that seriously..

Some of those people believe what they're saying, no need to insult or make assumptions as to their motives - just go watch another channel

Not every light in the sky is the reptiles..

LOL thats a new one for me - reptiles in the sky

THATS HOW YOU GET THE "LULZ"

People repeat the Universe is "infinite" so out of those Billion/trillions of stars and planets why the hell would aliens pick earth???

Cause we're the funnest

Oh no I don't believe in aliens..!!!!!

Thats cool, no ones trying to convince you specifically.

Does that make me a Troll, probably so according to some of the kids on this site.

No, it doesn't - but telling people they are gullible and/or uneducated when they have "faith" in something, absolutely DOES.

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
reply to post by nerbot

 

Nerbot, where did your dead eyed skepitism come from? It seems not so long ago your where quite open-minded to the matter (perhaps more-so than me)

Airport scanners = Alien detectors.

ALS

They told me not to say.

edit....actually, visiting this place has made me more skeptical about aliens.

You guys rock, thanks for the sanity. Keep up the
ignorant good work.

Originally posted by Tayesin
reply to post by MathematicalPhysicist

 

Hi,

Hello.

Originally posted by Tayesin
You sound like "I'm a Scientist".. and behave in the same way too. Is it you?

No, that is not me and I have absolutely no idea who that user is.

Originally posted by TayesinSuch faith in science is a good thing, and yet so too is understanding Science is still in it's Infancy and has a bright future ahead of it yet to come. It is my hope that many things science claims as fact now will be overturned in the future.. as it usually has been in the past.

Yes, indeed, I agree with you. Our knowledge of science is not absolute at all, and we may possibly have the technology to travel through the cosmos, whether it be in 100 or 500 years. However, as our understanding of science today, it just an impossibility at this time.

Originally posted by TayesinUntil then what you are offering is only your opinons based on your limited perspective.. and you must agree it does have some limitations otherwise you would be the only person on Earth who Knows Everything,

Limited perspective is a loaded statement. I offer my opinion based off of our current knowledge of science, which is credibly backed by countless experiments and observations. If you can completely contradict by means of experimentation our understanding of thermodynamics, relativity, and energy conservation, then by all means. Until then, we should be able to conclude that those scientific facts and laws cannot be violated and are sound.

Originally posted by TayesinHow do you decide who has had alien contact and who is telling lies for some stupid reason? Or do you pile all the experiencers into the one Crazy Basket?

Exactly. We can't, which is why many have chosen to remain skeptical, despite the supposed plethora of evidence. Although some are even irrationally skeptical, can you blame them? With all the crackpots claiming they saw UFO's and the government is covering it up, does it not become really difficult for rational minds to blindly trust such sources? Not to mention all of the fake UFO videos that infest youtube and have been debunked as hoaxes and camera effects.

Originally posted by TayesinIf your experience is of science, education and a life of academia, then how would you understand what others experience of life that does not fit in your paradigm?

The least we can expect them to do is substantiate their claims with some form of evidence, no? You can't really blame people for not accepting personal accounts and sketchy videos that contradict our established laws of physics, can you?

Originally posted by TayesinNo offence meant with these questions, I'm just trying to find some even ground to understand you better.

None taken, and this discussion is interesting. I eagerly await your response.

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ATS made me more skepitcal than I was before I joined up. But after a while I learned to wade through the crap and find my own truths.

ALS

I do not deny that there are those who have experienced an abduction by something. I do not deny that there are those who have "seen" something in their bedrooms, or in the darkest corners of their minds.

I will not even deny the physical craft/lights that people have seen because most are "Unidentified". I do not think what people are experiencing are from "outer space", but rather from "inner space".

The Demons of "old" are the Aliens of "now", let's just say they are the "New Demons"! Re-marketed for the masses!

I also believe that each and everyone of us is a temple within of which stands both good and evil.

With aliens we must choose to believe, and with demons we must choose to denounce; the choice is ours and ours alone. So I believe and I denounce Aliens/Demons! Sometimes I meet people whom I adore and sometimes I meet people I must push away; the differences are within!

AGAIN

You are free to attack theories, explanations, posts, etc. but not fellow members.


As well Please do Not respond to Staff Notes, in thread drawing the topic even further afield.

TIA