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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Yesterday started as any normal day at church, we walk around and greet eachother and the visitors after being separated for a week, followed by worship. On many a given sunday i can feel the Holy Spirit move through our church, but yesterday it was so very very strong. The songs came and with each passing minute i began to feel more and more the wonder/glory/awe/joy erupt and wash over me and i tried to hold onto it once our pastors' sermon began, the whole while i was trembling with exertion trying to contain the Holy Spirit's message until i could hold on no more and i began to testify before the church. The message was "the Lord has NOT forgotten us, he is coming right now, we WILL be rescued, make way, make way for the King is coming!" The message was so urgent and desperate i felt as though it was a warning for us to hold fast and be ready, and i immediately hit my knees and knelt in front of the altar, i felt as though i was indeed in the presence of our King, and all i wanted to do was kneel down and never get up.
Afterwards when service was ending i talked to my pastor and described to him what i was feeling, of the joy and awe, of feeling like i was in the presence of Jesus himself in all his Glory, that while trying to hold onto the message i could feel my spirit battling my body during worhip and the summon, my spirit was literally catching a glimpse of heaven and it was the most wonderful feeling in the universe. I felt like a star had burst into life inside me and i began to get hotter and hotter on the outside, the Holy Fire felt like i was being consumed and if i held onto his message any longer i thought i would burst into flames. At the end i was left feeling drained, like i had just took on a wrestling match with someone 10 times my size and 10 times my weight, and my pastor told me when the Holy Spirit comes to go ahead and surrender, even if it is during service, for the message it gives is more important than his because its coming from the Lord himself.
Be ready, it will not be much longer, our Lord's day draws near, in our lifetimes. Have courage and hold fast, soon we can go home!
Originally posted by XtraTL
reply to post by Fatgoblin
What has already happened? Jesus came and died on the cross and rose again from the dead. He then sent his Holy Spirit. That already happened.
As for Harold Camping, he's a nutter. The Bible is very clear that no one knows the day or the hour. Mainstream Christians did not go out saying Camping was right. Indeed, many went out saying he was wrong, and they had very specific evidence to back it up too. Camping was already wrong about it once before.
He's precisely the sort of guy the Bible warns us about.
He is one of those people that say Christians should flee their churches. On the contrary the Bible says not to forsake the meeting together of Christians and that we know that people who decide to up and leave were never part of us in the first place.
You'd be deluding yourself if you thought Camping was a good reason to write off Christians.
He thinks he's getting some super special personal revelation of the truth only available to him
I don't do personal secret versions and interpretations of God's gift of grace to the whole world.
Originally posted by XtraTL
reply to post by Fatgoblin
A world in probation cannot be any other way.
It's meant to be foolishness to the world but it is wisdom to those who accept it. Why? Because the world wants it to be about fame, money, greed, power, good looks, soppy romantic love and all those other things people want to sell you, or about some secret knowledge only the "enlightened" who join secret societies know or about a long list of good deeds you have racked up to earn your place or how religious and pious you act. God wants it to be about his free gift to the whole world, not something you get on account of something you are or have or have done!
As for repentance in the "very" last days, as you insist it be put (I used the phrase "very end", meaning after the last days, when Jesus actually returns). I said it would be a foolish strategy to leave it until the very end to repent. I did not say you could not repent in the "last days". The reason it would be foolish to leave it until then is because you may just find yourself hardened in your rebellion as described in the verses I quoted. You might be fooled by the false signs and wonders that are supposed to happen towards the end. You might fall for the strong delusion. The only way you can hope to guard against that is through faith itself. That kind of rules out not repenting.
The point is that it is those who are hardened in their rebellion who will not repent.
Maybe you are exemplifying what I was warning that guy about? If you keep rejecting God whilst you can repent, you may get to the point where you actually hate God. So even if you stood right before him you wouldn't *want* to serve him.
This is what I mean by being hardened. You are hardened in your resolve against God. What good is it to leave it until then to repent? You won't do it anyway! Of course the end didn't come yet, as you pointed out. So it looks like you still have time to change your mind if you ever decide you want to. The alternative seems pretty obvious.
Originally posted by GiantKiller
When the Bible says at the last trump
Originally posted by Grievere
Thank you for the message, I too have been feeling as though the end is near.
I am a Christian but as of now I am not worthy of the title.
I sin just as any other
but upon hearing this message I am inspired to restore my faith and strengthen myself in the Lord.
To the naysayers I say this, It would be wise for you to live your life believing in God and then Die and find out that there is nothing,and he doesnt exist.
Than for you to Live your life in disbelief and then Die, and tremble before the Lord.
better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it your choice
If you dont like the topic dont read...dont post.
Originally posted by Pardon?
I always enjoy reading threads about christianity and religions in general but one thing has always bothered me about it, christianity that is.
If I ever decide to start believing in the Bible and accepting that it's god's true word ergo becoming a dyed-in-the-wool christian, will I have to become smug, pompous, self-righteous and condescending or can I just stay as I am?
Originally posted by OverMan
Matthew 16:4
"A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed."
I am not a christian but I do understand when a bible verse applies to a particular subject.
and then some will wonder what to do about these people seeking signs...
Revelation 22:11
"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."
Not so difficult to understand now is it?
Not even attempting to suggest that it is not used as mind control, subverted, perverted and otherwise controlled by the Catholic church and now by all so called xtian churchs.
Christ is within us all. That is the Myth of the Christos and it was around long before Jesus and if I have my way people will know about it long after they have forgotten the name Jesus.
My ancient european ancestors understood and for the most part embraced the myth of the christos and the belief served them well in hard times so no surprise that the Romans took this concept, subverted it, turned it around backwards and now lead people to believe that they do not have the POWER, the SPIRIT of the CHRISTOS... of the CHRIST within them...
Perfect!
Now ignore what I said and continue to go to church as a social event, pray to be seen praying etc etc... and by all means keep wearing and sporting those crosses as we all know that a cross is the first thing Hey Zeus will want to see when he returns.....
Bill Hicks.... love ya man!
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by brommas
Again all we are, are the Lords tools, it is not up to us to question why He does as He wills, we are his soldiers in the field, we dont question orders we just do as we are commanded. If God wanted you to know everything he would tell you, it is not our place to question Him.
I am not saying i am a prophet, i was just given a message by the Holy Spirit. I don't know why i was chosen when there are clearly better christians than me, but God sees what we cannot and understands what we could never understand.
On many a given sunday i can feel the Holy Spirit move through our church, but yesterday it was so very very strong.
Afterwards when service was ending i talked to my pastor and described to him what i was feeling, of the joy and awe, of feeling like i was in the presence of Jesus himself in all his Glory, that while trying to hold onto the message i could feel my spirit battling my body during worhip and the summon, my spirit was literally catching a glimpse of heaven and it was the most wonderful feeling in the universe. I felt like a star had burst into life inside me and i began to get hotter and hotter on the outside, the Holy Fire felt like i was being consumed and if i held onto his message any longer i thought i would burst into flames.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by brommas
Again all we are, are the Lords tools, it is not up to us to question why He does as He wills, we are his soldiers in the field, we dont question orders we just do as we are commanded. If God wanted you to know everything he would tell you, it is not our place to question Him.