Breaking: Libertarians Call For Arrest Of TSA Agents

Breaking: Libertarians Call For Arrest Of TSA Agents

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From The Libertarian Party of Florida:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

July 4, 2011

Libertarians Call On Florida Sheriffs To Arrest TSA Agents

PALM HARBOR, FLORIDA - In a strongly-worded email sent today to all of Florida's 67 county sheriffs, the Libertarian Party of Florida demanded the arrest of TSA agents for violations of the U.S. and Florida Constitutions, and accused TSA agents of committing sexual battery. The letter reads as follows:

Dear Sheriff,

On this day in 1776, our forebears founded

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This is awesome and what better day for this to occur than the anniversary of the independence of our great nation. it seems that more and more we have been falling victim to the tyrannical government and their stasi style nazi TSA agenda. They need to roll back this whole thing and just get rid of the TSA altogether, Id rather live in a world where bad things happen and people die from time to time than in a world without FREEDOM!!!!

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reply to post by jetlife


The TSA is not comissioned law enforcement, and because of that they are not subject to the same laws as commissioned law enforcement is, specifically when dealing with searching people and belongings as they pass through the airport.

Very good find!! Lets hope something happens because of this...

I wish every state would follow suit, and throw the TSA out of our supposed free country!

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by jetlife

 

The TSA is not comissioned law enforcement, and because of that they are not subject to the same laws as commissioned law enforcement is, specifically when dealing with searching people and belongings as they pass through the airport.

So what! That does not give them the right to sexually assault people under the guise of security and violate their natural rights as illustrated in the 4th Amendment.

This sounds like a publicity stunt by the libertarian party to garner public support. Doing this gives them the ability to say, "At least we tried. which is more than the other parties have done." It'll make for some good campaign speeches.

reply to post by jetlife


I see nothing wrong here...get them to trial before they die of radiation..

Originally posted by Apokalypsis
This sounds like a publicity stunt by the libertarian party to garner public support. Doing this gives them the ability to say, "At least we tried. which is more than the other parties have done." It'll make for some good campaign speeches.

Yeah never mind that it is 100% true, accurate, and needs to be done. At least it will make for some good speeches... Sigh!

reply to post by hawkiye


Uhm yeah.. Because they are not comissioned, they are not subject to the same requiremnets as law enforcement is. Which includes the 4th amendment.

If you dont want to go through the security checkpoint, dont fly.

Your choice.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Dont go to your high school prom either if you dont want to be molested, Same with riding a bus, Train...

What about once they get road checkpoints up, malls, sport stadium etc??

People need to stand up against it now before they do setup shop all around the country...

See... defeatism... Oh we cant win, just dont go there... SCREW THAT

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by Apokalypsis
This sounds like a publicity stunt by the libertarian party to garner public support. Doing this gives them the ability to say, "At least we tried. which is more than the other parties have done." It'll make for some good campaign speeches.

Yeah never mind that it is 100% true, accurate, and needs to be done. At least it will make for some good speeches... Sigh!

I agree. But will anything come of it? And did they believe anything would come of it when they wrote, and sent out the letter? Probably not. But nothing wrong with hoping otherwise.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Uhm yeah.. Because they are not comissioned, they are not subject to the same requiremnets as law enforcement is. Which includes the 4th amendment.

If you dont want to go through the security checkpoint, dont fly.

Your choice.

Only an idiot would assert that law enforcement is the only ones required to not violate peoples rights and are the only ones subject to the 4th amendment illustration of some of those rights. No one can lawfully violate rights period! Also TSA amounts to an unlawful government takeover of private business namely airlines and imposing unlawful restrictions on travel. So don't tell folks not to fly when their livelyhood depends on it, keep acting and promoting this thuggery and there will be blow back to all the little Hitler's and Stalin's advocating for these crimes!!!

reply to post by morder1


Man you guys just dont understand your rights at all. Checkpoints on public roads are restricted because its done by comissioned law enforcement.

The Mall is private property, which means security can approach you and ask to search you anytime they want without cause. Failure to comply can result in you being removed from the mall (you can refuse the search).

Airports are like malls, they are private entitied under federal oversight. TSA is not law enforcement, so they are not subject to RS / PC / 4th Amendment requirements.

As I said... If you dont want to go through security, you dont have to. Take a bus, drive, grab a horse or use shoe leather express. By all mean jump on the bandwagon.. It seems to be the thing to do when you dont understand a particular topic anyways.

reply to post by hawkiye


TSA is not comissioned law enforcement, which means this does not apply.

I will leave it at that so you guys can continue to complain about something you dont understand.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by hawkiye

 

TSA is not comissioned law enforcement, which means this does not apply.

I will leave it at that so you guys can continue to complain about something you dont understand.

I don't care what TSA is they do not have authority to violate rights period! And they are charging people with federal crimes who resist thier thuggery so whether they are commissioned or not they are government agents acting under color of law to violate peoples rights unlawfully. You are the one who doesn't understand and the epitome of the low intelligence of the majority of the people of this nation... Sigh!

Originally posted by Xcathdra

The Mall is private property, which means security can approach you and ask to search you anytime they want without cause. Failure to comply can result in you being removed from the mall (you can refuse the search).

Airports are like malls, they are private entitied under federal oversight. TSA is not law enforcement, so they are not subject to RS / PC / 4th Amendment requirements.

So if they want to search me and I refuse, they'll let me go and simply escort me out? I don't think so and I think that's where the problem is.

Since they are not law enforcement, I shouldn't have any legal repercussions from disregarding them, right?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by jetlife

 

The TSA is not comissioned law enforcement, and because of that they are not subject to the same laws as commissioned law enforcement is, specifically when dealing with searching people and belongings as they pass through the airport.

Retired LEO here, I disagree. TSA must abide by the exact same laws as any LEO. Being unsworn is irrelevant.

In my state, what the TSA is up to is, technically, fourth degree sexual assault.

NO ONE has the right to touch your privates.

reply to post by Xcathdra


What about the TSA's new "Mobile X-Ray Vans". How do we 'opt out' of that one?

As I've stated in previous posts on the subject of TSA, flying is not a "privilege" it is a right. (source)

(a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit. -

(1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.
(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. To further that right, the Secretary of Transportation shall consult with the Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board established under section 502 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 792) before prescribing a regulation or issuing an order or procedure that will have a significant impact on the accessibility of commercial airports or commercial air transportation for handicapped individuals.

Your local airport (for example JFK or Los Angeles International) are NOT private property. They are NOT like malls.

Airports fall into four categories, from most common to least common:

1) Public airport, public use. All the major airports commercial airliners fly out of are in this category. Most small airports fall into this category too. Most are owned by counties. There are the most airports in this category, over 3,000 in the US.

2) Public airport, private use. These are things like military bases, fire-fighting command centers, police heliports, NASA, and the like. The government (which means you and me) owns these too, but we don't get to use them.

3) Private airport, private use. These are fully private airports on private land. You cannot use these without permission from the owner, which you likely won't get.

4) Private airport, public use. These are things like restaurants and private ski areas. You need the owner's permission to land here, but sometimes they give blanket permission.

The TSA does not have the right to circumvent the 4th amendment under the guise of "security". They have a right to search you if there is due cause. They do not have the right to randomly screen people and perform invasive searches that they currently perform. Not even local law enforcement do such procedures unless you are booked and formerly charged with a crime. The TSA is an agency operating under the Department of Homeland Security. Therefor their searches of passengers are illegal. I'm not talking about walking through a metal detector or being wanded. I'm talking about their "enhanced pat downs".

When the TSA pulls you into their little glass boxes to perform their searches they are detaining you. Under your rights you do not have to stay there. You can ask to leave. Have you noticed what happens when you try to leave? When you try to exercise your rights under detainment rights? There is a video out there where a man is threatened to be arrested and fined $10,000 for doing just that. So... how is that not a violation?

If POLICE have reasonable suspicion to detain you, they can conduct a pat down (frisk) of the outside of your clothing to check for weapons, but only if they have a basis for suspecting you're armed. So how come the TSA are allowed to stick their hands down your pants? How is that not a violation?

Did you know that if you refuse to show ID to TSA they will block you from flying? Did you know that this is illegal for them to do? If you say you "lost your ID" you will be allowed to fly. However if you just refuse to show it to them, they will deny you. It is a right to fly without ID. There are many case-law examples. I would link them but I don't want to detract right now. I'll get off topic. Here is an article talking about this very thing (link)

The bottom line is the TSA is violating the 4th Amendment. Period. Yes, you can just choose not to fly. But for some this is not an option. Travel in itself is a common right. Some people HAVE to travel for work, or family emergencies. There is not some special rule that allows the TSA to do whatever the hell it wants. There are a select few in higher power who are blocking every attempt to bring the TSA to justice. Case in point is Texas. They could have passed their anti-TSA law, but some higher ups in the Department of Justice stuck their nose into states business and the item was dropped.

Here is the bottom line. The TSA is in airports, breaking the law. You can take the attitude of "hey its for our safety" and continue to be felt up and violated. You can take the attitude of "oh well... just don't fly" and eventually the TSA WILL move into different modes of transportation (trains, buses, etc). Or you can take the attitude of "screw this, they are breaking the law, they are violating my rights and im going to do something about it!". If ENOUGH people took the latter attitude something would be done. But so many of us so called "Americans" just like to bury our heads in the sands and flip on the old TV. "Oh my voice won't make a difference". Too many people take that attitude and then nothing DOES happen.

So continue to be abused and molested because after all... you can't do anything about it..... right?

reply to post by Cuervo


They (security) acts as an agent for the owner of the private property (mall) and if you do not like their rules they can and will remove you from the property. It is the same thing with the TSA and Airports.

You can choose not to fly and not be subjected to the search you agree to when you purchase the tickets. You can choose not to go to the mall. Your rights do not trump the rights of private property owners to insure people conduct themselves, while on the owner's property, in whatever fashion the property owner sees fit. That means the mall can tell you to not wear hats or leave and it means the airlines can say consent to a search or leave.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by jetlife

 

The TSA is not comissioned law enforcement, and because of that they are not subject to the same laws as commissioned law enforcement is, specifically when dealing with searching people and belongings as they pass through the airport.

They may not be law enforcement however they are federal employees. www.tsa.gov...

Federal Employee Oath of Office
I, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Looks like they are taking an oath of office when they become TSA agents.

Now if the TSA is not a LEO but they are a Federal Employee then they have to follow Federal guidelines. I'm sure that even the FBI have to arrest you before they can do a strip search. And before you say it's not a strip search. When body parts are exposed then it's a strip search.

Personally if I was in the libertarian party. I'd sue all LEO agencies with airports in their areas of dereliction of duty and selective enforcement of laws. Specifically for not responding to reports of molestation.

Now there are some that think that it's ok to be molested by people in uniform at airports. I get that. By all means if you like some gay dude dressed up like a cop fondling your junk it's ok. If that makes you feel safer then you can do that at some club.
But some of us aren't into that sort of thing.