US to Use Microwave Weapons On America Citizens

Air Force official says nonlethal weapons should be used on people in crowd-control situations.

Washington - Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary...

Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

The military simulated crowd control situations, rescuing helicopter crews in a Black Hawk Down setting and urban assaults. More unusual tests involved alcohol, attack dogs and maze-like obstacle courses.

In more than 10,000 exposures, there were six cases of blistering and one instance of second-degree burns in a laboratory accident, the documents claim.

The ADS was developed in complete secrecy for 10 years at a cost of $40 million. Its existence was revealed in 2001 by news reports, but most details of ADS human testing remain classified. There has been no independent checking of the military's claims.

The ADS technology is ready to deploy, and the Army requested ADS-armed Strykers for Iraq last year. But the military is well aware that any adverse publicity could finish the program, and it does not want to risk distressed victims wailing about evil new weapons on CNN.

The system uses millimeter waves, which can penetrate only 1/64th of an inch of skin, just enough to cause discomfort. By comparison, common kitchen microwaves penetrate several inches of skin.

The millimeter waves cannot go through walls, but they can penetrate most clothing, officials said. They refused to comment on whether the waves can go through glass.

Two airmen and 10 reporters volunteered to be zapped with the beams, which easily penetrated various layers of winter clothing.

The system was developed by the military, but the two devices being evaluated were built by defense contractor Raytheon.

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US MILTARY COMMANDER ADVOCATED TESTING NEW WEAPONS ON AMERICANS FIRST

Sure sounds like a great idea. . . . . .

Ship some over to the uk whilst you are at it, we can try them out here on the coming strikers.

Way to go.

Just pass me the rope, i will lynch myself.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.

soooo. . .. this statement to me sounds like they would be willing to use any weapon in their arsenal that they use against other countries, in war, against US citizens . . . that statement is horrendous!

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It is. And, its just an excuse to start busting out further "domestic control" devices.

Keep arguing they are only doing things to "keep us safe" people. (Not you, personally) Its not going to be pretty when they start using force here at home, and its not an "if" its a "when."

Originally posted by brommas
Sure sounds like a great idea. . . . . .

Ship some over to the uk whilst you are at it, we can try them out here on the coming strikers.

Way to go.

Just pass me the rope, i will lynch myself.

Never put aluminum foil in the microwave.

Safety is within:

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just look @ the LRAD
they already use that for crowd control
why not microwaves

Yeah sounds great, let's hope that the use of all the genetic manipulated food and chemicals in food and drinks, with the combination of depleted uranium, nuclear reactors blowing up, microwave beams, lasers, masers and phasers, neutron particle beam weaponry and other "death rays" will lead to a series of mutations that will develop the X-Men in the future.

more sarcasm in this song.






GM

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They already have microwave crowd control devices. I think Raytheon is one of the companies responsible for making them.

reply to post by torontoguy123


I love how dicsussions about non lethal weapons translates into you decalring in the title the the US is going to use those weapons.

How exactly did you make the leap of logic in the article to come to your conclusion?

Secondly, less than leathal weapons shuould be expanded for the simple fact that they are less than lethal. Should we not explore ways to that allow the police to do heir jobs using the least amount for force neccissary?

reply to post by Xcathdra


I wish we could deport you. I honestly do.

Watch some of the videos of the military practicing with the weapon and note that they are practicing with the "targets" playing demonstrators against the government.

How on Earth is it American to use weapons to disperse crowds of people in a Nation that recognizes the right of people to protest? You dont seem to really get that there is a war on protesting in America. The media wont cover it, unless to make protesters look like mindless violent animals, peaceful protests are seeded with people pretending to be protesters to start trouble and make all the protesters look bad, and weapons are being developed and used to make protesting at all impossible.

Something similar being discussed HERE

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Ironic, you want to deport a person who you dont agree with. I wont bother to point out your hypocrisy or the fact your comment is along the lines of what you apparently hate the government of doing - silencing opposition.

....except in your case and a few others your paranoia has reached new levels and you see conspiracy in everything.

Second, there is not a war going on for protesting. If you look at the protesting issues in the US, those people who are arrested, were arrested for something other than protesting. When people protest, its not a carte blanche to destroy private property, like busting out store front windows, setting cars on fire etc. They are arrested because they block entrances to buisness, or they block streets, which are a public right of way.

Exactly since when did protesting come along with an apparent defact right to destroy property? Please, explain this one would you please?

The technology the military has been testing is in use. Check some of the cruise ships transiting the waters in the gulf of Aden. Sound weaponry has been used against pirates attempting to attack the cruise ships. Alternatives? Arming security on those vessels and engaging in armed conflict, putting the crew and passengers at risk.

Sound control was used during the riots at western illinoise university.
Police use rummblers in their vehicles when approcahing intersections so other drivers not only hear the siren, but can feel the rumbling sound, adding an extra layer of protection not only for the officer, but civilians.

Why do you and others automatically assume the worst? As I said, your level of paranoia is coming close to the point of you needing serious mental assitance. You latch on to the absolutel worst case scenario.

You guys come up with such frightening scenarios that you make the imaginations of Rob Zombie and Wes craven look like somthing out of a Disney movie.

Protesting is alive and well in the US, and is in no danger of goin anywhere. The ability to counter those who decide to get out of hand and try to ruin it for the rest should be dealt with in such a manner that is not only safe, but safe for anyone else who may be standing near those who get out of hand. Why should we be forced to pepper spry / fog a large group when only a few people in that group is acting beyond civil disobediance?

Or would you prefer they just shoot to kill like whats done in Syria?

Please, let us know which one it is.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Ironic, you want to deport a person who you dont agree with. I wont bother to point out your hypocrisy or the fact your comment is along the lines of what you apparently hate the government of doing - silencing opposition.

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Wrong. Its not about wanting to deport a person I dont agree with. Its about wanting to deport a person who is not loyal to our Constitution and the basic premises it was founded upon.

Edit to add,

"Denial" and "delusion" are mental conditions, too. What is going on in America is not okay. Its not benign, although the people enabling it feel that it is. Im actually NOT mentally ill by anyones standard. Im just someone who is cognizant of history, and I dont pretend that whats going on around the world, and what our kind humanitarian leaders are doing around the world has no implications for us here at home.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Wrong. Its not about wanting to deport a person I dont agree with. Its about wanting to deport a person who is not loyal to our Constitution and the basic premises it was founded upon.

Oh goodie, a Constitutional Scholar. Please explain to me how my view poiint violatres the Constitution?

And yes, your advocation of deporting me because I dont agree with your opinion is exactly what you disdain the government for. Apparently your to blind to see your actions are exactly what you hate about the Government.

Show me where the Constituition plays into this.

First intentional use of microwaves on people occurred in the 1960's when the Russians were cooking Americans in the US Embassy in Moscow.

Countries have been beaming microwaves at each other since then to effect everything from crop production, to attempting to effect populations.

Our very own Government uses such tools to get rid of Americans they deem not needed. The world and our Government have been so successful at killing Americans....we're actually really short on people...and our population is not 300 million, it's far less.

Why do you think Obama been giving +1 million foreigners new US citizenship?...when the Left/Democrats have been screaming the world is too populated....why are they bringing in more?

Our population numbers are false. Everyone in the world including our own Government has been killing us.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Show me where the Constituition plays into this.

en.wikipedia.org...

Freedom of assembly and freedom of association may be used to distinguish between the freedom to assemble in public places and the freedom of joining an association. Freedom of assembly is often used in the context of the right to protest, while freedom of association is used in the context of labor rights and the right to collective bargaining, for example by joining a trade union. Freedom of assembly, as guaranteed in the Canadian Constitution and the Constitution of the United States, is interpreted to mean both the freedom to assemble and the freedom to join an association.[2][not in citation given]

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Before you try to make a constitutional argument, you should actually understand the Constitution. As I stated, and that you apparently ignore because it doesnt support your false claim, is people are not arrested for protesting. They are arrested for destruction of private property, obstrcting people from entering private buisnesses or residences. They are arrested for blocking a public right of way - City Street, etc.

The Constitution tells the Government the people can protest, regardless of what the government think s about the protest.

What the Constitution does NOT do is allow people to destroy peronal propertry or infringe on the rights of those who are not taking part in the protest while attmepting to hide behind the 1st amendment.

Which by the way, does not allow protestors to destroy anything while protesting.

Funny how that works. Go back to the drawing board for your consitutional argument, and this time, try reading the Constitution, the FEderal boy of Law, in addition to understanding the fact that at the local level, your subject to local / state laws and the State Constitution in addition to Federal.

So unless you can cite a civil rights violation by a person acting under the color of law, your federral argument is mute.

The 1st amendment does not allow for rioting, it does allow for protesting.

Originally posted by brommas
Sure sounds like a great idea. . . . . .

Ship some over to the uk whilst you are at it, we can try them out here on the coming strikers.

Way to go.

Just pass me the rope, i will lynch myself.

I guess your one of those advocating a race to the bottom when it comes to workers rights. try directing your lynch mob mentality towards those that caused the current crisis not the teachers, nurses and other public workers. get a life man and stop trying to drag others way of life down. You never know when you'll be next.

advocating these sorts of weapons on your fellow citizens? whats wrong with you?

Wow, I used to think the USofA might be a good place to visit one day, but it is kind of scary when you think that you have a chance of getting molested by your airport security, poisoned by your GM foods or fracked up water, tasered or shot for being scared or stuttering by one your police departments and or possibly nuked by some lunatic general with his new microwave toy, like something from McDonald's. It doesn't make it sound that inviting, I am so glad the Aussie Government doesn't want to fry its citizens.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


I love how in the video they military's idea of an unruly mob is like 6 guys with "peace not war" signs.