The Ancient Maya and their origins

reply to post by sir_slide

ahaha, well you're actually wrong there mate, they found the mitchell hedges skull at a Mayan site in Guatemala.

What you mean is Mitchell Hedges claims the skull was found at a Mayan site in Guatemala. You are welcome to believe him and buy his videos if you wish.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by sir_slide

 

ahaha, well you're actually wrong there mate, they found the mitchell hedges skull at a Mayan site in Guatemala.

What you mean is Mitchell Hedges claims the skull was found at a Mayan site in Guatemala. You are welcome to believe him and buy his videos if you wish.

When it comes down to word against word, you can't just start claiming it as factual evidence. There is no proof that Quartz Skulls (at least 1 of them) were not found amongst Maya ruins.

Even the regal Mitchell-Hedges skull is not without scandalous accusations of fraud. Some believe that F.A. Mitchell-Hedges had the piece commissioned by a sculptor, and planted it in the Lubaantun ruins for his daughter to find as a spectacular birthday present.

The validity of this charge is uncertain, but even if the Mitchell-Hedges skull is of modern origin, its structure is no less extraordinary. In all likelihood, every crystal skull in the world was fashioned by plain old human beings of some sort, and regardless of whether the work was carried out five years ago or five hundred years ago, we still don't have any idea how they did it.

Originally posted by sir_slide
its not really about pyramids though is it? its about the Maya and their origins, cheers for the response though, good links...

I think it is still important to look at the Pyramids as well, simply because, if you mention the Egyptians, everyone thinks Pyramids, if you mention the Maya, nowadays most people focus on the Maya calendar, then on the Pyramids. So this part has to be considered hand in hand, in order to free them from being bound by a single place of origin. The Maya were allegedly a wandering tribe at one time, moving around trying to find a place to settle, then they came acros the abandoned Pyramids and moved in ( again allegedly ). So once you free them, you can speculate better where they may have originated, then perhaps find a route to their ancestors.

As for the Crystal Skulls, well there are many who will shout out loudly that they are fake, because they saw a TV program or read an article, that said so. As we all know, you can't trust the media, also IF they are fake, why are the secret societies so interested in them ? I know of at least one which is very convinced that they are REAL !

reply to post by Qwenn


I'd be very interested to look further into the properties and flow of electrons through crystal that's been carved against it's natural axis.

Another interesting thing to do with the pyramids is their shape. It seems to be one that carries the theme of a focal point (being the top of the pyramid shape). I have read articles that note the distance between terraced steps and have extrapolated their own theories from this.

Since the topic of focus comes up when looking into concepts relating to the crystal skulls and pyramid shapes, I wonder if there is any real connection or if it's just a coincidence that both have come up in this thread around the same time and that common trait jumped out at me.

Probably the later, but I still feel it's worth mentioning just in case.

reply to post by Qwenn

As for the Crystal Skulls, well there are many who will shout out loudly that they are fake, because they saw a TV program or read an article, that said so. As we all know, you can't trust the media, also IF they are fake, why are the secret societies so interested in them ? I know of at least one which is very convinced that they are REAL !

And I know of one that thinks there's really Merovingian gold hidden in the church at Rennes-le-Château. That doesn't mean it's really there.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by sir_slide

 

ahaha, well you're actually wrong there mate, they found the mitchell hedges skull at a Mayan site in Guatemala.

What you mean is Mitchell Hedges claims the skull was found at a Mayan site in Guatemala. You are welcome to believe him and buy his videos if you wish.

Are you even aware of what year this was found was, Mitchell hedges is long dead and videos were not around then, even his daughter died in 2007, so I don't think even she gives interviews anymore !

There have been many claims of this being a fake, even claims that he bought it from an auction, or from a friend, or from a private dealer, or in a shop, found it first, then planted it so that his daughter could find it, the list goes on. Human nature being what it is, he could well have done any of these things, it is the sort of thing which makes a name for an explorer or an archeologist, a great or important find. Unless you were there at the time, you can't say for sure, either way, wherever it came from, it exists, the jury is still out on if it is man made or not. A no comment statement means either they know that it is real, but can't explain how it was made, or that they can't tell which, so they keep their butts safe in case it is later proved either way.

reply to post by DJW001


You think it's more likely that he bought the skull with him? That even though his boat capsized on the way he managed to save such an amazing piece without anyone noticing? You think he went to such effort to offer it as a birthday present to his daughter? That theory is completely flawed and ridiculous.

reply to post by Qwenn


Amen! thank you for that, the theories about Mitchell hedges faking it are just ludicrous. This guy obviously laps it up though.

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
South American cultures have always interested me Olmec,Toltec,Aztec,Maya,Inca but despite their achievements in mathematics,astronomy,agriculture including massive irrigation and canal systems,architecture etc they all have a common denominator of human sacrifice.

Something scared the *%#* out of their ancestors, (death from the sky?) and they were left with the belief that human sacrifice was the only way to ensure life would continue. Tragic really. But this adamant faith in the wisdom of their ancestors, also ensured they would preserve their very ancient astronomical knowledge.

This coincides with the Edgar Cayce readings of the lost history of humankind. Human civilization is much, much older than is currently believed by scholars. We have lost almost all of our history.

It still upsets me to remember that idiot Spaniard who destroyed countless Mayan writings because he felt it was the work of Satan. God only knows what was lost, probably a recounting of their history that would explain much, not only of their own ancestors, but of the world.

The Russian underwater findings are a stunning validation of alternative history. You probably know of the miles and miles of perfectly symmetrical ancient irrigation fields found in northern South America. (It can only be appreciated when seen from the air.) Some scientist said it could have fed a population of millions.

So much lost history.

reply to post by Qwenn


My bad. I meant Bill Homann:

www.mitchell-hedges.com...

reply to post by DJW001


Are you deliberately going out of your way to try and debunk every single one of our posts so as to distract our train of thought on this subject? Sure there are minor flaws in some of the offered logic, but your attitude has been negative towards this subject matter from the start. The majority of posts you have placed into this topic thus far don't seem to hold a lot of water if we are looking at logic and rational thinking in relation to speculations made by reply posts. All you have managed to do it bring the topic at hand to a halt.

Please, unless you are going to add something of relevance to the topic accompanied by your attempts to point out our flawed logic with even more flawed logic, refrain from ruining what is a really great topic that I have been enjoying the journey along thus far as I'm sure others have too.

p.s. apologies for going off topic here but seriously, something has to be said in hope of this topic getting back on it's feet again and I know I'm not a moderator but I'm enjoying participating in a good thread and don't want to see it abandoned because of things like that.

DJW001 : I'm sure you have a lot of interesting information that you could bring to the table if you would focus on that instead of focusing on pulling every other post apart. (which hasn't worked out that well anyway).

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Qwenn

 

My bad. I meant Bill Homann:

www.mitchell-hedges.com...

One thing I would say is that Anna made a fortune from touring it and showing it worldwide for lots of money, now this new joker is doing the same, but it still does not prove that it is not genuine, or fake, for that matter. The only part which I find odd is that Anna claimed that after she had found it, she asked the locals about it and they told her it was the Sacred Skull of death, but they still let her walk away with it. Perhaps that was just a little bit of dressing for her Carnie tour !

reply to post by JaxCavalera


Actually, I find the OP to be one of the most informative and well researched posts in this forum. It just distresses me that the discussion keeps veering toward precisely the sorts of things that make so many of the threads here ridiculous. Mysterious technologies, crystal skulls... I'm sorry, but the Mayans were a brilliant civilization and it actually trivializes their accomplishments when you imply that they couldn't have done it without something more than their intelligence and hard work, or cheapening it by bringing in New Age shammery like crystal skulls. As I said, you are welcome to believe anything you want, I'm just pointing out that these beliefs and speculations are not supported by facts.

Ok, Here are a few links that I am about to start reading up on that contain information relating to Quartz being carved against it's natural axis as well as general information relating to Quartz and Electricity. (uses etc..)

Some of these links may turn out to be useless and I will remove them from the list if I can still edit this post as I discover them. Hopefully this will give us some more insight into the purpose of the crystal skulls.

Will next look into the purpose of the pyramid shape and any possible connections that I can find relating to this. I have found 1 link to an alleged Overunity device that is constructed in the shape of a pyramid. I haven't taken the time to thoroughly read up on this though and why they chose the pyramid shape for the device etc...

www.foxonline.com...

www.rusgems.com...

accessscience.com...

s8int.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.avx.com...

Another site on piezoelectricity


Looking forward to reading up more form everyone

Originally posted by AuranVector

Something scared the *%#* out of their ancestors, (death from the sky?) and they were left with the belief that human sacrifice was the only way to ensure life would continue. Tragic really. But this adamant faith in the wisdom of their ancestors, also ensured they would preserve their very ancient astronomical knowledge.

Well Death from the sky was a good possibility in more than one way, drought was very likley a big factor, possibly caused by a planetary anomoly, secondly KulKulcan ( Quezacotl ), their big fire Dragon in the sky was probably returning at the same time for a visit, knocking the climate into chaos. Their own fireball in the sky god flying in a swooping pass across the earth and sorching the land with his firey tail.

Sounds much like what is happening right now with our own firey fireball god, about to make another visit, right about the time we were told to expect him by the Maya themselves. A prediction made all of those thousands of years ago, coming togeather at the exact time which they fortold, there is a saying " Yes but it isn't wriiten in stone ", well this time it really IS !

to my reasoning the Maya required the human sacrifices and the bloodshed of raids on other city-state metropolises...

see...if the human population grew too fast and overpopulated their 'system' then the changes to the generational progression would disrupt or change the predicted nature/character of each Tun...

keeping a stable population, keeping infrastructure & innovation pretty much constant...are just a few of the variables that a highly secretive priesthood class would need to have control over---to make their ordered society and culture tick-like-a-pocket watch.


i do not think that some grand, master knowledge was delivered to the Olmec then Maya... just a constant accumulation and advancement of knowledge from observation and abstract thought ....

"order "was their fundamental mechanism...just like the other ancient religions including the Bible & its God.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by JaxCavalera

 

I'm just pointing out that these beliefs and speculations are not supported by facts.

That's great, but please note the use of the words speculation and theory : we aren't attempting to claim that these lines of thought are necessarily facts, but that they are based upon ancient artifacts and that perhaps there are connections here that are being overlooked.

If we simply decide to cease discussion about the possible purpose of some of these amazing artifacts, we may be ignoring import resources of untapped information that could provide clues to currently unanswered questions regarding the topic at hand.



www.nuclearpyramid.com...

The above link has some fascinating information about pyramids and speculations that they were used to produce power.

I really think u guys should read up upon the work of Dr. Carl Calleman and Ian Xel Lunghold (deceased). Their combined research into the maya calendar shows that it does not clock celestial bodies,

www.youtube.com...

This is a presentation based on Dr. Calleman's break thru discoveries of the structure of the Mayan Calendar as it relates to the Evolution of Consciousness.

This presentation is what rings true in my heart and puts my mind in ease amongst all the doom.

Cheers!

Good work. I really enjoyed the read. Although I do not believe anything is going to happen in 2012, it still was very entertaining.

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Actually, I can see why your messages are deleted....

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