The Islamic Holy Number 19

Ok, before I present to you this article I found, I should inform you that I am not a muslim, but I found this extremely interesting.

This article talks about how the Quran is mathematically composed and the number 19 is the common denominator that repeats itself throughout this holy book.

And a snippet:

Any reader of this book can easily verify the Quran's mathematical miracle. The word "God" (Allah) is written in bold capital letters throughout the text. The cumulative frequency of occurrence of the word "God" is noted at the bottom of each page in the left hand corner. The number in the right hand corner is the cumulative total of the numbers for verses containing the word "God." The last page of the text, Page 372, shows that the total occurrence of the word "God" is 2698, or 19x142. The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217

This to me is very interesting because there is no way that humans back fourteen centuries ago could of composed something of this caliber mathematically.

This phenomenon alone suffices as incontrovertible proof that the Quran is God's message to the world. No human being(s) could have kept track of 2698 occurrences of the word "God," and the numbers of verses where they occur. This is especially impossible in view of (1) the age of ignorance during which the Quran was revealed, and (2) the fact that the suras and verses were widely separated in time and place of revelation. The chronological order of revelation was vastly different from the final format (Appendix 23). However, the Quran's mathematical system is not limited to the word "God;" it is extremely vast, extremely intricate, and totally comprehensive.

Simply amazing if I should say so myself. There is absolutely no way a human could have integrated this mathematical code into the Quran. I also wonder what is so significant about the number 19? Here are some other startling numerical facts.

1. The first verse (1:1),known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.
2. The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is ..............19 x 6.
3. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334. [6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.
4. The Basmalah occurs 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) & 114= 19x6.

The list just goes on and on. This article is much too long for me to explain in a thread. I recommend whoever is interested to read it because there are some amazing facts in it.

www.submission.org...

And how many times do these numbers not add up for verses that are not chosen?

Exactly.

Hogwash.

reply to post by Zamini


Uhh, did you even bother to read it?

3. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334. [6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.

and

The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217

I don't know what you're reading but it looks like to me it is talking about all the verses as a whole in the Quran.

reply to post by tokyodynamite


On topic, I don't see how the number 19 is holy in any way, I've never heard that mentioned before today (reading this thread). Besides, if the total number was something different, the number would also be different.

I'm basically saying, if the only evidence is the denominator, it's very shallow evidence.

Anyways, if you are interested in this sort of stuff OP, you can check this out, though it isn't the Quran:

www.progenesis.org...

Try to design a genealogy, of actual people, with the following parameters:

1) The number of words in it must be divisible by 7 evenly.

2) The number of letters must also be divisible by 7.

3) The number of vowels and the number of consonants must also each be divisible by 7.

4) The number of words that begin with a vowel must be divisible by 7.

5) The number of words that begin with a consonant must be divisible by 7.

6) The number of words that occur more than once must be divisible by 7.

7) The number of words that occur in more than one form shall be divisible by 7.

8) The number of words that occur in only one form shall be divisible by 7.

9) The number of nouns shall be divisible by 7.

10) Only 7 words shall NOT be nouns.

11) The number of names in the genealogy shall be divisible by 7.

12) Only 7 other kinds of nouns are permitted.

13) The number of male names shall be divisible by 7.

14) The number of generations shall be 21, also divisible by 7.

This is the genealogy of Jesus Christ, in Greek, in Matthew.

this is something I hope most Muslims know as it proves the validity of the document, which is also a beautiful read, regardless of your religion . Thanks for posting this

reply to post by visinequeen


What I really hope -most- Muslims know is the origins of their religions, that being Allah originally being a moon deity, as the ancient Arabs did many centuries ago - praying towards Mecca, making pilgrimages there, running around the moon-temple (Kabah), etc.

After all, most Muslims I spoke to had no idea why there was a Crescent moon on their Mosques, which lead me to this research.

reply to post by tokyodynamite


Of course, all verses that were chosen are put in there.

What's the point otherwise?

Again; what about the verses that were not chosen? Did they add up to 19? Do you even EVER get to read them or do you simply deny their existence? Are you under the impression that not a word in that book has been altered? Because that would be straight up hogwash. It's hard to accept, it took the "Christians" a while to figure out their "holy" book was doctored on by many folk, lets see how long it will take you.

Or is 19 another magical number? (numbers are man-made, and letters are written by people)

This is no reason for me to believe there was something divine going on. Besides, close to 7000 verses? That's not a very big number, still dividable and workable by humans at the time. If anything it shows that those who wrote the Quran also had knowledge of math. It still does not show, nor even imply divine meddling, only more human premeditated action.

19 is also supposed to be the number of angels that guard hell. The Quran says about them:

We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol does God intend by this?"

Also, as a response to Zamini: To clarify, the tokyodynamite didn't selectively choose verses to come up to the number 19. As he bolded to explain, the TOTAL number of verses in the Quran add up to a multiple of 19 (among other mathematical oddities). So there are no "verses that were not chosen".

In response to Lionhearte:
The Moon God Conspiracy (which shows this moon-god stuff is absolutely bunk, and addresses your "There are crescent moons on the muslim mosques!" thing.

reply to post by tokyodynamite


shouldn't that read the unholy number of the false prophet ?

reply to post by Lionhearte


Actually, the muslims adopted the crescent moon and star symbol from the Ottoman empire. Of course, the Ottoman empire could of got it from these ancient polytheistic arabs, but this symbol was not around when the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) revealed the holy Quran to the people. It was adopted way after that and is mistaken as a traditional symbol of Islam, which it is not.

www.muslimaccess.com...

reply to post by tokyodynamite

Actually, it was said to have been obtained by the Ottomans from the Byzantium (Christian ) flag when they conquered them. It has absolutely no relation to the origins of Islam.

Mathematical oddities like these can always be explained away as coincidences cherry-picked to create the illusion of divine design.

However, the number 19 IS significant because, when the sectors of the simplest polygon - the triangle - are turned into Pythagorean tetractyses, each with 10 points, there are 19 points generated. This number is the tenth odd integer and so has a special status because the number 10 (Decad) is the Pythagorean measure of perfection. See here:

smphillips.8m.com...

Each polygon embodies a set of numbers. One of these is the sum of the integers, starting with 1, that can be assigned to the points making up the tetractys sectors of the polygon. The triangle is the only polygon for which the arithmetic mean of the integers assigned to these points is 10 - the number of points in a tetractys.

The tetractys is the Rosetta Stone that transforms TRUE sacred geometry into numbers that have universal (and therefore scientific) significance. Amazing evidence for this can be found in the website below:
smphillips.8m.com...

Certain numbers are, indeed, sacred because they are parameters of a cosmic blueprint that can be found in all religions, not just Islam. In order to know this, one must first know what this blueprint is and how it appears, amazingly, in analogous forms in religions. The linked website reveals it in detail.

reply to post by babloyi

Also, as a response to Zamini: To clarify, the tokyodynamite didn't selectively choose verses to come up to the number 19. As he bolded to explain, the TOTAL number of verses in the Quran add up to a multiple of 19 (among other mathematical oddities). So there are no "verses that were not chosen".

You are not understanding what I'm saying here. What you are saying implies that it was written and after the fact, people came along and saw these mathematical oddities.

While what I'm saying implies that the people who composed these books, knew about these numbers.

Good OP, according to the Quran there are 19 angels that will preside over hell.
In Islamic cosmology there is no devil that presides over hell, but God and angels do, and hell is a form of purification, it is not eternal.

reply to post by Zamini


But what I am trying to get at here is that the numbers are too big for a human to keep track of without some type of computer or something. Such as this:

The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).

There is no way a human can keep track of and go through all the verses in the Quran to add them up and get that number without using some sort of calculator. I'm surprised this still hasn't been posted here on ATS before.

Kind Regards,
TokyoDynamite

reply to post by tokyodynamite

But what I am trying to get at here is that the numbers are too big for a human to keep track of without some type of computer or something.

OR A PIECE OF PAPER AND A PEN?

Such as this:

The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).

Just stop it already dude, it's already apparent that you think people 1500 years were absolute dumbasses. While this is not the case, they knew how to count.

There is no way a human can keep track of and go through all the verses in the Quran to add them up and get that number without using some sort of calculator.

You mean like a piece of paper and a pen? Can you for a second think and not let men in robes think for you?

I'm surprised this still hasn't been posted here on ATS before.

Surprised? Why? The Muslims here don't deny ignorance just as the Christians don't deny ignorance. Fun fact though; I can criticize Christianity here, but if I were in a Muslim country I'd be hanged/jailed/shot for every criticizing Islam or the Quran.

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by tokyodynamite

 

OR A PIECE OF PAPER AND A PEN?

Ok, then let's see somebody go through the whole Quran, find every verse that has the word "God" in it, and write all the verse numbers down and add them up at the end to find out the number is again, divisible by 19, let alone the person who apparently transcribed this pattern into the muslim holy book?. It is very evident you only read the first 2 paragraphs of the article because you were probably too lazy to go through it all.

reply to post by tokyodynamite

Ok, then let's see somebody go through the whole Quran, find every verse that has the word "God" in it, and write all the verse numbers down and add them up at the end to find out the number is again, divisible by 19, let alone the person who apparently transcribed this pattern into the muslim holy book?. It is very evident you only read the first 2 paragraphs of the article because you were probably too lazy to go through it all.

It is very evident that you believe ONE man wrote the Quran. It's very evident that you believe this was done without any knowledge of numbers or math. While the truth of the matter is, you were not around 1500 years ago and there were people that calculated stuff 1500 years ago.

Get over yourself. "you didn't read the topic". Yes I did, I gave it thought but it turns out to be another one of these religious recruitment topics of which we find a billion on ATS now.

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by tokyodynamite

 

Ok, then let's see somebody go through the whole Quran, find every verse that has the word "God" in it, and write all the verse numbers down and add them up at the end to find out the number is again, divisible by 19, let alone the person who apparently transcribed this pattern into the muslim holy book?. It is very evident you only read the first 2 paragraphs of the article because you were probably too lazy to go through it all.

It is very evident that you believe ONE man wrote the Quran. It's very evident that you believe this was done without any knowledge of numbers or math. While the truth of the matter is, you were not around 1500 years ago and there were people that calculated stuff 1500 years ago.

Get over yourself. "you didn't read the topic". Yes I did, I gave it thought but it turns out to be another one of these religious recruitment topics of which we find a billion on ATS now.

If the Quran was written by more than one person, than this would be an amazing feat to pull off. Who said I was trying to recruit anybody? I stated in the first sentence of this thread that I am not a muslim so that should of killed any notions that I was trying to "advertise" Islam. Nice observation skills.

Kind Regards,
TokyoDynamite