THE USA will abandon all of its 600 military bases immediately! The Benefits of ISOLATIONISM!!!

If the USA were to close itself off, what would we loose (other than 600 military bases)?

Well, what do we need? Energy, food, and other basic needs..

ENERGY

Alaska: I have read other conspiracy blogs, and if true we have tons of oil for refinement. (100 years worth)

Natural gas, we have as much or more than other countries, vehicles in many countries run solely on the stuff, so can we.

Food? Aren't we the "breadbasket" of the planet? If not, we were in the late seventies when my junior high teacher told me we were. (yes, we can feed the planet if we wanted too)

Clothing, housing, etc we have it, no problem.

What do we need, computer chips without Chinese back-doors...electronic goods and the like, and I am sure a few other items. But herein lies the bonus!

We can rebuild infrastructure to meet demand, create jobs and grow the economy!

Benefits: China loses a customer, we get our soldiers back home, people hate us less or totally flip and hug us on sight!

Perceived weaknesses: people will say that certain goods will be too expensive because US labor costs more, which may appear to be true but it is really not true at all.

If we have and control our currency from within, there would not be a loss in purchasing power, we can theoretically halt any potential inflation. We would not need to inflate the currency, because only Americans could posses and use it! Goodbye Deficit!

I know screwing the Chinese and others is cruel, but someone has to save the Australians from the Chinese land speculators.

reply to post by CodexSinaiticus


Explanation: Uhhm? That's not Xenophobia ... that's just ISOLATIONISM!!!

To be xenophobic one would have to hate EVERY other living thing because xenophobia is about genetic purity and maintaining that and thats IMPOSSIBLE without cloning yourself as unless you have a perfect twin etc, then there will be the smallest of genetic drift and that is UNACCEPTABLE to a TRUE xenophobe!

Personal Disclosure: The OP's use of the term xenophobe clearly shows the FEAR LEVEL in the usa today.

Sure save yourself while the ship is sinking ... but wasn't the USA supposed to be the CAPTAIN running this ship? Isn't the Captain SUPPOSED to go down with the sinking ship???

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
reply to post by CodexSinaiticus

 

Explanation: Uhhm?

That's not Xenophobia ... that's just ISOLATIONISM!!!

To be xenophobic one would have to hate EVERY other living thing because xenophobia is about genetic purity and maintaing that and thats IMPOSSIBLE without cloning yourself as unless you have a perfect twin etc, then there will be the smallest of genetic drift and that is UNACCEPTABLE to a TRUE xenophobe!

Personal Disclosure: The OP's use of the term xenophobe clearly shows the FEAR LEVEL in the usa today.

Sure save yourself while the ship is sinking ... but wasn't the USA supposed to be the CAPTAIN running this ship? Isn't the Captain SUPPOSED to go down with the sinking ship???

hehe, okok need a sec to edit!

The second form of xenophobia is primarily cultural........In addition, entire xenophobic societies tend not to be open to interactions from anything "outside" themselves, resulting in an isolationism that can further xenophobia.

natural gas? really?

Do you have any idea how it is extracted? Its very harmful to the environment, and should not be considered even for 1 second... Unless you like your water faucets catching on fire?

Also 100 year supply of oil? Yah right, maybe for 1930 usage... Ever heard of the Exponential Function?

reply to post by CodexSinaiticus


Explanation: S&F!

Personal Disclosure: Now that was just Awesome!

I think that the biggest problem with your post is with regards to the question of foods. Do you know anything about how the modern food industry works? The media likes to claim that there are a lot of starving people and that there are food shortages so that's why prices are going up and demand isn't met. But, the same 5 companies create all our food now. Food isn't raised anymore. It's manufactured. It's certainly problematic and I'd wish it would change because they add all sorts of chemicals to our food now... but, food isn't really an issue for us. I would recommend watching Food Inc. It won't necessarily turn you into a vegetarian right away but it's a good documentary to watch.

You're dreaming if you think USA can survive as an isolated nation.

China - Many rare minerals only produced in China drive USA industry, especially in the high tech sector and exotic military research.

Saudi Arabia - The USA cannot possibly survive with it's own domestic oil production. If it could, why does it import more than 70% of the oil it uses?

Canada - Without access across Canada, how will that oil flow from Alaska? You want to bring the whole lot to the lower 48 using tankers? Good Luck.

Canada / South Africa - Diamonds. The oil industry depends on them. USA has hardly any of their own diamond production facilities, most diamonds used in the oil industry are from South Africa and Canada. Without them, you can't drill, period.

These are just a few of the countries that America relies on every single day.

All of the Above - It all comes down to the oil industry. Without enough oil, America cannot survive, at all. Without exotic metals from China, diamonds from South Africa and Canada, pipelines across Canada, and oil imports from Saudi Arabia, the "world's bread basket" would fail to function. Crops would rot in the fields as combines run out of fuel. All other industry would collapse as oil dries up without enough imports. As food supplies collapse, there will be riots in the streets.

Enjoy your isolationism. I give you three months before you have anarchy in the streets.

reply to post by morder1


Explanation: I agree that the usa and subsequently EVERYONE elses addiction to oil is highly problematic.

Its a case of monhop society mentality.

They dont want to be the BEST society out there..just the BEST OIL using society out there!

They [aka TPTB] want us all locked into a SCARCITY paradigm TRAPPED by fake money based on DEBT!

I and many other ATS members have posted VIABLE SOLUTIONS to ALL these problems [the currency the oil the food etc]

It is no longer a case of CAN WE FIX THIS CRAP??? Its a case of WHEN WILL WE FIX THIS CRAP???

Personal Disclosure: Its not a battle of best technologies... its a war for your heart and minds!

Originally posted by morder1
natural gas? really?

Do you have any idea how it is extracted? Its very harmful to the environment, and should not be considered even for 1 second... Unless you like your water faucets catching on fire?

Also 100 year supply of oil? Yah right, maybe for 1930 usage... Ever heard of the Exponential Function?

Don't be insulting. Make your argument and move on please. No need to be a tool.

I said conspiracy blogs, take a look:

reply to post by Frankidealist35


Just to add to your post about food...

All food is grown with oil... Watch Collapse(on netflix) with Mike Ruppert... All industrial fertilizers, pesticides are oil based... Plus you use oil powered machine to plant, pick, plow, irrigate, water, transport, package... then you buy the food with a piece of oil...

And also, 1/3 to 1/2 of our nations corn goes to making Ethanol... another very stupid idea... It takes more net energy from oil to make the ethanol, than you get out of the end product... How fricking stupid is that? it costs more oil to make it, than you recieve...

reply to post by babybunnies


I think you're making a straw-man argument here that has no real basis in facts. When people talk about pulling out of the Middle-East and other places in the world they're just talking about doing it militarily. They're not talking about withdrawing from world trade (at least most people aren't). Non-interventionism is completely different from isolationism. We believe n dealing with other countries. We just don't believe in always bombing the **** out of them. Being the world police is not a requisite for being a major player in the world.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by babybunnies

 

I think you're making a straw-man argument here that has no real basis in facts. When people talk about pulling out of the Middle-East and other places in the world they're just talking about doing it militarily. They're not talking about withdrawing from world trade (at least most people aren't). Non-interventionism is completely different from isolationism. We believe n dealing with other countries. We just don't believe in always bombing the **** out of them. Military force is not a requisite for being a major super power.

Maybe, but the premise of the original post is military AND economic isolationism. There is true basis in that military and economic isolationism would be a complete disaster for the United States in VERY short order.

reply to post by morder1


Thanks! I'll definitely check it out and add it to my instant que sometime. That doesn't make sense since isn't ethanol supposed to be marketed as some environmentally friendly sort of fuel? Maybe it's not so environmentally friendly if its costs outweigh its benefits.

reply to post by babybunnies


Okay. My bad. I was originally taking your post to attack non-interventionism and conflate it with economic and military isolationism. I didn't realize that the OP was actually advocating for complete isolationism! That is something I am against. I apologize for any snappy comments I might have made.

Originally posted by morder1
natural gas? really?

Do you have any idea how it is extracted? Its very harmful to the environment, and should not be considered even for 1 second... Unless you like your water faucets catching on fire?

Also 100 year supply of oil? Yah right, maybe for 1930 usage... Ever heard of the Exponential Function?

Natural gas 800 trillion feet of resources, today's news. Frak-ing fear exists, I know the process, and it concerns me as well, but it's there.

reply to post by CodexSinaiticus


And, of course if we did this, America would naturally fall far behind the rest of the world as we take years trying to figure out exactly how we are going to make computer chips without China (who is currently producing 97% of the stuff). Along with all of the time it would take us to recreate our energy industry to be based on something other than oil.

I imagine your dream could indeed come true.....after about 200 years of intense hardship, where Americans live in a new dark age....that is assuming that as we break ties with the rest of the world, they don't continue to globalize and resent us for pulling out all of our own money and services...and decide to gather together a huge multi national war machine to collect some of the debts we owe them.....seeing as how our Military would be thrown back to using flint lock guns and riding horses, due to our lack of computers, resources, and oil....we would likely not stand too good of a chance.

Hey, I imagine American's would get a bit healthier though, as we devolve into a hunter gather society.....I mean have you ever seen a Tribal Bushman? They are in great shape! No more fat Americans!!!

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I think that the biggest problem with your post is with regards to the question of foods. Do you know anything about how the modern food industry works? The media likes to claim that there are a lot of starving people and that there are food shortages so that's why prices are going up and demand isn't met. But, the same 5 companies create all our food now. Food isn't raised anymore. It's manufactured. It's certainly problematic and I'd wish it would change because they add all sorts of chemicals to our food now... but, food isn't really an issue for us. I would recommend watching Food Inc. It won't necessarily turn you into a vegetarian right away but it's a good documentary to watch.

funny as i sit surrounded by thousands of acres of food crops grown by small farmers...have you ever been to california?

I somehow made it through that video you linked... And this guy suggests we will have nuclear batteries powering our cars by the time we run out of oil? Ya sure we will...

And the other person also says he wants to move to electricity based powers... Electricity isnt a source! Its a product from burning other fuels... lol these guys are dumb

They are talking about drilling 4.5 miles under the atlantic? We all know what happened with the gulf oil disaster, and that was 5000 feet underground...

Tar Sands? Any idea how harmful tar sands are to extract? They super heat the tar sands with water, and skim the oil off the top... for every barrel of oil they get, it takes half a barrel of oil to produce, and also pollutes 4 barrels of water per barrel produced... That is just suicide...

Even IF oil is abiotic... Theres no way it can keep up with the demand... 2nd point on that... The oil that we take out of the ground... Something has to take up that empty space... No wonder we are having massive EQ's, sinkholes etc etc...

Sorry for being a realist and realizing we CAN NOT continue on like this...AKA destroying the very planet we live on...

I do agree though with pulling all of our troops etc... just not with this oil consumption... oil is like crack, and we are all super addicted, and if you dont think so, then you are just in denial(not pointing fingers, just making a general statement)

Sorry if I came off rude... but I just cant see how people keep propping this system of super consumption... Like I said... look up exponential function on youtube...

The implications with multinational corporations would be intense with the level of the cut off and the complexity of the situation. Any corporations that have not got their act together within a week would most likely be lost due to the production chain cycle running dry, backlogs and other production issues. Wall street will most likely crash bad due to the links with the global economy, if you could salvage 10 cents in the dollar I would be impressed. Chances are the economy will just fall over resulting in riots, civil war and a bloody mess. After a few years some sort of order will start to surface out the the remaining jungle.

Just only withdrawing military forces from all of it's international bases will save a packet and help to tackle the economic issues going on, the corporate scene will not need to get tied up with this action and is one way not resulting in a national disaster.

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by CodexSinaiticus

 

And, of course if we did this, America would naturally fall far behind the rest of the world as we take years trying to figure out exactly how we are going to make computer chips without China (who is currently producing 97% of the stuff). Along with all of the time it would take us to recreate our energy industry to be based on something other than oil.

I imagine your dream could indeed come true.....after about 200 years of intense hardship, where Americans live in a new dark age....that is assuming that as we break ties with the rest of the world, they don't continue to globalize and resent us for pulling out all of our own money and services...and decide to gather together a huge multi national war machine to collect some of the debts we owe them.....seeing as how our Military would be thrown back to using flint lock guns and riding horses, due to our lack of computers, resources, and oil....we would likely not stand too good of a chance.

Hey, I imagine American's would get a bit healthier though, as we devolve into a hunter gather society.....I mean have you ever seen a Tribal Bushman? They are in great shape! No more fat Americans!!!

Computer chips? We invented the stuff! This country as much as you hate and envy it, has all the technological know-how required to do anything the chinese can do x10. If we don't perform the function at this very moment it's because it's not profitable, not because we are unable to perform the task.

Regarding the fat comment, what is that about? Every country has chubby folks, why do you hate them so much? This is where someone like yourself would supposedly dive into the psyche of another poster and make a pitiful comment about them or their countrymen.

I take the high road.