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Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
If energy and matter always existed then wouldn't that make it a supreme being?
Why would that make it a supreme being?
Isn't the argument for god "design" - - not Stuff Happens?
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
I'm just saying that whatever brought all things into existence would have to have some form of intelligence. If we accept that all things came from energy and matter then I think it is fair to say that energy and matter is intelligent. Wouldn't you agree that it would take a powerful mind to produce such a stunning universe? The idea that everything just popped up and put itself in perfect order is just a little hard to swallow.
Originally posted by Annee
Depends on what you define God as. When I use the term God - - I am specifically referring to the omnipotent being(s) of organized religions.
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
For me God simply means the Creator of All Things. To be honest I would prefer to use the term Creator rather then God. I just think that the idea that we were created by a Supreme Being makes the most sense, simply because everything around us is just to perfectly designed (personal lives not included).
IMO the idea that everything happened in perfect harmony all by chance is just to illogical. I mean how could such a thing be possible without having some form of intelligence to be able to put everything in the perfect position.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
For me God simply means the Creator of All Things. To be honest I would prefer to use the term Creator rather then God. I just think that the idea that we were created by a Supreme Being makes the most sense, simply because everything around us is just to perfectly designed (personal lives not included).
IMO the idea that everything happened in perfect harmony all by chance is just to illogical. I mean how could such a thing be possible without having some form of intelligence to be able to put everything in the perfect position.
Who says everything is in perfect harmony? To me that is illogical.
Much of the universe is extremely violent in its actions and reactions. What harmony?
You've created an image you like - - and say it has to be by design - - then say it has to have an intelligence to create the design - - then label that intelligence god.
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Well I can't name all of the things that are in perfect harmony otherwise I would be here for ever. But in short things such as how perfect the earth is from the sun, the human body itself, things like that.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Well I can't name all of the things that are in perfect harmony otherwise I would be here for ever. But in short things such as how perfect the earth is from the sun, the human body itself, things like that.
I understand we are a Goldilock planet. But the rest are not. Chance not design - for that one planet of our solar system.
The human body? Is seriously badly designed.
You are trying to make something fit - - so you can claim intelligent design. In reality - it does not fit.
Originally posted by User8911
Faith doesn't require proof, that's exactly what the word stands for.
To believe without proof
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
It's fits, you just don't want to wear it. I'm baffled you would say a thing about the human body, you should give yourself more credit than that.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
It's fits, you just don't want to wear it. I'm baffled you would say a thing about the human body, you should give yourself more credit than that.
What fits? Harmony - - because one planet out of 9 in a solar system is in the Goldilock zone?
Why are you baffled about the human body? What does credit have to do with anything? Are you saying because of ego - - I should give my self more credit then deserved?
Scholar deems human body as ‘unintelligent design’
By Kim Halpin
Published: Tuesday, March 1, 2011
Tuesday afternoon Dr. Abby Hafer, a zoologist and anatomy and physiology professor from Curry College, presented a lecture countering the idea that Intelligent Design is scientific.
Hafer describes the Intelligent Design debate as purely a political issue, and one that has no place in science. The objective of her talk, she stated, was to show how the human body is quite an unintelligent design, and therefore evolution is the only substantial scientific theory.
To grab the audience's attention, Hafer began with the issue of why males' testicles are outside of their body; because normal body temperature is not conducive to sperm production.
"This is a very bad design," Hafer says with emphasis.
Using the diagram of a frog, she pointed out that other animals have reproductive necessities inside their bodies, a much more intelligent place to have them.
Next, she brought up the simple fact that babies' heads are too large to fit through the narrow biped pelvis bones during birth. Prior to modern medicine, this resulted in many deaths of babies and mothers, and is clearly a poor design. Hafer offered that it would have been smarter to be like kangaroos and develop outside of our mothers.
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Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Come on Annee, that's an opinion and can't be backed by anything other than theory. Do you really expect anyone to believe this? Moreover, what other great scientist today supports her theory?
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Come on Annee, that's an opinion and can't be backed by anything other than theory. Do you really expect anyone to believe this? Moreover, what other great scientist today supports her theory?
An opinion? A theory?
By a - zoologist and anatomy and physiology professor.
You refuse to accept fact - - when its right in front of you.
Done.
How could anyone make such a claim without proof?
Originally posted by ExistentialNightmare
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
How could anyone make such a claim without proof?
Exactly my thoughts.
Originally posted by ExistentialNightmare
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
I suspend belief where i don't have any evidence; and i don't trust those who claim to reveal the unknown without demonstrating how they attained their revelations.