New World Order, China, Chemtrails and Big Business.

Originally posted by luxordelphi

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by luxordelphi

The article was posted because of lots of speculation as to what was going on with those weird trails in the sky (sound familiar??) that people started noticing during the Battle of Britain (1940).

So you're comparing Battle of Britain airspace with current day airspace?

No - I'm comparing BoB contrails with today's contrails.

and why wouldn't I?

Let me spell it out for you: Battle of Britain means that there was a war being waged overhead in the skies. Chemtrails are not the result of a war.

I was comparing contrails and pointing out that they have been around for a long time, and people wanted to know what they were during the BoB.

the physics of hte atmosphere do not care whether it is war time or not - they will form contrails when the right conditions are present regardless of the reasons for it.

They are the result of weather modification programs illegally conducted under the guise of national security as a result of new protocols referring back to old laws as a result of 9/11. Before 9/11 there was not even that to protect the program so the military flew the planes and private companies provided the stuff. Now private companies can do the whole because it is under the guise of national security.

OK - there's a whole lot of accusations in there that should have some factual evidence available for them - so what is it?

Originally posted by chrismicha77
reply to post by Uncinus

 

Wow who could of guessed you reference your website.

I know it was rewritten but, it was rewritten to exclude chemtrails and such. Wonder why they were taken out?

I don't buy it...sorry.

The rewriting is not the point. The point is that it was written by a man who now genuinely believes that in 1971 he was subject to time travel surveillance by the CIA from the future, and that the CIA used a copy of his book obtained from the future to predict the outcome of Presidential Elections.

Hence it does not have the credibility that you are suggesting.

exopolitics.blogs.com...

Originally posted by chrismicha77
reply to post by Uncinus

 

Wow who could of guessed you reference your website.

there's plenty of other references from his website, and yuo can find the same info yourself if yuo want to search for it elsewhere.

I know it was rewritten but, it was rewritten to exclude chemtrails and such. Wonder why they were taken out?

I don't buy it...sorry.

You dont' buy what?

the bill also references extraterrestrial weapons IIRC - are you saying they exist too, jsut because this bill mentions them?

If someone wrote a bill that mentioned the starship enterprise (Oas in NCC 1701) would that make it exist??

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Uncinus

 

"...if the spotter is quick enough" being the key words in your ancient diagram. Please refer back to the many posters who have tried to explain to you the difference in contrail and chemtrail duration.

Did you miss the very next sentence, which starts "Some of them, especially those left by a planes exhaust at high, cold altitudes, endure for some time,....."?

Or did you just not bother posting it because you don't like it?

edit on 28-6-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: crappy spelling

No, to answer your question, I didn't not bother posting - I was posting to your comrades as you were accusing me of ignoring you. So...some duration...and what would that be? because, apparently, my question of how exactly the Battle of Britain skies compare to our skies is never going to be answered. So would that be 10 minutes, 10 hours, 10 years? what would that be? The truth of it is that it was an awkward document to put forth to defend your position...a document that raises more questions then it answers. What do I mean by that: I mean that do you have a team of monkeys dredging up whatever you can in order to try and prove that these skies are acceptable?! because they are not - they are ugly and there better be a good reason for it.

reply to post by luxordelphi


There are many references all through history that say that contrails can last for several hours. For example:

contrailscience.com...

The News, Frederick, MD, March 7, 1944

“Contrails frequently have a tendency to cause a complete overcast and cause rain. In Idaho I have seen contrails formed in a perfectly clear sky and four hours later a complete overcast resulted“

Can you find one that says that they only last a few minutes?

reply to post by firepilot


I love it because in truth the skies above probably do look like the Battle of Britain skies, though I wasn't there and can't know for sure, but the Weather Modification Wars is a good way to describe the obscenity that the sky has become.

reply to post by luxordelphi


Here's one from 1921 that lasted over 20 minutes:

contrailscience.com...

The whole streamer may have been 3 miles long. After 20 minutes the streamer had drifted and spread until it merged indistinguishably with the other cirrus clouds visible.

How long do you think they should last?

You do understand that they are just ice clouds, right?

So they will last as long as other clouds?

reply to post by Uncinus


While you argue the finer points I can tell you that I've had to alter my lifestyle this year. This is the second time since Feb storm when my guard was down and I inhaled something that made me hack and cough suddenly and non-stop for a long time, with such intensity that I really was afraid I'd have a stroke or heart attack. I inhaled it yesterday and again today. And now it's stormy at the moment. My daughter-in-law just had emergency surgery on her thyroid. Something is being rained down on us and it isn't acid rain (remember that one?)

Maybe the cloud seeding is happening offshore in the Pacific and Gulf by a foreign power? Or maybe our own governments are doing us in on purpose. I don't know the answer, but I am definitely starting to feel the effects. I've been staying indoors more than usual and my daughter-in-law has been more outdoors than normal.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Uncinus

 

"...if the spotter is quick enough" being the key words in your ancient diagram. Please refer back to the many posters who have tried to explain to you the difference in contrail and chemtrail duration.

Did you miss the very next sentence, which starts "Some of them, especially those left by a planes exhaust at high, cold altitudes, endure for some time,....."?

Or did you just not bother posting it because you don't like it?

edit on 28-6-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: crappy spelling

Hi, I'm not an algorithm; I'm a real person and you all are a gang or a gaggle or a fleet since we're talking airplanes and 'endure for some time' what does that mean? Please be specific and try not to draw dramatic landscapes like the Battle of Britain which, I'm sorry, I can't seem to get beyond.

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by firepilot

 

I love it because in truth the skies above probably do look like the Battle of Britain skies, though I wasn't there and can't know for sure, but the Weather Modification Wars is a good way to describe the obscenity that the sky has become.

You are delving headfirst in the world of the absurd.

Weather Modification wars? You are getting mislead and lied to by the conspiracy promoters and merchants of fear.

Maybe you should find a way to not live in a world of fear. Maybe spend a single day away from chemtrail sites, and spend that day learning about aviation, and meterology. And for good measure, read up on the lies of the chemtrail promoters and how they hoaxed people from the start.

Originally posted by aboutface
reply to post by Uncinus

 

While you argue the finer points I can tell you that I've had to alter my lifestyle this year. This is the second time since Feb storm when my guard was down and I inhaled something that made me hack and cough suddenly and non-stop for a long time, with such intensity that I really was afraid I'd have a stroke or heart attack. I inhaled it yesterday and again today. And now it's stormy at the moment. My daughter-in-law just had emergency surgery on her thyroid. Something is being rained down on us and it isn't acid rain (remember that one?)

If your guard was down, then that implies that your guard was up because you were aware of chemtrails.

Since everyone else's guard was DOWN, then why aren't they all dead? Heck, you've been trying to avoid it, and it nearly killed you. So how is everyone else getting on just fine?

Originally posted by Uncinus
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

There are many references all through history that say that contrails can last for several hours. For example:

contrailscience.com...

The News, Frederick, MD, March 7, 1944

“Contrails frequently have a tendency to cause a complete overcast and cause rain. In Idaho I have seen contrails formed in a perfectly clear sky and four hours later a complete overcast resulted“

I'm happy with several hours but that is not the case. These last for sometimes 8 hours and then never disperse, just diffuse.

Can you find one that says that they only last a few minutes?

reply to post by luxordelphi


I'd love to see some evidence of a contrail that was visible for 8 hours. While it's possible, normally they would be at least 200 miles away (and about 50 miles wide) after 8 hours.

Could you take some photos of such a contrail, say every 30 minutes.

Or just a before and after photo.

Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by firepilot

 

I love it because in truth the skies above probably do look like the Battle of Britain skies, though I wasn't there and can't know for sure, but the Weather Modification Wars is a good way to describe the obscenity that the sky has become.

You are delving headfirst in the world of the absurd.

Weather Modification wars? You are getting mislead and lied to by the conspiracy promoters and merchants of fear.

Maybe you should find a way to not live in a world of fear. Maybe spend a single day away from chemtrail sites, and spend that day learning about aviation, and meterology. And for good measure, read up on the lies of the chemtrail promoters and how they hoaxed people from the start.

Thankyou for your assessment of my situation. Happy to reassure you that I don't live in fear of anything except the wrath of God. Timelines are important even though time is an artifact and I didn't find or read anything about chemtrails until long after I personally discovered them in our skies. As Bob Dylan said, "...you don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows" I don't need someone to tell me that the skies are the same beautiful blue they've always been when I can see for myself that they are not. I made a log of plane crashes tied into spraying (i.e. aluminum particulates and moving parts) and convinced myself long before I saw a chemtrail site. So thanks for your concern but I'm doing just fine without your input.

Originally posted by luxordelphi
I made a log of plane crashes tied into spraying (i.e. aluminum particulates and moving parts) and convinced myself long before I saw a chemtrail site. So thanks for your concern but I'm doing just fine without your input.

Post the log.

Originally posted by Uncinus
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

I'd love to see some evidence of a contrail that was visible for 8 hours. While it's possible, normally they would be at least 200 miles away (and about 50 miles wide) after 8 hours.

Could you take some photos of such a contrail, say every 30 minutes.

Or just a before and after photo.

FYI: see YouTube (no kidding.)
P.S. FYI: see the video on the last link in the openining post of this thread. Happy hunting!

reply to post by Uncinus


Well I certainly can't accuse you of being the king of sensitivity, that's for certain. And under normal circumstances, I'd discuss this further with you and maybe even enjoy the debate. However in surgery they nicked the nerve that is keeping my daugher-in-law from swallowing and speaking. I only posted to alert everyone that two people are feeling the effects. Maybe she and I will be the first ones to die from it, who knows? But whatever you do, do not be dismissive or condescending. She and I are both health professionals. I posted honestly fwiw.

Originally posted by luxordelphi

Thankyou for your assessment of my situation. Happy to reassure you that I don't live in fear of anything except the wrath of God. Timelines are important even though time is an artifact and I didn't find or read anything about chemtrails until long after I personally discovered them in our skies. As Bob Dylan said, "...you don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows" I don't need someone to tell me that the skies are the same beautiful blue they've always been when I can see for myself that they are not. I made a log of plane crashes tied into spraying (i.e. aluminum particulates and moving parts) and convinced myself long before I saw a chemtrail site. So thanks for your concern but I'm doing just fine without your input.

Well you apparently have been quite lied to, and are apparently lying to yourself, and ignoring facts, in order to hold onto your second religion, which is chemtrails.

There is NO evidence of aluminum particulates, you were just told that by chemtrail promoters however.

Plane crashes tied into spraying? Again, no such thing since there is no such "spraying" unless you mean cropdusters, which do crash

Man I can't believe I've been lied to all these years. I knew everything was peachy and there is nothing going on, just happy days yay! The government never lies to us, they're always up front, and they have our best interest in mind.

What's sad is that all you bashers gang up on people who seek the truth and know the truth. You all hi-jack these threads with your smart a$$ remarks and the I'm smarter than you responses.

The fact is, you're never going to change our minds, because "we" seek the truth, not your attempts to disprove us.

I could care less what you think about me or say about me. Chemtrails are real, you know it, and we know it.

Science can't prove/disprove everything!

reply to post by chrismicha77

The fact is, you're never going to change our minds, because "we" seek the truth, not your attempts to disprove us.

From all indications you seem to think you already have found "the truth".
You seem quite satisfied to investigate only that which supports that "truth".