Brain War 1. Skeptics VS Reality. Its bigger then utubing and snippets.

Originally posted by Judge_Holden
reply to post by EmVeeFF

 

Nonsense. The WTC's were quite large targets. If I am not mistaken, they were over 200 feet wide. A normal runway at a commercial airport is anywhere from 150 to 200 feet wide. So how exactly would a professional pilot have a hard time hitting a vertical object that is more wide than the surface they are supposed to land on? That's like saying a pilot would have a hard time flying straight.

TextThat's like saying a pilot would have a hard time flying straight.

HELL! or just simply landing.

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527

Originally posted by Judge_Holden
reply to post by EmVeeFF

 

Nonsense. The WTC's were quite large targets. If I am not mistaken, they were over 200 feet wide. A normal runway at a commercial airport is anywhere from 150 to 200 feet wide. So how exactly would a professional pilot have a hard time hitting a vertical object that is more wide than the surface they are supposed to land on? That's like saying a pilot would have a hard time flying straight.

TextThat's like saying a pilot would have a hard time flying straight.

HELL! or just simply landing.

Imm, you have a point but, Most pilots don't land their planes at 500mph. But thats just my brain thoughts.

reply to post by Demoncreeper

Thanks for your deep feelings on that day.

My eyes were glued to as it took me 4 minutes to wake up from all the neighbors hollering.
I thought it was one of our buildings here in the nation’s capital, so I was scared, but then when I gained focused it said New York.
I went to the bathroom to brush my teeth and suddenly the whole neighborhood screams at once, a lot of the saying ‘OH MY GOD OH MY GOD’ I ran to the TV to see what had happened and that is when the second plane crashed. ‘Freaking awful’

Oil for who, Cheney or bush?

Originally posted by Wizayne
I wasn’t complicit in orchestrating 9/11 and have not been confided in by anyone that was. However, I probably have put more time and thought into it than most college students do in four years of school. I also don’t have time right now to write an essay. That being said…

The twin towers: All smart people have to do is watch the videos of the buildings fall enough times while asking themselves “Is gravity the only thing at work here”, why are things flying out laterally. The furthest Squib I’ve found is 60 floors below the collapse zone, there is no working theory how that is possible by gravity alone, and you won’t find one. Liquefied metal poured out of the corners, and Molten metal was pooled under the rubble for months, try that at home with fire. Close your eyes and try to image 8 floors per second crushing and ejecting the debris, that’s 8 floors per second yet the building held fine up to that point then BAM!, it just let go. And a million other observations, bla bla bla…

Pentagon could have been hit by a plane with a POD attached which fired the missile. Hence no videos released because they show a flash before impact just as the tower planes did. Or not. I’m not as interested in the front HOLE as I am with the holes it punched through all the way to the C RING. That’s several walls. And the photos I’ve looked over seem to show debris that seems to have been thrown OUT of the building onto the lawn AFTER the initial blast. Also, the fires seem to be in parts of the building further to the left and up from the impact as if they were set by something else.

Shanksville crash: I believe it was shot down or blown up from within. I mean please, look at the neat little mark in the ground and tell me a plane crashed straight into the earth there, nuff said.

At least three of the planes needed to be remotely flown to guarantee accuracy, PERIOD.

And if Building seven doesn’t make your hair stand on end, crawl back in your hole because buildings like that don’t just suddenly fall into itself in 7 seconds. PERIOD. Building seven was imploded almost conventionally, making the whole day staged. Controlled demolition equals inside job period.

I’m missing like three days worth of writing but that’s some of my brain thoughts. And I don’t care WHO did it, let’s agree it couldn’t have been the who and the way we were told.

I would buy your book any day,thanks for a well thought out...semi conclusion.

LKE YOU SAID !,buildings just dont fall like that>>

TextShanksville crash: I believe it was shot down or blown up from within

So do you think all the airplans had some kind of 'bomb device' attached to them.

Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527

Originally posted by jude11
My opinion?

Building 7 is highly suspect and the answers lie there. If 7 is suspect, that makes the entire event suspect IMO.

Do I believe Bush knew about it? Yes. Did he plan it? No...not intelligent enough. He wouldn't have been able to stop it even if he tried. Puppet that he was (is)

Thanks

Thanks for your own replie.
What was in building 7 by chance?

Not much...just 100's of millions, up to a Billion (Depending on the source) in Gold & Silver...and not to mention a nice insurance policy to boot.

Alphabet offices etc.

This is all public knowledge tho. Actually I believe the CIA offices weren't disclosed until after the fact.

WOW,So who benifits and who doesnt from gold and silver.

The official version of events is just a pack of lies. For proof check out the video '9/11 Blueprint for truth'. As for how such a stunt could be pulled off, the JFK assassination was just the start. Any organisation that could kill its own president and cover it up has some clout.

One theory I am entertaining is that there is an alien invasion scenario behind all this mess, it does help explain the reason for no disclosure on the issue as the news is not good. But then it may just be a pack of greedy, self centred, psychopathic ******* more concerned with their own bank account and personal security and do not have a clue as to what global security means.

Without any doubt, the planes had add-ons. At the very least remote controls or computer assistance. And almost certainly had explosives in the form of missiles or other explosives.

Besides, fly in a 757 and try to imagine what physically needs to happen to remove the pilots and replace them with amateurs in mid-flight. Its a tight fit in those planes.

reply to post by kwakakev


From my inside sources it was aliens to, and that the aliens guided the airplane through a portal to hit those objects, they say the last airplane actually did not make it through the portal.

So I go to my other source to see if it was true, they said no, the airplanes was guided by some gravity beam by the aliens not a portal.

They said that is why the flight simulations would find it impossible for that airplane to hit the pentagon as to how the radar and flight simulations indicate.

He told me the first 2 days of the actual film of all the plans showed the bluish white streak right before the actual plane comes into play of every video. Since I cant find it I have to stay with my earthly conclusions, and just keep this down to earth.

reply to post by Wizayne

Without any doubt, the planes had add-ons. At the very least remote controls or computer assistance. And almost certainly had explosives in the form of missiles or other explosives.

Wow, without any doubt? Are these your "brain thoughts" or do you have any evidence to back that up?

Darnit, I forgot we are only able to post our opinion in this thread! Oh well.

You should at least know that what you are considering "without any doubt" is pure speculation and ignorant conjecture.

Besides, fly in a 757 and try to imagine what physically needs to happen to remove the pilots and replace them with amateurs in mid-flight.

Hmmm, let me take a guess here: I don't know, maybe surprise the pilots with a cockpit invasion and slash their throats? Yeah, that sounds about right.

Its a tight fit in those planes.

Tight enough to get up and walk around though, right?

Originally posted by Judge_Holden
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

Here is my opinion:

On 9/11, 19 Muslim extremists, motivated by a deadly mix of extremist ideologies and perceived injustices at the hands of western civilization, hijacked four airplanes in a coordinated attack on the United States of America. Due at least partially to the drastic failure of the intelligence and military bureaucracy, nearly 3,000 innocent individuals lost their lives. While aspects of the United States government ultimately failed in protecting its citizens, they were not directly involved in any way, shape, or form.

The Twin Towers:

Two of the four planes flew into towers 1 and 2 of the WTC. The ensuing damage caused by two Boeing 767's slamming into the buildings at an excess of 450 miles per hour, coupled with out of control fires from over 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, were directly responsible for the collapse of the two buildings.

Building Seven:

Building seven collapsed primarily due to the damage it suffered from falling debris as the two towers collapsed, the massive fires that resulted, and the systematic failure of numerous trusses within the building (which is evidenced by the penthouse falling about ten seconds before the collapse of the rest of the building... this is conveniently edited out of most YouTube videos).

The Pentagon:

Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. The debris, the eyewitness accounts, the recovered bodies, and the photographic evidence (yes, the photographic evidence) leaves absolutely no doubt in my mind.

Shanksville:

Flight 93 crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, as a result of the courageous acts of the passengers inside. The "burnt hole" in the ground can be attributed to the fact that the plane was travelling at an upwards of 550 mph before slamming head-on into the ground.


That is my rather condensed opinion.

edit on 27-6-2011 by Judge_Holden because: (no reason given)

WOW!! Your imagination is running wild!!
A much easier way to say this is I believe the official story 100%

reply to post by Judge_Holden



I don't care what you think equally as much as you disagree with my thoughts. Nice try though. I got angry like you when I first realized something was wrong. You'll come around. Good day sir.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


I think it was fairly well explained by Zbigniew Brzezinski in his PNAC scribbling's. Personally I had been waiting for something like 911 to occur for many years and wondered why it took them so long.

It has always been more than obvious to me that governments of every shape and size and color have carried out things like this over and over and over again. Its no surprise whatsoever to me.

Will we ever get the true full story? hahahhahahhahahahahahah that's funny.

Do I need more proof other than my suspicion they would do something like this before it happened or that it was my immediate impression as soon as I saw the second plane hit live on tv? Nope.

I knew immediately they would use Bin Laden as a patsy. When I saw the buildings fall and heard another one hit the pentagon I knew immediately It was the big push to rush in the new paradigm and low and behold the good ole patriot act was just sitting there waiting in the wings. It's no large leap by any means to see and know full well that This was planned for quite a while and it certainly wasn't done so by men in caves.

Thats fkn crazy.

reply to post by mb2591

A much easier way to say this is I believe the official story 100%

The official story is a word made up by truthers to rally up anti-government sentiment.

So what do you believe? A story peddled to you by snake-oil salesmen, college dropouts/convicts, obscure French writers and Alex Jones?

reply to post by Judge_Holden


As if politicians are anything other than organized crime . Tha'ts funny.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


It is this type of ignorant ridicule that keeps the public chasing it's tail. If you want to think the Earth is an isolated island in this universe that is your choice. The OP asked for theories and there is a lot of evidence around that we are not alone.

On the surface to even think that 9/11 was an inside job requires a circle of power devoid of humanity and concepts alien to most people. Then to get inside the workings of the MIC and the alien topic has a lot of strong connections. Laugh it off without considering the evidence at your own peril. I am not certain about any possible connections and relationships, but if you want to get to the bottom of the rabbit hole you may not like what you see.

Physics IS reality.

That is the trouble with this business.

Some people are so dumb it doesn't do any good to beat them over the head with physics.

It bounces off.

psik

Originally posted by Judge_Holden
reply to post by mb2591

 

A much easier way to say this is I believe the official story 100%

The official story is a word made up by truthers to rally up anti-government sentiment.

So what do you believe? A story peddled to you by snake-oil salesmen, college dropouts/convicts, obscure French writers and Alex Jones?

Lol what are you talking about "the official story is a word made up by truthers" that's just me saying you believe that the official reports and releases..??

No I don't believe anyone.. I believe evidence.. and I do my own research. I don't claim to know who was behind the attacks but I do know what we have been told doesn't add up.

Haha and you insinuate I'm the gullible one.
Just cause your in college doesn't mean your smarter than anyone on this board.

And before you never said that.. I know...but your attitude suggest you think a little to highly of yourself.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


All information is second hand.

There is no such thing as "absolute first hand experience". If you imagine that is what you are basing your opinions on you are lying to yourself. Go back and read Descartes again and start from the beginning of the modern scientific method.

This, ironically, is the only absolute truth.

So you have to ask yourself: Do you think the normal laws of physics applied to the events that day or do you think something magical happened.

If you the former then you are a truther.
If the latter you will try to justify the OS by sticking more religiously to the OS.

Those are your options, they are the only options.

There are ways to find what things can be expected to happen according to physical law: It is called the scientific method.
If you believe in the OS then you deny the scientific method, because the scientific method does not support the OS.

That doesn't mean the OS is wrong, it is just that it is not possible to claim that you BELIEVE the OS fully AND claim that you BELIEVE the scientific method is the correct way to address issues of fact.

It really is just that simple.

I'll make this simple since you dont want a lot..

I was hypnotized.. I couldn't not watch, yet I didn't believe what I was seeing. I was stunned to see the tower fall, and even more stunned to see it fall again.. it didnt add up my brains said..

happy?

Originally posted by Judge_Holden
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

Here is my opinion:

On 9/11, 19 Muslim extremists, motivated by a deadly mix of extremist ideologies and perceived injustices at the hands of western civilization, hijacked four airplanes in a coordinated attack on the United States of America. Due at least partially to the drastic failure of the intelligence and military bureaucracy, nearly 3,000 innocent individuals lost their lives. While aspects of the United States government ultimately failed in protecting its citizens, they were not directly involved in any way, shape, or form.

The Twin Towers:

Two of the four planes flew into towers 1 and 2 of the WTC. The ensuing damage caused by two Boeing 767's slamming into the buildings at an excess of 450 miles per hour, coupled with out of control fires from over 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, were directly responsible for the collapse of the two buildings.

Building Seven:

Building seven collapsed primarily due to the damage it suffered from falling debris as the two towers collapsed, the massive fires that resulted, and the systematic failure of numerous trusses within the building (which is evidenced by the penthouse falling about ten seconds before the collapse of the rest of the building... this is conveniently edited out of most YouTube videos).

The Pentagon:

Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. The debris, the eyewitness accounts, the recovered bodies, and the photographic evidence (yes, the photographic evidence) leaves absolutely no doubt in my mind.

Shanksville:

Flight 93 crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, as a result of the courageous acts of the passengers inside. The "burnt hole" in the ground can be attributed to the fact that the plane was travelling at an upwards of 550 mph before slamming head-on into the ground.


That is my rather condensed opinion.

My opinion is that the only shred of truth in this entire quote is this

nearly 3,000 innocent individuals lost their lives.

the rest is complete and utter BULLSPIT!! So Judge, how are things in Fantasyland? Give my best to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.