The toughest sin to overcome?

For me it's masturbation, just from personal experience. So what's your toughest thing to overcome as a human? Anybody welcome to speak. I would like to hear what things in life seem the hardest to accomplish

to have hurt people that were not responsible for my bad luck and anger.

reply to post by JesusisTruthh


i would say it depends on what one's definition of "sin".

i certainly don't think masturbation ranks there with some of the more notorious things we humans are capable of.
in fact, i'm fairly certain it's sinful nature is in the eye (or hand, if you will) of the beholder.

and then i read your user-name, and realized what i was up against. yipes.

well, in the spirit of playing along, i will say -vanity- is a difficult "sin" to overcome, for so long as we are staring in the proverbial mirror, it is difficult to give proper due to the rest of reality.

Sin is a debatable thing.

I believe that the bible is a fictional story that has a few good points, but should not be taken literally.

I live by the motto:

"This is the law, do what thou wilt."

I am not a Christian, but from what I hear about sinning, it sounds like your religion is telling you to be perfect and unnatural.

Originally posted by DARKCYDE_CROWLEY


I live by the motto:

"This is the law, do what thou wilt."

what you have quoted is an altering of the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do what ye wil"
in other words, do as thy will, but harm to none.

it was aleister crowely who changed this axiom into "Do as thy wilt is the whole of the law."

i personally disagree with the Crowely alteration, as it seems that their is a morality to the universe when it comes to free-will, and that is to cause no unecessary suffering, regardless of our own desires.

this concept is echoed in many other wisdom traditions, but hey, ol' Aleister certainly had his own take on the things.

Lust and Sloth.

2nd line.

BTW... i am wondering if the OP is intended as a joke, as one cannot help but to draw a parallel between the 'hardest' adjective in the title, and the OP's sin of choice.

so, errr.... ummmm.... right.

i suppose i will save my 'nature of sin' diatribes for another thread that has less double etendres and potential fool baiting as this one does.

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It's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love under will; Love is the Law," from Aleister Crowleys' Liber AL vel Legis or Book of the Law as it's also called.

Most people focus only on the first part of the phrase and assume it means only that, at face value. Most people, however, are ridiculously thick....including myself occasionally

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh

For me it's masturbation, just from personal experience. So what's your hardest thing to overcome as a human? Anybody welcome to speak. I would like to hear what things in life seem the hardest to accomplish.

I know you're just mocking (I've seen your other posts), but I'll answer anyway. None of us can overcome sin. The point of the Bible isn't that we must overcome our sin, it's that we need a Savior because we are incapable of defeating sin ourselves. Anyone who says they've overcome sin is a liar (add that to their list of sins, LOL!)

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ahoy! thanks for the elucidation. and here it was, i thought i was up on my A.Crowley. i suppose i have a twinge of prejudice against him, as i believe he has done as much harm as good for any sort of modern wiccan movement.

anyhow, a quote from good ol' wiki... "It [meaning crowley's axiom you quoted] is also similar to the pagan proverb: An ye harm none, do what thou wilt; but the oldest known statement of a similar idea is by St. Augustine of Hippo: Love, and do what thou wilt.

thanks again for the autocorrect, and my apologies to a. crowley for my incorrect paraphrase.

Originally posted by mythos

Originally posted by DARKCYDE_CROWLEY


I live by the motto:

"This is the law, do what thou wilt."

what you have quoted is an altering of the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do what ye wil"
in other words, do as thy will, but harm to none.

it was aleister crowely who changed this axiom into "Do as thy wilt is the whole of the law."

i personally disagree with the Crowely alteration, as it seems that their is a morality to the universe when it comes to free-will, and that is to cause no unecessary suffering, regardless of our own desires.

this concept is echoed in many other wisdom traditions, but hey, ol' Aleister certainly had his own take on the things.

I already know, and completely agree with everything you just posted.

I'm not sure that masturbation would be in and of itself a sin.

I seem to recall only two references in the Bible to what seems to be suggestive of masturbation. There might be additional ones that I can't think of at this time. The first is in Genesis, where Onan does not want to get his brother's wife Tamar pregnant, so he spills his semen on the ground and is killed by God. That does not specifically mention that Onan masturbated, just that he let it go on the ground instead of into Tamar to produce a son for his deceased brother. Maybe he was practicing a type of withdrawal method of contraception.

The other mention seems to be in the book of Leviticus where it talks about a man's "seed of copulation" coming out and making him unclean such that he needed to wash himself and wait until the next day. This seems to apply more to a ceremonial uncleanness. That event might be thought of as masturbation, but it could also refer to a nocturnal emission ("wet dream"), or whatever else might cause an ejaculation.

I think the greater issue is not the masturbation itself, but what thoughts lead to the act, like the lust; and in some cases, the excessive amount of time the activity takes away from other more productive activities.

I think that a greater sin would be pride, though, when it comes to admitting one's shortcomings.

Originally posted by mythos
BTW... i am wondering if the OP is intended as a joke, as one cannot help but to draw a parallel between the 'hardest' adjective in the title, and the OP's sin of choice.

so, errr.... ummmm.... right.

i suppose i will save my 'nature of sin' diatribes for another thread that has less double etendres and potential fool baiting as this one does.

lmao... I changed the topic. it's not a joke. That was too much man.

Yes i know it well the eleventh commandment thou shall not masturbate.Bailiff whack his pee pee.

Originally posted by SavedOne

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh

For me it's masturbation, just from personal experience. So what's your hardest thing to overcome as a human? Anybody welcome to speak. I would like to hear what things in life seem the hardest to accomplish.

I know you're just mocking (I've seen your other posts), but I'll answer anyway. None of us can overcome sin. The point of the Bible isn't that we must overcome our sin, it's that we need a Savior because we are incapable of defeating sin ourselves. Anyone who says they've overcome sin is a liar (add that to their list of sins, LOL!)

edit on 27-6-2011 by SavedOne because: (no reason given)

lol not mocking. But I agree. Only Gods strength can over come sin completely. We have the ability to chose though to be dilligent in putting out effort in trying to overcome.

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Despair.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
For me it's masturbation, just from personal experience. So what's your toughest thing to overcome as a human? Anybody welcome to speak. I would like to hear what things in life seem the hardest to accomplish

edit on 27-6-2011 by JesusisTruthh because: LOL

Uhm, thats...nice


I'd say "love thy enemy"

Pride is the number one offender for most folks, after its what made the devil the devil.

I was born a woman. There are some that say that we're the root of all evil