Al Sadr militia ready for attacks against US troops if US doesn't leave Iraq as scheduled

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by macman

There is no honor in strapping a bomb to your chest, running at someone and detonating.
To fight to the end is just that.

That is what we say.

And when the suicide bombers attack innocent civilians, we are right.

Sorry, but I don't live my life on what "they" think.

In the demented lunacy that is Islam suiciding yourself by commiting mass murder against unbelievers is considered the highest and most noble goal a muslim can aspire too - the one and only gauranteed method of obtaining salvation.

Ideally suited to criminals and people of thoroughly bad character - since all previous sins ars absolved. But also very appealing to the millions of people in the muslim world who have not the slightest prospects in life other than poverty, tyranny and repression.

To view it as an act of desperation is merely to reveal your Westerncentric view of everything!

Originally posted by Vitchilo

In April, Sadr threatened to reactivate the Mahdi Army, which he formally disbanded in 2008, if US forces do not withdraw at the end of the year as scheduled under the terms of a bilateral security pact.

I suspect Sadr will reactivate the Mahdi Army right after we leave. That's what he's waiting for. That's why we are there.

America is not going anywhere. We will be in Iraq for a very long time. We did not spend all that time and money establishing functional control of the area just to give it up to a bunch of backwards muslims only interested in Jihad.

Gitmo is not a place, it is American policy in the Islamic world. Git Mo. Get Mohammed.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
America is not going anywhere. We will be in Iraq for a very long time. We did not spend all that time and money establishing functional control of the area just to give it up to a bunch of backwards muslims only interested in Jihad.

Gitmo is not a place, it is American policy in the Islamic world. Git Mo. Get Mohammed.

edit on 26-6-2011 by mike_trivisonno because: (no reason given)

Stay classy,America...stay classy...

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America is not going anywhere. We will be in Iraq for a very long time. We did not spend all that time and money establishing functional control of the area just to give it up to a bunch of backwards muslims only interested in Jihad.

Being in Iraq for a long time....and not to mention, Afghanistan .. costs money.

For starters...
www.npr.org...

Gee... thats a LOT of money. At least in my opinion.

Gitmo is not a place, it is American policy in the Islamic world. Git Mo. Get Mohammed.

So what you are saying is.... American policy is not just about making out with Saudi royalty.

Originally posted by macman

There is no Honor or Bravery in killing yourself, as it ends the fear of continuing the fight.

who cares about honor?


There is no such thing as a fair fight, humans fight to win.

There is no honor.

orrr

I could argue;
Death before Dishonor.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by Trublbrwing
Why is it always suicide attacks with these guys?

They would gladly trade their suicide vests for modern weaponry such a drones and hellfire missiles.

Suicide attackers are brave and there is no denying that. All of the insurgents are.

I hear you, but a lack of sophisticated weaponry is no excuse for replacing tactics with terrorism.
According to the OP these troops are regular army, not militia, so they should act in accordance with the Geneva convention.

It's time for the inevitable to happen. Pull out of Iraq and watch the country tear itself to shreds from within our border. Iraq will not remain stable without U.S. influence in the country. End of story. Needs to happen though, so at least the idiotic violence directed at civilians is not blamed directly on the U.S. this time.

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They obviously don't want that war to end and want them to stay. As if doing that is going to make them pull out faster. By killing US troops like that they will only stay there longer! Does anyone honestly think that the US will take that lying down? If I was them and wanted the US to leave I would be doing everything I can to facilitate it not stall it!

Originally posted by Exuberant1
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Want to see some big numbers? Then google the amount of mercenaries over there right now....

14,548 as of 15 MAY 2011.

The figures for contractors includes KBR plumbers & electricians, Pakistani truck drivers, Bangladeshi laundry personnel, Indian cooks and AAFES clerks, Filipino welders and other unarmed support personnel.

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A much larger conflict will erupt before the end of the year. The U.S. doesn't care what this guy says. The U.S. forces will be moved for strategic reasons not his.

Jeish Mehdi was, and is, comprised of the dregs of Iraqi society. Even the other Shia militias want nothing to do with them. They are thugs, robbers, rapists, thieves, drunks and drug addicts.

There is no real organization beyond the street gang level, no CCC and they are not in any way, shape or form insurgents. They are terrorists. If you consider them the same then there's a lot of schooling you need and it'd take more time than I have

The neoconservatives would fight tooth and nail to prevent the US from withdrawing, even if it means the death of so many Innocent lives. In fact I would see a time when there will the another Vietnam situation because of this.

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As I recall I don't think we won one single engagement with the Sadr Militia?
Most ended in a stalemate ..as do most battles in urban warfare..no clear winner..only lots of collateral damage.

The tragic outcome of this foreign policy debacle left over from the Asses Of Evil (Bush Cheney Rumsfeld) will finally be realized the day US Forces are completly withdrawn. Turkey will take the Northern Kurdish held territories and the oilfield at Kirkuk ..and the Sunnis from Syria will take the western portion and Shia will align with Iran..leaving Iraq a splinitered shell of mass destruction.

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Uh yeah right after the US acts in accordance with the geneva conventions first.....overthrowing legal goverments etc....

Like bombing countries back to the stone age so they can reap fat rebuilding contracts.....When is it legal to do what the US has been doing to people all over the world.

Watch Senator Webb....he just made news interviews screaming "China's a threat".....

He's trying to rally support for a new war front. If he gets his way America's done.

They'd have to kill all the Chinese in America before they even fired first at China......or maybe the Pentagon/CIA would nuke Guam and say "it was China and North Korea".....to try and trick everyone into the next war front.


We can't leave Iraq because the Saudi Riyal is NO LONGER PEGGED TO THE US DOLLAR.

You need 4 US dollars to get 1 Saudi Riyal now. Soon to be a whole lot more.

Al Sadr, if he thinks it would be a "good" idea to reconstitute his "militia" and try and force the co-alition forces into leaving Iraq, on Al Sadr's timetable, then I guess he'll just have to do that. Of course, he'll do it from Iran, where he's "studying". Guess it sucks if your in his militia, which is what, 60,000 or so strong, facing the, oh, I'm sorry, did I say co-alition forces before? Let's just stick with U.S. forces, since those are the folks he seems to think he might be intimidating. Lets see, 60K militia against 50K US forces? I'd have to put my money on the US forces, just using history as a guide. Yep, a lot of innocent militia are gonna die, probably some U.S. forces too, but, for a guy who's "studying" in Iran, he really doen't have to worry about the consequences of his actions one way or another, does he? Personally, I think we should just stick to the agreement that was made between the governments of Irag and the United States. I mean, I know they're politicians, and it doesn't matter WHO's government your talking about, how far are you gonna trust politicians? But do you think that Al Sadr might just start something up anyway to panic the Iraqi gaovernment into breaking the agreement and thus giving this holy man, Al Sadr, an excuse to fire up his militia? I think he might be capable of doing something incredibly stupid like that. Again, since like when he was hiding out in Iraq, he's now hiding out, sorry, studying, in Iran, what does it matter to him anyway? He doesn't represent the people, all the people, of Iraq, does he? Did anyone elect him to speak for the people of Iraq? Don't know. In the end, I guess some people never learn.