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Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by AverageJoe1
Nobody said Gaddafi was an angel, but it's the people who believe in the Libyan revolution who have been duped, not to mention how completely ignorant you are considering the evidence is staring you all in the face and you still refuse to see it.
Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by AverageJoe1
Nobody said Gaddafi was an angel, but it's the people who believe in the Libyan revolution who have been duped, not to mention how completely ignorant you are considering the evidence is staring you all in the face and you still refuse to see it.
Over 1 million people came out recently in support of Gaddafi, considerably more than the so called phony revolution.
Funny how there's no mention of this on our TV's here in the UK, just more lies of Gaddafi supposedly threatening Europe, which is more Western media spin & lies.
You'll have to watch this video on youtube, You have to laugh at the CNN reportor whose trying to make out this is an anti Gadaffi protest, when they are shouting America out and holding up pictures of Gadaffi and chanting his name.
www.youtube.com...
More supporters of Gaddafi on the streets of Benghazi
www.youtube.com...
The message is clear - NATO get out!edit on 2-7-2011 by kindred because: links
Originally posted by Cambion
I don't understand why people always mention the fact of asking our troops if it is too much or can we expect them to do it. These people have signed on to a respective military force and get paid to do formentioned job. I understand that the lost of life in any respect is bad, but people in the military in my country (Britain) have signed on by their own freewill.
The fact that countless military personnal get killed every year is undisputible, but it has to be put into perspective, what are they dying for is the big question.
In the first world war we lost more life per hour than in the entire gulf war to date, so this just proves (within reason) that it isn't the loss of life (so to speak), but the reason why it was lost, and it is this that I think is the problem. Troops don't know what they are exactly fighting for, they get told human-rights but at home it looks like we (home of said troops) are attacking for some other reason.
This is probably the wrong place to have said this but maybe it needed to be said, so please don't just attack the reply I just wanted to say it.
No western army is designed to police a foreign country, they are designed to attack and remove all possible threats to allied forces/countries. Now that is the problem.
Originally posted by minto
I hope Libya and neighbour countries kicks the crap outa NATO! Its about time people stood up to America just invading everyone.
....I do believe it's very possible that the revolution may be risk of being hijacked.........in fact, perhaps it's already been hijacked....
This report analyzes the gap between current international governance institutions, organizations and norms and the demands for global governance likely to be posed by long-term strategic challenges over the next 15 years. The report is the product of research and analysis by the NIC and EUISS following a series of international dialogues co-organized by the Atlantic Council, TPN, and other partner organizations in Beijing, Tokyo, Dubai, New Delhi, Pretoria, Sao Paulo & Brasilia, Moscow, and Paris. The executive summary is below.
Executive Summary
Global governance—the collective management of common problems at the international level—is at a critical juncture.....
... "Strengthening the role the United Nations can play...will require serious examination of the need to extend into the international arena the rule of law and the principle of taxation to finance agreed actions which provide the basis for governance at the national level. But this will not come about easily. Resistance to such changes is deeply entrenched. They will come about not through the embrace of full blown world government, but as a careful and pragmatic response to compelling imperatives and the inadequacies of alternatives."
"The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. What is needed is recognition of the reality that in so many fields, and this is particularly true of environmental issues, it is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation-states, however powerful. ...
sovereignty.net...
As journalists have sought to untangle the disparate threads that unite these uprisings, one of the most interesting revelations has been a common reference to a dusty -- but still relevant -- book, "From Dictatorship to Democracy."
Earlier this month, the New York Times proclaimed its author, Gene Sharp, a "shy intellectual" who had created "the playbook for revolution" -- noting that his work was posted on the Muslim Brotherhood website during the Egyptian uprising, and was cited equally among Tunisians, Bosnians and Estonians in their quest for freedom. So far, it has been translated into 41 languages....
www.politicsdaily.com...
Tony Blair will earn around £2 million a year in his part-time role as adviser to the Wall Street bank JP Morgan without ever having to go into the office... Last night rumours were growing that he is also increasingly keen on landing the job as the first fully fledged president of the European Union... www.telegraph.co.uk...
...Mr Dimon, who is one of the leading Democrats on Wall Street, said he phoned Mr Blair personally. “I went to visit him and we hit it off.”
He said it was important to both men “to try to make the world a better place...
Fabian socialism
As the anarcho-communists argued for a form of socialism so decentralized that it required the abolition of the state, a milder and markedly centralist version of socialism, Fabianism, emerged in Britain. Fabian Socialism was so called because the members of the Fabian Society admired the tactics of the Roman general Fabius Cunctator (Fabius the Delayer), who avoided pitched battles and gradually wore down Hannibal’s forces. Instead of revolution, the Fabians favoured “gradualism” as the way to bring about socialism. Their notion of socialism, like Saint-Simon’s, entailed social control of property through an effectively and impartially administered state—a government ... (100 of 8509 words) www.britannica.com...
New World Encyclopedia - Organizing knowledge for happiness, prosperity and world peace.
The Fabian Society is a British socialist intellectual movement, whose purpose is to advance the socialist cause by gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary means....
Fabian Society
The Fabian Society is a British socialist intellectual movement, whose purpose is to advance the socialist cause by gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary means....
London School of Economics
Four Fabians, Beatrice and Sidney Webb, Graham Wallas, and George Bernard Shaw founded the London School of Economics with money left to the Fabian Society, including a bequest of £20,000 by Henry Hutchinson....
The LSE was established to further the Fabian aim of bettering society, focusing on research on issues of poverty, inequality and related issues. This led the Fabians, and the LSE, to be one of the main influences on the UK Labour Party.[4]
The school was founded with the initial intention of renewing the training of Britain's political and business elite...
LSE in this sense must be looked at as the father of modern economics studies. Under Beveridge, Friedrich Hayek was appointed as a professor and he brought about the ascendancy of the LSE through his famous debates with John Maynard Keynes..... Many renowned world leaders including John F. Kennedy studied under his guidance at the LSE....
Anthony Giddens, the former director of the LSE, was the creator of the 'Third Way' followed by both Tony Blair (who unveiled the Fabian Window at LSE in 2005) and Bill Clinton. His policy created a balance between the traditional welfare state and the belief in total free market economics. This policy is being put into effect by governments all across the world as free market economies continue to deal with wealth inequalities and bettering the welfare of the general population...
....“Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.”
George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470)
[permitted to live???? ]
KILLING THOSE “UNFIT TO LIVE”
“The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”
Source: George Bernard Shaw, Prefaces (London: Constable and Co., 1934), p. 296....
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by AverageJoe1
Star and flag for the post.
I have not read all eighteen pages however I saw this on the last page...
....I do believe it's very possible that the revolution may be risk of being hijacked.........in fact, perhaps it's already been hijacked....
I think it was orchestrated from the start.
Here are the clues.
The deliberate withdrawal of protection for the Mexican border. I went into detail at the beginning of the year - posted on 13-2-2011 in my thread: Napolitano sets stage for False Flag Terrorist Attack (Egypt blew up on 25 January 2011)
I mention a formula from Days of Infamy that has been successfully used to involve the USA in War.
The first stage is to Aggravate, literally to goad them until they had no choice but to strike back (sound familiar?)
The second prong of the strategy is to Insulate. Keep the victims (that's us) from getting the information needed to protect themselves.
The third and final stage is to Facilitate the attack: make it easy by offering no opposition. Like refusing to adequately patrol the US/Mexican border.
ACTUAL Plans for Global Governance in the works:
The Global Governance 2025 project
The National Intelligence Council's 2025 Project
Sep 20, 2010 - Atlantic Council
This report analyzes the gap between current international governance institutions, organizations and norms and the demands for global governance likely to be posed by long-term strategic challenges over the next 15 years. The report is the product of research and analysis by the NIC and EUISS following a series of international dialogues co-organized by the Atlantic Council, TPN, and other partner organizations in Beijing, Tokyo, Dubai, New Delhi, Pretoria, Sao Paulo & Brasilia, Moscow, and Paris. The executive summary is below.
Executive Summary
Global governance—the collective management of common problems at the international level—is at a critical juncture.....
Timeline to Global Governance
From an essay entitled "Stockholm to Rio: A Journey Down a Generation." by Maurice Strong, member of the United Nations funded Commission on Global Governance:
... "Strengthening the role the United Nations can play...will require serious examination of the need to extend into the international arena the rule of law and the principle of taxation to finance agreed actions which provide the basis for governance at the national level. But this will not come about easily. Resistance to such changes is deeply entrenched. They will come about not through the embrace of full blown world government, but as a careful and pragmatic response to compelling imperatives and the inadequacies of alternatives."
"The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. What is needed is recognition of the reality that in so many fields, and this is particularly true of environmental issues, it is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation-states, however powerful. ...
sovereignty.net...
FABIAN SOCIETY PAMPHLET in EGYPT:
From Dictator to Democracy was seen in Egypt
As journalists have sought to untangle the disparate threads that unite these uprisings, one of the most interesting revelations has been a common reference to a dusty -- but still relevant -- book, "From Dictatorship to Democracy."
Earlier this month, the New York Times proclaimed its author, Gene Sharp, a "shy intellectual" who had created "the playbook for revolution" -- noting that his work was posted on the Muslim Brotherhood website during the Egyptian uprising, and was cited equally among Tunisians, Bosnians and Estonians in their quest for freedom. So far, it has been translated into 41 languages....
www.politicsdaily.com...
and LOOKY who has free e-books including Gene Sharp's "From Dictatorship to Democracy."Fabian Essays In Socialism
Before Tony Blair became British Prime Minister in May 1997, he was Chairman of the Fabian Society
Tony Blair will earn around £2 million a year in his part-time role as adviser to the Wall Street bank JP Morgan without ever having to go into the office... Last night rumours were growing that he is also increasingly keen on landing the job as the first fully fledged president of the European Union... www.telegraph.co.uk...
So what is Blair doing besides working for JP Morgan? Mr Blair, ... is serving as an international envoy to the Middle East,
...Mr Dimon, who is one of the leading Democrats on Wall Street, said he phoned Mr Blair personally. “I went to visit him and we hit it off.”
He said it was important to both men “to try to make the world a better place...
The hundred year link between the Fabian Socialists (Progressives) and the Rothschilds & Rockefellers: www.rense.com...
Encyclopedia Britannica's definition of Fabian Socialism
Fabian socialism
As the anarcho-communists argued for a form of socialism so decentralized that it required the abolition of the state, a milder and markedly centralist version of socialism, Fabianism, emerged in Britain. Fabian Socialism was so called because the members of the Fabian Society admired the tactics of the Roman general Fabius Cunctator (Fabius the Delayer), who avoided pitched battles and gradually wore down Hannibal’s forces. Instead of revolution, the Fabians favoured “gradualism” as the way to bring about socialism. Their notion of socialism, like Saint-Simon’s, entailed social control of property through an effectively and impartially administered state—a government ... (100 of 8509 words) www.britannica.com...
This dovetails nicely with the ideas expressed by David Rockefeller:
In Sept. 14, 1994 David Rockefeller, speaking at the UN Business Council,.
"This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
"...The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
And Last we have the 2002 Rockefeller autobiography “Memoirs” where on page 405," Mr. Rockefeller writes:
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world ... If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
The Fabian's London School of Economics is where many of the World Class Leaders such as George Soros got their training.
New World Encyclopedia - Organizing knowledge for happiness, prosperity and world peace.
The Fabian Society is a British socialist intellectual movement, whose purpose is to advance the socialist cause by gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary means....
Fabian Society
The Fabian Society is a British socialist intellectual movement, whose purpose is to advance the socialist cause by gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary means....
London School of Economics
Four Fabians, Beatrice and Sidney Webb, Graham Wallas, and George Bernard Shaw founded the London School of Economics with money left to the Fabian Society, including a bequest of £20,000 by Henry Hutchinson....
The LSE was established to further the Fabian aim of bettering society, focusing on research on issues of poverty, inequality and related issues. This led the Fabians, and the LSE, to be one of the main influences on the UK Labour Party.[4]
The school was founded with the initial intention of renewing the training of Britain's political and business elite...
LSE in this sense must be looked at as the father of modern economics studies. Under Beveridge, Friedrich Hayek was appointed as a professor and he brought about the ascendancy of the LSE through his famous debates with John Maynard Keynes..... Many renowned world leaders including John F. Kennedy studied under his guidance at the LSE....
Anthony Giddens, the former director of the LSE, was the creator of the 'Third Way' followed by both Tony Blair (who unveiled the Fabian Window at LSE in 2005) and Bill Clinton. His policy created a balance between the traditional welfare state and the belief in total free market economics. This policy is being put into effect by governments all across the world as free market economies continue to deal with wealth inequalities and bettering the welfare of the general population...
Compare THAT drivel to what is actually happening, a slow return to a serf/lord system with the bankers and "intellectual elite" as the lords.
A Third World War or the THREAT of a Third World War is all about pushing nations into giving up more of their sovereignty.
This is a chilling glimpse of the real face of "Fabian Socialism" from a founding member of the Fabian Society, George Bernard Shaw. Quotes from the "The Real George Bernard Shaw":
....“Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.”
George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470)
[permitted to live???? ]
KILLING THOSE “UNFIT TO LIVE”
“The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”
Source: George Bernard Shaw, Prefaces (London: Constable and Co., 1934), p. 296....
Also see: The Dark Roots of EUGENICS By Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
Why would Iran look to strain already weak links with the West, knowing that they are itching for a reason to ramp-up efforts to attack their nation?
Why would they give the United States more reasons to justify keeping troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Furthermore, why would they funnel arms to the Taliban knowing that this could easily give credence to another troop surge?
Seeing as Iran still exists as a sovereign nation after all of these years of saber rattling, can we really assume they are dumb enough to engage in such a short-sighted and pointless practice?
According to more unnamed U.S. officials, the Iranian regime has allegedly sent military advisers to Syria to help President Bashar al-Assad crush the popular Syrian uprising.
In her recent visit to Lithuania, Clinton boasted that the clock was ticking for Syria, demanding for Damascus to “begin a genuine transition to democracy” or face an increasingly organized resistance, a Press TV correspondent reported.
Originally posted by Variable
Ok, another joke plays itself out and nothing happens. Anyone who flagged this post should not be able to flag again for one month. There should be some negative to always being wrong. We need negative flags too.
V
Originally posted by princeofpeace
Ummm yeah...just really not seeing this happening. I know this is the WWIII thread and all but cant we wait and start threads when we have something a little more credulous?
Just really not seeing WWIII in Libya and Syria right now-sorry im not.