Hollie Greig UK media blackout will not hold back the truth

i present as evidence part of an email from a previous member of robert's team. ('basil' is their name for greg lance watkins - who used to support them and hosted a website for them before he also realised the story was mainly bs).

Well, as I said before I left, I have lost a hell of a lot of faith in Green. For those who may be interested (or who remember

), since I was last here I have been able to confirm (via a call to the Court of Session) that my suspicion that Green did not lodge a defence against the Interim Interdict brought by Buchanan (A72/10 Lord Emslie presiding) was correct. As I suspected (and as Basil had informed Tom George) the Interdict became final on the 25th of March. So on that one at least, Green was lying and Basil was telling the truth. There is one potentially strange thing regarding the Interdict. That is, why is there no record of it in the public domain? (You may tell Green I was bluffing him.

) I was told by the Court of Session that it would only appear on the new on-line database of decisions if the presiding judge (Lord Emslie presumably) had written it up. www.bailii.org... Somewhat strangely though, it also does not appear on the court rolls (11th of February or 25th of March, I have not yet checked all the entries around those dates). www.scotcourts.gov.uk... There may be something in this, as apparently the highly dubious (illegal?!) ‘sectioning’ style judgement against Andy McCardle (www.youtube.com...) did not appear on any court rolls. The young lady I spoke to at the Court of Session told me cases often do not appear while they are in progress. This could explain the omission on the 11th of February. However, it surely can’t explain why there is no mention of it on the 25th of March? If you want to verify the inconvenient truth regarding Robert’s Interdict for yourself, then you can call the Court of Session on 0131 240 6880 and quote the case number (A72/10), the pursuer (Buchanan), the defender (Green) and the presiding judge (Lord Emslie). You may have to remind them that Interdicts are public documents. You could also ask them why there is no mention of it on the court rolls.

this is when robert could have taken it to court. he lied to his team when he said he filled in the paperwork for it - he didn't - this was checked by a member of his team who doubted what they were being told by green. did he not tell you about this? well there's a surprise. call the courts to confirm it if you like

I really cannot be bothered other than to add that commas apart that the person known as justy starts using capital letters correctly yet in later posts capital letters are no where to be seen by him . Two people ?


Boring .

Originally posted by MARKDALY
I really cannot be bothered other than to add that commas apart that the person known as justy starts using capital letters correctly yet in later posts capital letters are no where to be seen by him . Two people ?


Boring .

oh here we go again... accuse me of being 300-odd different people despite any evidence to the contrary. like i haven't seen that one before.

shall i list all the nicks you used on facebook goerge? do you still think i am tom george faking letters about myself even though tom included a phone number to call him on and i live in an entirely different country?

don't you have any new tactics?

Yesterday I posted 5 critical facts (not opinions, not interpretations) relating to the Hollie Greig case.

No-one has been able to challenge them or to explain how these facts might point to something other than a cover-up.

There will never be any issue on which everyone agrees, for example, there are still people who believe that the earth is flat, however there is close to universal agreement among those who have heard of the Hollie Greig case and do not have an axe to grind that something is seriously wrong.

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Originally posted by stevenmilne

Yesterday I posted 5 critical facts (not opinions, not interpretations) relating to the Hollie Greig case.

No-one has been able to challenge them or to explain how these facts might point to something other than a cover-up.

well, yes they do point out things or other explanations but they all just bounce off the surface of the regular hollie brigade die-hard believers (which probably number about 12 now, if i'm being generous)

still no documents to show people here yet?

seems you and george are the ones with axes to grind because i became a non-believer over time. i at least have brought documentation here for people to see. you expect them to believe what they are told.

want to to talk about how anne attacked and bit her son after staying awake for three days on the computer when he was only trying to get her to get some sleep?

or wonder why anne won't reply to her son's pleas for her to get in touch?

here are two letters the son has written to anne which either nobody seems to have passed on to her or she is deliberately ignoring (i have removed the names of two of the people they have named as abusers and replaced them with XXX -

this is for my mother.

would anyone reading this who knows my mum please ensure that she reads this, i would very much like her to get in touch with me. i have given my phone number and email to the other greg. please phone, write or come and see me, please. if you need an extra reason mum... i know you would not want to miss my wedding.


i would like to ask you to forgive me for lying to you ten years ago. i know you lost faith in me but understand it was a white lie. it wasnt actually a lie, i was so stressed and confused, i just didnt tell you. i knew it would tear you apart so i elected not to tell you. i did not tell dad either.

i did not tell anyone. dad discovered the letter by chance and he confronted me and we decided not tell you, because we knew it would massively, massively hurt you. it did. it was the wrong decision mum and the worst decision in my life. please get in touch and let me explain absolutely everything to you and apologise personally. i promise you i will never lie to you again. i have nothing to hide from you.


i am sorry it has taken so long to write this.


i found it hard to accept that you wanted to leave and when you took hollie away... ...in my head it broke the family mum. i apologise if i have embarrassed you, but i have come to my senses. i am my mothers son, my pride is my family and i forgive you for leaving, please forgive me for not understanding your reasons. i am proud to be your son.


hollie was never abused mum. hollie was never unhappy. hollie made sure our family was always smiling. thats what i remember.


mum. do not be fooled by mr green and make no mistake he wants a court case that is his only agenda. i was never abused, hollie was never abused, XXX´s children weren´t abused, XXX´s children werent abused...


please get in touch urgently i have more to tell you that you really need to know.


Greg Charles Mann Mackie

and this one -

Mum


You made me promise to protect Hollie if anything ever happened to you or dad, do you remember?


Something happened to you ten years ago and I couldn't stop it. You ran away and have never wanted to return.


I have rediscovered through these last ten years that your mother was a very wise woman. Please listen to her wisdom before you let Mr Green face trial and be very proud of your mum. For a start she would tell you about telling stories...


I have no doubt in my mind and my heart that Hollie says what she says because she understands it will make you happy/feel better. I do not believe she was abused by anyone and I was never abused! Were you? We were a happy family despite what life threw at times, because Hollie was always happy.


Hollie always had the most loyalty for her mum, do you remember? You know she hates hurting your feelings the most, don't you? I would say she was never capable of hurting your feelings, and even when she thought she had done she used to change her story straight away to side with her mum. Do you remember?


Before, you asked me to blame all problems on my dad and I couldnt do that, is that what Hollie has done for you now? Dad's job kept him away a lot and it was hard on us all mum.


All I have ever wanted in life was a happy family, please get in touch.


Greg

Originally posted by stevenmilne

5 In 2009, the Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini wrote to newspapers warning them they would face legal action if they covered the Hollie Greig story.

how about you tell people what really happened and how the publication in question (the firm) had to retract the story fully and make a public apology for it...

the firm apology

Justy (or rather Lyn),

Please, please, please keep on posting your demented nonsense as you perfectly demonstrate the mentality of the tiny band of people who try to derail the Hollie Greig case. I think there were perhaps about 7 of you at one time but Greg, Pabs, Gabe and co have given up and you are the last woman standing.

I think you will find there are a great deal more than 12 Hollie supporters. Robert's blog got 7,368 hits in the month of June which means somebody, somewhere was logging on to hear about the latest developments every 6 minutes.

But hold on a minute.... you claim that Anne Greig once bit her son. Well obviously that proves that the whole case is a pack of lies !!

Anyone who seriously believes that the emails which Greg Lance-Watkins claims he received from Greg Mackie (Hollie's brother) are genuine is living in cloud cuckoo land. The fact that the criminally insane Watkins was the spiritual leader of the handful of people opposing Hollie's campaign speaks volumes.

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actually it's the first time i have gotten involved again and posted anything anywhere since i quit believing the story well over a year ago and i only posted here to correct the 'facts' which you lot keep conveniently ignoring.

you can call me all the names you like and make all the allegations you like against me - i have brought real evidence to this thread while you have brought nothing and refused to supply it even.

but as i said in my first post, i've spent enough time already over all this crap and i could spend much longer pointing out the lies being told because not one of you ever bothered to check what you were being told by robert and anne - i'd have more luck nailing jelly to a wall than getting one of the remaining 'hollie's peaceful army' to admit that they might be even in the slightest bit wrong about what they are telling people (even when the proof is shoved in their faces). some people just want to believe so badly in this massive, huge, evil conspiracy against anne and robert that all reason and logic goes out of the window!

... and so you know my real name - whoopie do!

Originally posted by stevenmilne

Please, please, please keep on posting your demented nonsense as you perfectly demonstrate the mentality of the tiny band of people who try to derail the Hollie Greig case.

ok - seeing as you asked so nicely... here is a letter from an obviously deluded mental health professional, the senior house officer in psychiatry regarding anne and the aforementioned incident, which again, tells a different version to the 'official' one...






lets not forget that anne supposedly had no mental health history prior to her being sectioned according to the official story...

justyc

I was interested in hearing what you wanted to say but when asked for links to back up what you are saying all i got was a link to a image i could not read and rants when i pointed this out and i've see lots of slander but nothing to back it up and please tell me how you prove a link has been removed when it's gone and you can not provide a copy of the original.

.................>>>>>> link here removd

Links at last and this time i can read it even if both are to the same document.

So her husband had been off with another woman but not this time because, well the doctor said so as if he knows and shes upset about money going missing, dealing with the death of her brother and having to bring up Hollie and as we know getting a hard time from the police.

Would that not drove most people mad ?

How does this make the rape untrue ?

Does she speak to her son, if not why not ?

Where is her husband now and why ?

Odd family to say the least and one woman on her own trying to fight back could drive someone to scicide but what about the funney death of her brother or the other girls that had been raped and the £13,500 payout if no crime had been commited plus lots more.

This also seems a bit of an odd post from you !

/me snickers - they will probably blame me (in their secret, hidden facebook group) for hacking ats to make sure they couldn't reply to the post. that's the type of thing i have been blamed for in the past

Care to tell us more about this secret group that you're not a member of and how they talk about you or do you think the same is happening here and we all PM eachother about you because i asure we are not.

My money is still on rape being commited and this case still needs to go court if only to prove to 2 million people who know about this case that the justice sytem in the UK is still working, well pretend at least.

Originally posted by Master_007
justyc

I was interested in hearing what you wanted to say but when asked for links to back up what you are saying all i got was a link to a image i could not read and rants when i pointed this out and i've see lots of slander but nothing to back it up and please tell me how you prove a link has been removed when it's gone and you can not provide a copy of the original.

.................>>>>>> link here removd

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I think Hollie Greig's been used by her family and continues to be used by people with agendas to beat their 'enemies' with. It's all pretty sickening and the conduct of those making the claims has made the strength of their case even weaker.

When we read the doctor's letter and study the case (as you've done), it's apparent how contrived and elaborate its become to keep it going. Any claim that needs a conspiracy between the BBC, NHS and Scottish Law courts to exist is more than likely flaky BS.

If the original report by the doctor is accurate, we have a young woman who was never abused sexually, but has since been exploited beyond all fairness by her close family and the ruthless characters who fill internet pages with libel and slander.

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oh this is very much the case Kandisky.

in fact, the reason that you don't see anne parading hollie around the country like a freakshow exhibit for all to gawk at anymore is because she was finally silenced by the high court in london last june, who told her that if she took one more step to publicly tell her story and drag hollie around with her then hollie would be taken away from her (they could of course have taken hollie at any time before now but have chosen up till now to let hollie remain with her mother, deeming it to be in hollie's best interest.. at least for now).

this, in anne's case now appears to have worked as she has made no public appearances since then (she did however make a claim after the court case that a policewoman banged on her car window at a petrol station and shouted abuse at her - she could of course have asked the petrol station in question for their camera footage to show this event and have the policewoman prosecuted for harassment but like most things to do with this case, people are just expected to take their word for it with no proof).

this has not stopped green from prancing around the country at every given opportunity and who continues to still give interviews with paul drockton, something his amended bail conditions prohibit him from doing - or so he claims. the claims of his conditions of bail and the amended conditions show that he is either doing everything he can to break the extraordinary conditions he has been set or he's lying about them. either way, we are not going to see both of them to check for ourselves are we?

the only good thing to come out of all this is that perhaps hollie can finally live a 'normal' life and enjoy the time she has with her mother, who she obviously loves dearly. sadly i don't know how long this will last as anne is passing messages on to the public as recently as last month via belinda who runs their present 'official' site...

SORRY I CAN’T TELL YOU ANYTHING BUT WATCH THIS SPACE, SAYS ANNE

Posted Sat, 06/18/2011 – 19:15 by Belinda

Much as she would like to update everyone on the latest position in her battle with the law, Anne is not at liberty to do so, having been blocked from speaking publicly by ALL the authorities involved, including the judiciary, both Councils (Shropshire and Aberdeen) and both police forces (West Mercia and Grampian) who are refusing to release incident log books.

Anne asks, what are all these public officials so afraid of, if they are doing their jobs properly and with probity?

she forgets to mention the high court ban. one has to ask then, why can they themselves not release all the previously available documents to be put on ats for review? to paraphrase anne - what are they so afraid of?

going by their version of events, this is the biggest conspiracy ever to hit the planet. it involves pretty much every sector of society, from police, judges, lawyers, bank managers, sherrifs, procurator fiscals, the bbc and it's journalists, doctors, nurses, relatives, friends, psychiatrists and hospitals, ordinary people that suddenly become spies/paid disinfo agents/shills/hackers/pedos/people covering up for the pedos etc etc etc

of course, it could also be the case that anne simply has problems with her mental health and so do those who still believe this story... folie a deux. although in this case 'deux' needs to be slightly increased in number.

i'm including here for anyone interested, the previously mentioned documentary which brought up the condition folie a deux -



some people may remember watching the footage of the sisters trying cross the motorway.