Breaking News.. Brownsville Levee Near Cooper Nuclear Plant in Nebraska Just Broke! Here We Go !!!!

Originally posted by Nosred
For those of you who just don't understand that nuclear power is the safest power source, here's some numbers.

Deaths per TWh by energy source -

Energy Source Death Rate (deaths per TWh)

Coal – world average 161 (26% of world energy, 50% of electricity)
Coal – China 278
Coal – USA 15
Oil 36 (36% of world energy)
Natural Gas 4 (21% of world energy)
Biofuel/Biomass 12
Peat 12
Solar (rooftop) 0.44 (less than 0.1% of world energy)
Wind 0.15 (less than 1% of world energy)
Hydro 0.10 (europe death rate, 2.2% of world energy)
Hydro - world including Banqiao) 1.4 (about 2500 TWh/yr and 171,000 Banqiao dead)
Nuclear 0.04 (5.9% of world energy)

nextbigfuture.com...

And I'll admit I was wrong, solar power is more dangerous than nuclear power.

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Edit: The graph is clearer in the link, so go ahead and look at it on that page.

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And that argument would make sense...

...if you included the amounts of people dying from cancer because of nuclear power, which is relatively unmeasurable.

Try to tell me that dumping toxic waste into waterways and exploding it into the atmosphere isn't giving anyone long-term diseases or destructing wildlife. I'll laugh at you and walk away from the ignorant ball of crap that is your head; accepting information that was fabricated to defend nuclear power as the only way to look at this. You can't combat a practice whose disadvantages are long-term effects to the population with information about immediate deaths from other sources of power that are mostly employees who choose to be in that caliber of danger for a standard paycheck.

Can you please go to Japan and tell everyone how safe nuclear power is and start pushing it? I mean, it's not that I would like to see you get killed, really, I just thought the stillbirthed children, earless rabbits and 6-eyed fish would love to 'hear' about it.

reply to post by Nosred

It's impossible to tell how many people die of lung cancer every year from pollutants put into the air by fossil fuels

I agree. I never said anything to the contrary.

Stop and think a minute about what you're arguing for here, think about the wars in the Middle East that could have been averted if we'd switched from fossil fuels to nuclear.

Not entirely true. The wars in the Middle East are not just about oil, it's also about power and control.

In the end, I think you're failing to realize that these power plants have a deadly potential, as we have seen in the recent past. Nuclear energy is not the answer to our power needs. There are free-energies out there for the taking if the greedy corporations would allow them to come to light!

You're trying to make a case for the lesser of two evils here. I'm not buying either one.

By the way, I called it a "nuke" plant because I was too lazy to type out the whole word. I would thank you if you would not call me a fearmonger and pretend to know my intent when using the word. Situations like these can cause a lot of deaths and damage if people are not fully informed. What you trying to say is "Move along....nothing to see here".

reply to post by Nosred


I think maybe you are forgetting the vast amounts of crops in the path of all that water.
Tunnel vision much?
It will devastate thousands of people who's homes can't be saved as well.
Don't you guys eat over there?

reply to post by AussieAmandaC


Good point. This area is within the highest food-producing regions in the world. With the areas already being hit with "normal" flooding, something like this could devestate the food supply for many years.

It would raise prices globally and hit the commodity markets hard. The implications are far reaching.

Everyone's arguments for or against nuclear power don't belong in this thread.
Please have some thought for people trying to get information on the levees and flooding.
Thank you

reply to post by koperniguz


When I created this thread, I was watching the Weather Channel. They interrupted what they were talking about when handed a breaking news topic, the levee at Brownville. What they said was that the Levee BROKE! That is why I used that terminology. My limited understanding of this stuff is that if it over FLOWS it is a BREACH. But if it is Damaged, it becomes broken. I just used the terms in the statement from them. Hope that helps. Stay Safe

wrong posting...

FYI Make sure if you have more than one window open for ATS that you reply to the right thread....or
quit multi-tasking.

The title almost glorifies this event...like its a good thing

Originally posted by Nosred
reply to post by koperniguz

 

It's didn't break it only breached. I guess the "OMG WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!1" thread title gets more attention.

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breach (brch) n.
1. a. An opening, a tear, or a rupture. b. A gap or rift, especially in or as if in a solid structure such as a dike or fortification.
2. A violation or infraction, as of a law, a legal obligation, or a promise.
3. A breaking up or disruption of friendly relations; an estrangement.
4. A leap of a whale from the water.
5. The breaking of waves or surf.

v. breached, breach·ing, breach·es v.tr.
1. To make a hole or gap in; break through.
2. To break or violate (an agreement, for example). v.intr.

break (brk) v. broke (brk), bro·ken (brkn), break·ing, breaks v.tr.

1. To cause to separate into pieces suddenly or violently; smash.
2. a. To divide into pieces, as by bending or cutting: break crackers for a baby. b. To separate into components or parts: broke the work into discrete tasks.
3. To snap off or detach: broke a twig from the tree.
4. a. To fracture a bone of: I broke my leg. b. To fracture (a bone): I broke my femur.
5. To crack without separating into pieces.
6. a. To destroy the completeness of (a group of related items): broke the set of books by giving some away. b. To exchange for smaller monetary units: break a dollar.
7. To vary or disrupt the uniformity or continuity of: a plain that was broken by low hills; caught the ball without breaking stride.
8. Electricity To render (a circuit) inoperative by disruption; open.
9. a. To force or make a way through; puncture or penetrate: The blade barely broke the skin. b. To part or pierce the surface of: a dolphin breaking water.

Doublespeak aside, your statement iscompletely in applicable. they are synonyms.

reply to post by Bachrk


What the hell does that have to do with this thread? Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Everyone's arguments for or against nuclear power don't belong in this thread.
Please have some thought for people trying to get information on the levees and flooding.
Thank you

No, thank YOU for saying that. This is getting ridiculous.

People who want to wave a white flag for how wonderful nuclear power is should start a new topic for your celebratory comments. Calling concerned posters 'fear-mongers' is not only rude and condescending, it also interferes with the search for the truth of what is transpiring RIGHT NOW. If you have current data/pics relating to the current flood zone, by all means post it. We all want to be updated. We do NOT care about your philosophical leanings towards the nuclear industry at large, nor do we need your interpretation of historical events in the nuclear industry. That is for another topic. This topic is for updates on the current flood situation near the two plants. Please.

Everyone Else: PLEASE simply ignore people who do NOT stay on topic and contribute real substance/questions regarding the situation of flooding on the Missouri near the nuclear plants. (It is impossible to have an argument without an adversary.)

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
reply to post by Bachrk

 

What the hell does that have to do with this thread? Jesus Christ.

Thats what happens when you have two windows open for the ATS website and reply to the wrong one. Calm down, no reason to get all testy.

I live in this area and I wouldn't worry about it. At least provided we don't get the storm of the century in the next month...

Here's some additional info about what is happening now. I found this article that states:

Several levees in northern Missouri were failing Sunday to hold back the surge of water being released from upstream dams

So, as dams, such as Fort Peck, are increasing their output to control the water to the North, it is eroding farther down the river.

In Atchison County, there was a nearly steady flow of water over a half-mile stretch of a levee near U.S. 136 and overtopping at various points to the north of that area, said Mark Manchester, deputy director of emergency management for the county. He said the river level in the county had reached 44.6 feet, the highest on record and about 4 to 5 inches higher than 1993 flooding levels. The water was flooding several thousand acres of farmland, but so far no homes had been inundated since a breach this past Monday caused about a dozen homes to take on water, Manchester said. Because of the high waters, U.S. 136 was closing near the Missouri-Nebraska border. He said residents in the area had already evacuated their homes, and officials who operate the levee went up in a helicopter and saw several "pretty good size holes starting to form."

Source

"Steady flow of water . . . " pretty much paints the picture of the destruction that is happening right now.

Be Well.

reply to post by morder1


What do you suggest we use for alternative power sources? A nuclear plant produces so much power that replacing them with other sources is really not possible at this time. Windmills barely produce much power at all, to replace one nuclear plant with wind power would require over 300 square miles of windmills, and that's just to create enough power to replace ONE plant. That simply isn't feasible.

update on Fort Calhoun Nuclear power plant

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by DiamondEyes


I did not use this title to 'Glorify" anything. It was meant that this was the beginning of a major " Domino Effect" series of catastrophic events that would engulf not only the Cooper Nuclear Plant potentially, but disasters from North Dakota to the Gulf of the Mississippi. There are numerous nuclear plants along this waterway and many are in trouble. There are many cities in trouble and farms destroyed. There are toxic waste and Superfund sites along this water way that can be added in the mix too. The earthen levees are subject to liquification just like the sides of rivers I would think too. So as more water pushes on them they start to fall apart. Just my guess on this, but at any rate, this is terrible no matter how you look at it.

I'm really sorry that the title came off that way to you. This whole thing makes me sick to see just as it does you. This is very serious and I pray for the safety of everyone affected by the disasters. Our rivers are rising where I live too. We could be next! Stay Safe

Thought this was relevant too

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=11666129#pid11666129

be safe

Originally posted by camaro68ss
update on Fort Calhoun Nuclear power plant

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Awesome link you found for info on this situation: Link from your thread

I found this, but yours seems more helpful. Well, here it is anyway:
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If I gain mutant abilities from the radiation, I want an extra arm to grow right above my a$$ so it's easier to scratch discreetly when it itches in public.