Two United States nuclear power plants are on alert!

Originally posted by Nosred
Nuclear power is much safer and disasters are incredibly unlikely to happen, not to mention that an accident at a nuclear power plant is not as bad as an accident at a coal plant or a dam breaking.

How... can you even believe this.

How many square km of the Earth are now off limits as a direct result of nuclear power accidents? Lots

How many are off limits due to coal accidents? Uhh... none.

1 million people died due to Chernobyl. Maybe another million will die from Fukushima. And if the incredibly dangerous Monju reactor goes, it would be much, much worse. It could literally destroy Japan.

While coal is dirty and oil can be dirty, especially when criminal corporations have total disregard for safety, the fallout from nukes will poison the planet for hundreds or thousands of years. It is an absolutely insane technology to pursue and anyone who supports it is also insane.

Originally posted by Observer99
How... can you even believe this.

How many square km of the Earth are now off limits as a direct result of nuclear power accidents? Lots

How many are off limits due to coal accidents? Uhh... none.

Uh... several mines. And with oil you have the whole Gulf of Mexico thing, along with several other previous spills.

1 million people died due to Chernobyl. Maybe another million will die from Fukushima. And if the incredibly dangerous Monju reactor goes, it would be much, much worse. It could literally destroy Japan.

Where did you get these numbers? Source? Around 50 people died as a direct result of the radiation from Chernobyl, and it's estimated that 9000 others have died or will die from cancer as a result, although that number is disputable and unprovable.

While coal is dirty and oil can be dirty, especially when criminal corporations have total disregard for safety, the fallout from nukes will poison the planet for hundreds or thousands of years. It is an absolutely insane technology to pursue and anyone who supports it is also insane.

Yes, that's exactly why it's a good idea to not nuke the world. Nuclear power plants are not the same things as nuclear warheads.

I have read this back and forth regarding what is "safe".

Here's the problem: "Safe" is an opinion not a fact. Just because you went to school for a few years and passed a few tests doesn't give you the right to decide the risks someone should take. Science should issue unbiased tests and present conclusions.

Machines always fail and it's not possible to predict EVERYTHING that can go wrong.

Originally posted by AuntB
I apologize to all for getting way off subject. So, do we really know what is happening at these two plants? Is anyone on this site that lives near there? I read a post earlier and someone mentioned blackhawk choppers, national guard. I want to know the true danger regarding these plants.

Hi there, i'm sorry to tell you but you are the only one not off subject. We all derailed the thread to whether nuclear is safe or not instead of sticking on the main subject : "Two United States nuclear power plants are on alert!"

Unfortunatly i can't tell you more details because i don't live in that area. I hope someone will respond to that question.

Peace out.

Originally posted by Nosred
reply to post by bigwig22

 

Yes I said IF, just like airplanes aren't safe IF you build them without wings. So you're surprised that not following safety guidelines causes safety problems?

Haha, i like that comparison. But in fact, planes would be much safer without wings as they will not be able to leave the ground

But yeah, i agree with you. When safety guidelines arent followed, it may leads to disaster. And that's what's bothering me with nuclear power. I don't have full trust into the ppl that runs those plants. But that's just me. (I don't trust big oil companies either by the way but IMO, the collateral are less damaging in the long run) )

Originally posted by AuntB
reply to post by jameshawkings

 

You know, that is something to think about. I wonder if because of Fukushima people are focusing more upon the power plants or have these issues been happening and we are oblivious to them. Now this virus, is this the one that took out the Iranian plant?

The agenda is to set off a number of these power plants in carefully selected areas using a combination of techniques. The virus is to ensure they cannot recover from emergencies such as a Tsunami, a plane crashing into one etc

It's a major part of Depopulation and Agenda 21. This has been planned many years ahead, even since the initial choice of locations for the power stations. Those guys plan a long long way ahead

reply to post by David9176


More people die in a car every year percentage wise than in a plane, yet people are scared of flying. It's all about ignorance. The average poor/middle class wouldn't under stand due to lack of education. If they got an education and better job, we wouldn't have to support them with money, or try to help them subdue their fear of the unknown.

Originally posted by bigwig22
Haha, i like that comparison. But in fact, planes would be much safer without wings as they will not be able to leave the ground

They still have wheels though, so it's just like a big car that has trouble turning.

reply to post by NEWclearMind


Yep, nuclear power suffers from the same problem as airplanes. Statistically it's pretty damn safe but when it goes wrong it looks really scary.

Current generation reactors are pretty different to older ones like in the Fukushima plant, including the way they generate heat. It's actually incredibly hard to get one of them to meltdown.

i would not be surprised that the building that housed these spent rods or whatever was flooded and now all the water going down stream from there is now radioactive. I guess everyone down stream will start to glow. If i were you people i would go out in the night and see if anything glows in the river and report it imediately. good luck people, i would not believe any statements coming from these peoples. Just like fukeshima, lies and more lies to make a buck.

if you start seeing 3 headed frogs or 3 headed alligators or any other crazy stuff, just report it on youtube and get back to a.t.s. Just remember the plant that got flooded. 2012 will be the year of CRAZY.

reply to post by cloaked4u


Radiation does not make three headed frogs, stop being ignorant.

reply to post by Nosred


Look friend, I appreciate what you are trying to say, really I do.

Your point about nuclear being the safe alternative for energy, however, is a semantic one, at best.

Nuclear is the safer of the ways we currently get energy simply because its the newest.

The other kind of Nuclear energy, and forgive me, I can't remember if its Fission or fusion, but the one that uses Thorium instead of uranium, is even more safe, being that there isn't any radioactive waste afterwards.

But that doesn't alter the fact that this particular method of generating energy isn't suited to the task we have given it.

And the potentials for disaster, whether we have experienced them or not, is too great for the benefit we receive.

Originally posted by Nosred
reply to post by cloaked4u

 

Radiation does not make three headed frogs, stop being ignorant.

Your ignorance tops all others in the thread.

You need to move inside the Fukushima or Chernobyl exclusion zones, and start eating radioactive boar meat. Only then will you truly know how safe nuclear plants really are. Just think of all that perfectly safe land that's been abandoned by us "idiots"!

reply to post by Nosred


Thanks for the info, but I've been operating them for the past 13 years. From fast attack to PWR's.
Peace.

reply to post by NEWclearMind


So you actually work at a nuclear power plant? Will you tell these people that they're safe?

Without taking sides in this debate I can't understand the veracity you use to attack people. You deem some members as "ignorant" who have their own opinions. You do know what site your on? Why do you feel it's needed to continue this debate. It seems you may have forgotten how to let something go. If you know your right why keep the turse replies? If theses people are what you say do you honestly think you will change their minds. You can post as many links as you want and it won't help. Why so much energy wasted on a "ignorant" few on a small forum. What can they do? Who are they hurting? No matter who is right there is no winning with these types of attitudes towards other humans. We have all come here for one reason or another but we are all in this obscure site for information. Humans will believe what they want even if they are wrong no matter how many internet links you post. Again, there is no reason for arrogance or belittlement from either side.

Originally posted by Munfett
Without taking sides in this debate I can't understand the veracity you use to attack people. You deem some members as "ignorant" who have their own opinions.

Saying that radiation creates three headed frogs is ignorant and is not an opinion.

reply to post by Nosred


I've tried, I told them that if any issue ever arose, I would be the first to blow the whistle. I have friends at over 30 of the United States 102 nuclear plants and monitor the NRC'S website daily. The is one of the most safest industries period. You get 200 times more radiation smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for a year than the yearly dose from working at a nuclear plant. Pilots get many times more than that. They keep fear mongering. They love stars and flags. Although, I admit, these guys are in a rough situation, it's nothing more right now than a really bad couple weeks of work.. They will keep the health and safety of the public their number one concern.

Originally posted by NEWclearMind
reply to post by Nosred

 

I've tried, I told them that if any issue ever arose, I would be the first to blow the whistle. I have friends at over 30 of the United States 102 nuclear plants and monitor the NRC'S website daily. The is one of the most safest industries period. You get 200 times more radiation smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for a year than the yearly dose from working at a nuclear plant. Pilots get many times more than that. They keep fear mongering. They love stars and flags. Although, I admit, these guys are in a rough situation, it's nothing more right now than a really bad couple weeks of work.. They will keep the health and safety of the public their number one concern.

You can be more active in this thread before people getting crazy with stars and flags
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