Have Less Kids! Gore Pushes Population Control

reply to post by Annee


The only thing it will cause will be civil war. The world is not ready for a union of any sort. It will cut into pieces.

And you know what? Yes, we could just get a ship and start over. A space ship. And you'd be silly to believe that within one generation that wouldn't happen.

That's another thing video games and stories are exploring now. When you give people space, government becomes obsolete. The second they disagree, they just run away. You should learn about the various speculations of what happens under such conditions. From Star Trek's Maquis, do Mass Effect's Terminus Colonies.

Simple fact is, when you grasp for total power, you lose all the water in your hands.

And then, quite simply, you will have lost everything. You will unleash the plague of primitive humanity to the universe, and they will spread, breed, suffer, and do the same here elsewhere. All because you moved too fast.

Originally posted by Gorman91
And you know what? Yes, we could just get a ship and start over. A space ship. And you'd be silly to believe that within one generation that wouldn't happen.

We are generations away from even the beginnings of colonizing other worlds or even living in a space ship.

Reality is Right Now! If strong measures are not enacted now - - - tomorrow will not come.

Save as many as you can. OR - - with restrictions save many more.

Originally posted by Gorman91
Simple fact is, when you grasp for total power, you lose all the water in your hands.

Total Power - - is your words.

I stated a: One World Federation. That would be a group council. Of course it could be corrupt - - but it is Not a single power King of the World.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Gorman91
Simple fact is, when you grasp for total power, you lose all the water in your hands.

Total Power - - is your words.

I stated a: One World Federation. That would be a group council. Of course it could be corrupt - - but it is Not a single power King of the World.

edit on 6-7-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)

If I am being kind I will call your suggestion naive- as in reality it would, in all probabilty result in untold chaos and war

Originally posted by Gorman91

And you know what? Yes, we could just get a ship and start over. A space ship. And you'd be silly to believe that within one generation that wouldn't happen.

Sorry, 1 generation? Not gonna happens. We are still using combustion energy

reply to post by Annee


No, we're actually not. We're about 1-3 generations away from it. I can tell you even how to make it go at FTL Speeds. You pop in a cross-beamed photon beam and keep it going until it affects gravity, then to spin it to generate an ergosphere. A gravity well behind an ergosphere with a spacecraft between the two = warp drive. Technology less than a century away.

If strong measures are enacted, I would rather we all die and tomorrow not come. Live free or die hard.

I would rather save those who are free for life than take it away to save more. Human life is not tradeable with security.

A council is a kingship without a king. Most kings are just figureheads, with the council having true power. Is our president any different?


You are jumping the boat on the issues. Here are the facts. Within this century, the population of the world will reach over 9 billion, spacecraft that can get to Mars in weeks will be invented, and probably FTL craft will be available by the end of the century. This makes your world, ultimately, nullified. Because by the time you can effectively change the culture, which takes roughly 3 generations, the people who reject it, roughly half the population, will already begin mass exoduses and leave this world to start over out there. And with it, they bring their primitive culture, their violent religions and beliefs, their extreme isms, their lack of care for the environment, and the virus that is man.

So you can either suck it up, let the free die and the survivors fix this world, and unify under a culture of freedom and independence, or you can force your power on them, causing them to split up into factions, flee for their lives and freedom, fight for their lives and freedom, and in the end, have a human race broken up, disunited, and in eternal conflict on Earth and throughout the stars.

Eternal suffering for the sake of temporary security, or temporary suffering for the sake of eternal freedom. That is the choice. I choose freedom.

reply to post by blackcube


Space craft today are being built that can get to mars in weeks, and Gravity manipulation through photons is already a provable science. It's not that we don't know how to do it, it's that we just don't have the money to do it yet.

Originally posted by Gorman91
If strong measures are enacted, I would rather we all die and tomorrow not come. Live free or die hard.

We'll just have to disagree on when human's will be able to colonize others worlds with enough success to save man kind.

I am the realist. Those who keep trying to save America and put things back the way they were - - are not.

A One World Government will happen. Fighting it is kind of futile.

My suggestion is to look forward and figure out the best way for a one world government to function for the needs of the people.

Not IF - - - but How and Who.

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Oh I will. When the world union does come, I will happily join it. And I will make friends, and we will form a block, and we will fight. because that's what happens in international unions. They just form blocks and fight each other. Can you show me one that hasn't caused this? Cause even the UN has blocks that are currently engaging each other.

You don't seem to realize. Unity of government does not mean unity of policy, nor does it mean unity of people. In fact, unity of government just allows disunity of people to be more public, and in turn, an excellent recruitment tool for those blocks.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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Space craft today are being built that can get to mars in weeks, and Gravity manipulation through photons is already a provable science. It's not that we don't know how to do it, it's that we just don't have the money to do it yet.

On a personal note: I personally believe we are in contact with off planet beings and have been working with them for many years.

I personally believe we already have humans living in colonies on other planets.

However - - as a whole - - in our current state of unrest and warring mentality - - - I don't believe or expect the prospect of leaving this planet is available to us in mass or with public knowledge.

For our world/people - - civil order must be achieved first before being allowed as part of a larger scope of existence.

reply to post by Annee


Civil order without civil agreement leads to civil unrest.

Originally posted by Gorman91
You don't seem to realize. Unity of government does not mean unity of policy, nor does it mean unity of people. In fact, unity of government just allows disunity of people to be more public, and in turn, an excellent recruitment tool for those blocks.

I am fully aware of that.

As I said: How and Who - - not IF.

There is a long road ahead.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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Civil order without civil agreement leads to civil unrest.

Then there will just have to be civil agreement.

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This doesn't happen with policy like your own. You don't understand. You cannot force your views on a group of people who disagree with them. Governments are derived by men for the protection of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and lose legitimacy with a government fails or rejects their continuation. What you are saying, does not bode well with most of the world. It was tried. It failed. Back when the eugenics thought they could just sterilize the poor. It failed with a passion.

This will be no different. And you inability to live with others that disagree will only speed up war. Which in turn will increase demand for technology that is involved with destruction, space, and speed. Ergo, people will leave this world.

Space travel is the death knoll of government.

Originally posted by Gorman91
Space craft today are being built that can get to mars in weeks,

So what? Sending few people there and colonization is complete different.

and Gravity manipulation through photons is already a provable science.

When we have a viable working machine we can talk about it... For now its just dream.

reply to post by blackcube


Well yes, that's the point. A dream with legitimate science behind it. For example, an ergosphere working with a gravity well does create an alcubierre drive. I may have been a bit off a few posts ago. It's been a while since I did research on that stuff with people here and in real life.

I dont see what's wrong with having less kids. People are popping out kids they can't afford to raise! If u can't feed your family maybe you should have stopped at one kid maybe two! Al Gore can have 4 kids because he can provide for them, common sense.

People need to be more responsible period!

reply to post by mblahnikluver


Yes, but you cannot force that on them. Only recommend, offer tax incentives, etc etc.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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Yes, but you cannot force that on them. Only recommend, offer tax incentives, etc etc.

Lots of laws are forced.

Of course you can force it on them.

reply to post by Annee


Lots of laws that don't affect everyone. And people like myself, who live essentially in locations that run their own laws an ignore federal ones, are not affected. You try to force a single child policy on everyone, I guarantee you revolution.

There's three things you never make laws on. Just three things that prevent revolution: The right of the family, the right of the mind, and the right of land. Try to control any of these three, and the government collapses. You can find, that this government, even if they make such laws, never target everyone. They target a select group of a few thousand to million people. You cannot successfully make any laws against those three things without your government being replaced or destroyed within a generation or two.