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Originally posted by laiguana
Sure...unless people around the nation are prepared to double their electric bills.
See...nuclear energy is still the best trade off when it comes to reliable, clean energy. Energy that gives us a break from our dependency on foreign oil. And given the huge energy demands we have in this country it's the best option available...
Originally posted by RoyalBlue
Then why did Japan, who is reportedly heavily dependent on Nuclear power, threaten their citizens that their electricity would go up an equivalent of 10 US dollars a month if they got rid of nuclear power??? 10 US dollars, that's it ??? I don 't believe Nuclear Power fills a big enough void to make a noticeable difference, especially due to the costs associated with it, (and that's BEFORE the catastrophic costs due to accidents and negligence)...
Originally posted by Nosred
America should have converted to nuclear power years ago. It's safer than any other power source, it's cheap, it's reliable, it's clean. You have pretty much 0% chance of dying from radiation exposure from nuclear energy.
www.nsc.org...
No one died as a result of the Three Mile Island disaster, and experts have published a 148 page report detailing everything that caused the Chernobyl disaster and how it could have easily been fixed.
www-pub.iaea.org...
Coal kills more miners every year than the initial blast at Chernobyl killed, not to mention the pollution caused by fossil fuels which kills countless more people annually.
www.pittsburghlive.com...
A study found that in Europe alone wind energy has killed more people than nuclear energy.
manhaz.cyf.gov.pl...
And the leading cause of accidents with wind power is "blade failure" which is when a turbine blade shatters sending shrapnel flying through the air.
www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk...
Then with hydroelectric power of course you get floods and dam breakage, so remind me again why we're afraid of nuclear power? Did we just randomly decide that this power source is somehow worse than all the others? Or maybe you're all sheep blindly following the media when they tell you that nuclear power is "bad" and that we should return to the dark ages, over-hyping any minor nuclear related incident while covering up and ignoring deaths caused by other power sources.
Originally posted by ToFarGone
reply to post by TDawgRex
Yeah, lol, and there's that. How does that make sense? How can they even pretend that makes sense?
Something like the annual amount of incurred radiation goes from 1 millisieverts per year, to a min/max of 20-100 millisieverts per year. WTF?
It's like something out of 1984 dude. One day this is the truth, and tomorrow the truth is different.
Is everyone still this asleep? Japan, what are you going through?!
It's like something out of 1984 dude. One day this is the truth, and tomorrow the truth is different.
Is everyone still this asleep?
19 May 2011
At this time, [color=limegreen]there is no public health threat in the U.S. [color=limegreen]related to radiation exposure. FDA, together with other agencies, is carefully monitoring any possibility for distribution of radiation to the United States.
At this time, theoretical models do not indicate that significant amounts of radiation will reach the U.S. coast or affect U.S. fishing waters.
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... who can say that and keep a straight face?
23 April 2011
Japan Nuclear Iodine Radiation In San Francisco Milk Over 2600% Above EPA Drinking Water Limit
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10 May 2011
Hawaii Farmers Treating Milk With Boron After Finding Radiation 2400 Times Above Safe Levels
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EPA officials, however, [color=limegreen]refused to answer questions or make staff members available to explain the exact location and number of monitors, or the levels of radiation, if any, being recorded at existing monitors in California.
Margot Perez-Sullivan, a spokeswoman at the EPA’s regional headquarters in San Francisco, said [color=limegreen]the agency’s written statement would stand on its own.
In the unlikely scenario that pollutants could affect fish that have traveled to the U.S., FDA will work with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to test seafood caught in those areas. Together, FDA and NOAA will also inspect facilities that process and sell seafood from those areas.
The FDA has claimed that there is no need to test Pacific fish for Japan nuclear radiation reports the Anchorage Daily News but when drilled on details by the reporter, the FDA [color=limegreen]refused to answer questions and gave the reporter the run-around.
The FDA says there will be no testing of fish until NOAA testing finds cause for alarm but NOAA [color=limegreen]refuses to answer questions on what kind of monitoring has been done.
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25 April 2011
New EPA Radiation Tests Show Cesium in California Rainwater at Highest Level Since Crisis Began
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3 May 2011
Hot Radioactive Particles in Seattle at 50% of Levels Seen in Tokyo
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3 April 2011
140,000 Times More Iodine-131 Released at Fukushima Than Three Mile Island… Using March 22 Estimates
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3 May 2011
Radiation In US Food Will Be Nationwide Problem, Not Just Regional, From Fukushima Nuclear Radioactive Fallout
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3 June 2011
5.77 microsieverts per hour of radiation measured near Tokyo at ground level — Government “is desperately trying to keep it quiet...”
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In a written statement, he compared the ongoing nuclear crisis at Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi plant to the kind of meltdown he said could happen in the U.S. if a pipe that is supposed to carry water to cool a reactor's core fails. "There would be no warning because no one ever checks the integrity of these underground pipes," Markey said. Read more: www.seattlepi.com...
Originally posted by RoyalBlue
REALLY???...Your defense of Nuclear Energy leaves me.......speechless!!! Did you forget what energy resources Nuclear Energy relies on for mining, transportation, for its own power to build and run, and maintain??? Let's not talk about what mining for nuclear materials does to the environment, loss of life from mining accidents, etc.
And talk about loss of life, have you been to a cancer hospital recently? I would rather die from shrapnel from an exploding turbine blade, than to die slowly and painfully from radioactive poisoning over a long time, any day.
And don't get me started on the lies of how much electricity is REALLY replaced by Nuclear Energy, lies sold to us by Nuclear lobbyists...................
Nuclear waste that lasts a few centuries instead of millennia [3]
100-300 times more energy yield from the same amount of nuclear fuel [4]
The ability to consume existing nuclear waste in the production of electricity
Improved operating safety
And talk about loss of life, have you been to a cancer hospital recently?
Originally posted by SirMike
Originally posted by RoyalBlue
Then why did Japan, who is reportedly heavily dependent on Nuclear power, threaten their citizens that their electricity would go up an equivalent of 10 US dollars a month if they got rid of nuclear power??? 10 US dollars, that's it ??? I don 't believe Nuclear Power fills a big enough void to make a noticeable difference, especially due to the costs associated with it, (and that's BEFORE the catastrophic costs due to accidents and negligence)...
So sayeth the anonymous Frenchman on Youtube ..... I think you will need a better source for that.
Originally posted by RoyalBlue
10 US dollars, that's it ???
Originally posted by RoyalBlue
reply to post by Nosred
..............Wow, nuclear industry trolls are out today..................
Originally posted by Nosred
"It's safer than any other power source, it's cheap, it's reliable, it's clean. You have pretty much 0% chance of dying from radiation exposure from nuclear energy."
"So remind me again why we're afraid of nuclear power? Did we just randomly decide that this power source is somehow worse than all the others?" "Over-hyping any minor nuclear related incident...
All engineered structures (e.g. power plants, bridges, skyscrapers, dams, highways) will fail if
subjected to loads far enough beyond what they were designed for. The catastrophic failure of
an irrigation water dam in the Fukushima prefecture, which occurred when the earthquake hit,
went virtually un-reported in the media. What does this failure say about the safety of hydro
power? Are the design basis selections of energy industry structures posing high environmental
hazard, such as oil drilling platforms offshore, coal mines and water dams, consistent with those
of nuclear plants? If not, are we as a society irrationally accepting higher risks from certain
technologies than others?
Originally posted by Nosred
reply to post by wildoracle13
Do you know how many dams break and mines explode and wind turbine blades shatter every year? Not to mention that the nuclear plant in Japan was hit by a freaking Tsunami. That's like saying skyscrapers aren't safe after 9/11.
Edit:
If anything, the situation shows how safe nuclear power is. Consider that forty year old plants were hit with an earthquake five times the strength they were designed for and yet they still shut down safely. The generators came on like they were supposed to when grid power was cut. Then the tsunami hit and the generators were wiped out. However, the battery backup still worked for the designed eight hours. The problem happened when no new generators could be put in. Even so the problems have been minimal--media scare mongering for ratings not withstanding.edit on 22-6-2011 by Nosred because: (no reason given)
Edit: Also comparing a nuclear power plant built in the 60's to modern nuclear power plants is like comparing WWI biplanes to an F/A-18 Jet. Technology has advanced since the 60's.edit on 22-6-2011 by Nosred because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by wildoracle13
Looks like about 1 or 2 dams break every year around the world and some are predicted and left to fail. 77 US deaths from mine explosions since 1989. 67 deaths globally in all of history from wind turbine failure. Why is it that I can't find a reliable source that definitively states total deaths from nuclear radiation?
Maybe it's me but... I don't know. I am not cool with the idea that a nuclear power plant half the world away can fail and shorten my life span. No wind turbine blade can do that, no coal explosion can do that nor a dam breaking.
Also, none of those things are impossible to clean up. We don't have to wait and see what the impact is going to be, if it can even be measured.
And, technology may have advanced since the 60's but apparently those in the nuclear business haven't figured out that it's not a good idea to put these on fault lines or where they can be washed away by a freakin tsunami. Oh well. Let's hope they learn?
Originally posted by Nosred
No American has ever been killed or injured in the entire 50 year history of nuclear power in the US.
3 January 1961
The world's first nuclear-related fatalities occurred following a reactor explosion at the National Reactor Testing Station in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Three technicians were killed, with radioactivity "largely confined" (words of John A. McCone, Director of the Atomic Energy Commission) to the reactor building. The men were killed as they moved fuel rods in a "routine" preparation for the reactor start-up. One technician was blown to the ceiling of the containment dome and impaled on a control rod. His body remained there until it was taken down six days later. [color=limegreen]The men were so heavily exposed to radiation that their hands had to be buried separately with other radioactive waste, and their bodies were interred in lead coffins. Another incident three weeks later (on 25 January) resulted in a release of radiation into the atmosphere.
24 July 1964
Robert Peabody, 37, died at the United Nuclear Corp. fuel facility in Charlestown, Rhode Island, when liquid uranium he was pouring went critical, starting a reaction that exposed him to a lethal dose of radiation.
19 November 1971
The water storage space at the Northern States Power Company's reactor in Monticello, Minnesota filled to capacity and spilled over, dumping about 50,000 gallons of radioactive waste water into the Mississippi River. [color=limegreen]Some was taken into the St. Paul water system.
March 1972
Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska submitted to the Congressional Record facts surrounding a routine check in a nuclear power plant which indicated abnormal radioactivity in the building's water system. Radioactivity was confirmed in the plant drinking fountain. Apparently there was an inappropriate cross-connection between a 3,000 gallon radioactive tank and the water system.
27 July 1972
Two workers at the Surry Unit 2 facility in Virginia were fatally scalded after a routine valve adjustment led to a steam release in a gap in a vent line. [See also 9 December 1986]
28 May 1974
The Atomic Energy Commission reported that 861 "abnormal events" had occurred in 1973 in the nation's 42 operative nuclear power plants. Twelve involved the release of radioactivity "above permissible levels."
22 March 1975
A technician checking for air leaks with a lighted candle caused $100 million in damage when insulation caught fire at the Browns Ferry reactor in Decatur, Alabama. The fire burned out electrical controls, lowering the cooling water to dangerous levels, before the plant could be shut down.
28 March 1979
A major accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania. At 4:00 a.m. a series of human and mechanical failures nearly triggered a nuclear disaster. By 8:00 a.m., after cooling water was lost and temperatures soared above 5,000 degrees, the top portion of the reactor's 150-ton core melted. Contaminated coolant water escaped into a nearby building, releasing radioactive gasses, leading as many as 200,000 people to flee the region. Despite claims by the nuclear industry that "no one died at Three Mile Island," a study by Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, professor of radiation physics at the University of Pittsburgh, showed that the accident led to a minimum of 430 infant deaths.
1981
The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that there were 4,060 mishaps and 140 serious events at nuclear power plants in 1981, up from 3,804 mishaps and 104 serious events the previous year.
11 February 1981
An Auxiliary Unit Operator, working his first day on the new job without proper training, inadvertently opened a valve which led to the contamination of eight men by 110,000 gallons of radioactive coolant sprayed into the containment building of the Tennessee Valley Authority's Sequoyah I plant in Tennessee.
July 1981
A flood of low-level radioactive wastewater in the sub-basement at Nine Mile Point's Unit 1 (in New York state) caused approximately 150 55-gallon drums of high-level waste to overturn, some of which released their highly radioactive contents. Some 50,000 gallons of low-level radioactive water were subsequently dumped into Lake Ontario to make room for the cleanup. The discharge was reported to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, but the sub-basement contamination was not. A report leaked to the press 8 years later resulted in a study which found that high levels of radiation persisted in the still flooded facility.
1982
The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that 84,322 power plant workers were exposed to radiation in 1982, up from 82,183 the previous year.
25 January 1982
A steam generator pipe broke at the Rochester Gas & Electric Company's Ginna plant near Rochester, New York. Fifteen thousand gallons of radioactive coolant spilled onto the plant floor, and small amounts of radioactive steam escaped into the air.
15-16 January 1983
Nearly 208,000 gallons of water with low-level radioactive contamination was accidentally dumped into the Tennesee River at the Browns Ferry power plant.
25 February 1983
A catastrophe at the Salem 1 reactor in New Jersey was averted by just 90 seconds when the plant was shut down manually, following the failure of automatic shutdown systems to act properly. The same automatic systems had failed to respond in an incident three days before, and other problems plagued this plant as well, such as a 3,000 gallon leak of radioactive water in June 1981 at the Salem 2 reactor, a 23,000 gallon leak of "mildly" radioactive water (which splashed onto 16 workers) in February 1982, and radioactive gas leaks in March 1981 and September 1982 from Salem 1.
9 December 1986
A feedwater pipe ruptured at the Surry Unit 2 facility in Virginia, causing 8 workers to be scalded by a release of hot water and steam. Four of the workers later died from their injuries. In addition, water from the sprinkler systems caused a malfunction of the security system, preventing personnel from entering the facility. This was the second time that an incident at the Surry 2 unit resulted in fatal injuries due to scalding [see also 27 July 1972].
1988
It was reported that there were 2,810 accidents in U.S. commercial nuclear power plants in 1987, down slightly from the 2,836 accidents reported in 1986, according to a report issued by the Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc.
28 May 1993
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission released a warning to the operators of 34 nuclear reactors around the country that the instruments used to measure levels of water in the reactor could give false readings during routine shutdowns and fail to detect important leaks. The problem was first bought to light by an engineer at Northeast Utilities in Connecticut who had been harassed for raising safety questions. The flawed instruments at boiling-water reactors designed by General Electric utilize pipes which were prone to being blocked by gas bubbles; a failure to detect falling water levels could have resulted, potentially leading to a meltdown.
15 February 2000
New York's Indian Point II power plant vented a small amount of radioactive steam when a an aging steam generator ruptured. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission initially reported that no radioactive material was released, but later changed their report to say that there was a leak, but not of a sufficient amount to threaten public safety.
6 March 2002
Workers discovered a foot-long cavity eaten into the reactor vessel head at the Davis-Besse nuclear plant in Ohio. Borated water had corroded the metal to a 3/16 inch stainless steel liner which held back over 80,000 gallons of highly pressurized radioactive water. In April 2005 the Nuclear Regulatory Commission proposed fining plant owner First Energy 5.4 million dollars for their failure to uncover the problem sooner (similar problems plaguing other plants were already known within the industry), and also proposed banning System Engineer Andrew Siemaszko from working in the industry for five years due to his falsifying reactor vessel logs. As of this writing the fine and suspension were under appeal.
Nov 2005
High tritium levels, the result of leaking pipes, were discovered to have contaminated groundwater immediately adjacent to the Braidwood Generating Station in Braceville, Illinois.
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