'Intolerant' Christians are more militant than Muslims, says equality chief

reply to post by edog11


yes , because it was 9/11 that started the whole thing.........


before you start calling people names and acting a fool and pretending to know what you are talking about......

how bout you learn your history...........this whole thing with muslim religion is NOT a new thing......and neither are the tactics of the extremist there in.........

you are dismissed

OP is clearly an idiot.

I live in Canada and i can tell you beyond all doubt that many Muslims are not integrating whatsoever, they shop at there markets they work within there own communities and listen to there news and television through internet and satellite many don't even need to learn English.

Book on immigration to canada

These things are really hard to tell. If a Muslim individual commits a violent crime it seems to be automatically considered as religious based terrorism and often receives a large amount of media coverage. On the other hand if a Christian commits a violent crime it's normally considered the act of a lone criminal or lunatic and usually not associated with their religion.

If we applied the same standards to Christian that we put on Muslims for terrorism labeling, we would see rampant Christian terrorism. After all the prisons are full of Christians who committed murder or other violent acts.

No I am not defending either group. People who commit violent acts against others deserve a place in hell.

reply to post by edog11


Oh please, muslims were doing the same stuff they're doing now years before the iraq and afghan wars even started.

The government just lets them get away with it these days, for fear of being called "racist".

reply to post by Kaploink


Far more of their crimes are motivated by religious fundamentalism, compared to christian crimes.

Originally posted by Codered88
OP is clearly an idiot.

I live in Canada and i can tell you beyond all doubt that many Muslims are not integrating whatsoever, they shop at there markets they work within there own communities and listen to there news and television through internet and satellite many don't even need to learn English.

Book on immigration to canada

Focusing on Muslims in better off countries is missing the meat of the matter. 20% of muslims live in muslim-dominated countries. Now if you rundown this list you start to see why muslims are associated with bad things like intolerance or militarism or terrorism. If we can figure out why these countries end up so bad maybe we can figure out how muslims go bad. So instead of trashing our own or taking away from the good we can start to find real answers. Fake answers, in my experience, are usually the kind that blame the wrong people and share the punishment. They share hte punishment because they fail as a science and cannot discriminate accurately.

For some fun you can start here:
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by edog11


Who started it?

en.wikipedia.org...(1999)

The Invasion of Dagestan,[3] also known as the War in Dagestan[4] and Dagestan War,[5] began, when the Chechnya-based Islamic International Brigade (IIB), Islamist militia led by warlords Shamil Basayev and Ibn al-Khattab invaded the neighbouring Russian republic of Dagestan, on August 7, 1999, in support of the Shura of Dagestan separatist rebels. The war ended with a major Russian victory and the retreat of the IIB.

This was in 1999, before Afghanistan and Iraq.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


How about you address the points in my previous post and this post instead of spraying the same BS over and over again?

It started with 9/11? What exactly did Iraq do on 9/11 2001 that would have validated the war? Nothing. The war was illegal no matter how much you try to validate it. Here is a short docu for kiddies about why it's an illegal war, maybe you'll understand after seeing that.

And I know my history pretty damn well. You were the one who was whining about Muslim extremism in "modern times" and would only see RECENT events as relevant. That's why I used said example(s).

Stop watching Faux news and educate yourself before making me lose even more faith in humanity.

Also, would you stop saying "You are dismissed" at the end of your replies as if you are someone that should be obeyed? Thanks in advance.


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OP. It's good to hear someone speaking common sense about this at last.

Originally posted by wcitizen
OP. It's good to hear someone speaking common sense about this at last.

Common sense isn't so common anymore.

I agree the OP is right to be critical. But we're not supposed to be critical anymore. Oops.

Originally posted by Kaploink
These things are really hard to tell. If a Muslim individual commits a violent crime it seems to be automatically considered as religious based terrorism and often receives a large amount of media coverage. On the other hand if a Christian commits a violent crime it's normally considered the act of a lone criminal or lunatic and usually not associated with their religion.

If we applied the same standards to Christian that we put on Muslims for terrorism labeling, we would see rampant Christian terrorism. After all the prisons are full of Christians who committed murder or other violent acts.

No I am not defending either group. People who commit violent acts against others deserve a place in hell.

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Right like when that Army officer in Texas massacred all those people and had even stated his discontent BEFORE he did it , saying he felt like he was betrying his muslim brothers........

and EVERYTHING pointed to it being motivated by his extreme muslim views......



And the Obama administration REFUSED to call it an act of terrorism??????

You mean that kind of always called terrorism?

I would agree, christians are pretty militant, im sure if religion entered into every major crime that has happened, we would have tons of christian bank robbers, killers, arsonists, rapists.

And NO OP this country was not founded as a christian nation. Back then less people prayed less often than now.

Originally posted by edog11
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

How about you address the points in my previous post and this post instead of spraying the same BS over and over again?

It started with 9/11? What exactly did Iraq do on 9/11 2001 that would have validated the war? Nothing. The war was illegal no matter how much you try to validate it. Here is a short docu for kiddies about why it's an illegal war, maybe you'll understand after seeing that.

And I know my history pretty damn well. You were the one who was whining about Muslim extremism in "modern times" and would only see RECENT events as relevant. That's why I used said example(s).

Stop watching Faux news and educate yourself before making me lose even more faith in humanity.

Also, would you stop saying "You are dismissed" at the end of your replies as if you are someone that should be obeyed? Thanks in advance.


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I did address all your points............and i did it in a pretty consolidated manner, you just didnt like what i had to say......


I dont care if you only see RECENT events as relevant..........thats part of your problem.....things just dont "happen"

And yes you are dismissed........you young kids come in here with no idea how any of this even started or the background behind ANY of the wars in the middle east, acting like you are some authority...

Barking at people and calling them names, and pretending to be "current" and "knowledgeable" with your views.....

Recent events are the only ones relevant?

That alone shows your ignorance......


It doesnt matter how ILLEGAL you think that war was.......there was massive instances of muslim extremism and terrorism way before that, if you were so damn smart, you might be able to figure that out.

Good day

oh....p.s. I served many tours over seas......im pretty sure I know how things go over there with tribal relations and their religion that reach back thousands of years..........try not to step on your own lip walking out

reply to post by Gazmeister

for fear of being called "racist".

It is far more complicated than that.

Originally posted by guessing

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights

Originally posted by guessing
reply to post by DerbyCityLights

 

and we see the stupidity of his comments 10 years later.

maybe the people who elected him are the stupid ones?

maybe people who subscribe to this thread are stupid too

lotsa stupid people in the world

eh....

To quote a great movie: "Stupid is as Stupid does."

I dont think calling anyone stupid here will get anything accomplished.

your right ...

if the cap fits.....

So what are you trying to say here? It seems to me that you are calling people stupid because they speak the truth and the truth offends you. Name calling of any kind, even when done so under the guise of simpelton sarcasm is still name calling my friend. How about you debate instead of resorting to a childish attempt to label someone as stupid when they don't agree with you.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


The revisionist have done a good job, sadly,

“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the person that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.” ~ Plato

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

The revisionist have done a good job, sadly,

“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the person that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.” ~ Plato

I love that quote and its so true....people are so short sighted, and the media and the school system has done a great job fostering this idea of America is always the bad guy....

its especially bad in the area of the extremist......I dont know how ANYONE can possibly argue that extremist muslim terrorism is a product of the Iraq war.......

it makes NO sense what so ever, but those people will be the first to jump in your face and try to tell you different, TOTALLY denying written history , even going back as far as 200 years!

Not only that , the young kids will try to tell people who have dealt with these extremist first hand, that they have no idea what they are talking about......

Thats like being in 5th grade and walking into a trig class and telling the teacher he knows nothing of math...

The arrogance of people now days infuriates me..........

reply to post by TerribleTeam2

You do realize the Christian crusades were a thousand years ago ... and the Muslim jihad is an unending ongoing thing that is happening right now. Christianity has evolved and matured. Islam has not. They want to drag everyone back 1,000 years. It's just that simple.

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
And Christianity hasn't moved on. If they had, George Bush wouldn't have called the current wars in the Middle East a "Crusade".

So .. you manage to dig up one guy in the past 1,000 years who called a war a 'crusade - and that somehow equates to all of christianity through all the centuries continuing 'crusades'? Yeah .... riiiiiiiiight. (sarcasim)

But you keep your ignorance and stupidity going. Because when the rest of humanity finally moves forward, you will be left behind.

Back atchya.

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

This same philosophy goes right along with everyone using the Crusades as excuse for Islamist to blow the crap out of everything they hate. It happened hundreds of years ago. It is not happening now. Get over it. And the whole thing about Bush calling the war on Terror a Crusade....THE MAN WAS A MORON FOR CHRIST SAKES! I think Cheney had to tie his shoes in the morning and you are going to judge the entire west based on one word an idiot got wrong? When he said Crusade, he did NOT mean it in the form of a Christian war against Islam, he was just to stupid to put his thoughts coherently together and went for what he thought would be easiest for him to get across.

edit on 20-6-2011 by DerbyCityLights because: (no reason given)

Regardless of your opinion of him being a moron or not, he was the "democratically elected" president of the USA and the globally recognized leader of the USA. It is not unreasonable to assume that him, making such a statement would send shock-waves through the Muslim world.
Why do you people change the rules for each situation? For people to blame an entire religion of people because the acts of a few extremists is OK, but thinking "what the f*ck did he just say?!* when the elected president of the USA who spent 2 terms in the white-house (Meaning that the general population liked him enough for 4 more years) declares a crusade on the Muslims is just false?


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Originally posted by edog11

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

This same philosophy goes right along with everyone using the Crusades as excuse for Islamist to blow the crap out of everything they hate. It happened hundreds of years ago. It is not happening now. Get over it. And the whole thing about Bush calling the war on Terror a Crusade....THE MAN WAS A MORON FOR CHRIST SAKES! I think Cheney had to tie his shoes in the morning and you are going to judge the entire west based on one word an idiot got wrong? When he said Crusade, he did NOT mean it in the form of a Christian war against Islam, he was just to stupid to put his thoughts coherently together and went for what he thought would be easiest for him to get across.

edit on 20-6-2011 by DerbyCityLights because: (no reason given)

Regardless of your opinion of him being a moron or not, he was the "democratically elected" president of the USA and the globally recognized leader of the USA. It is not unreasonable to assume that him, making such a statement would send shock-waves through the Muslim world.
Why do you people change the rules for each situation? For people to blame an entire religion of people because the acts of a few extremists is OK, but thinking "what the f*ck did he just say?!* when the elected president of the USA who spent 2 terms in the white-house (Meaning that the general population liked him enough for 4 more years) declares a crusade on the Muslims is just false?


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There we go again.........ignorance......

Like i explained earlier..........1 where did he declare a crusade on the muslim religion? were those his words?

2. the term CRUSADE isnt unique to christianity or even religion...........


I can have a crusade to save the wales, I can have a crusade to feed the poor, or i can have a crusade to sleep with every women in the bar.......

you can have a crusade to stop terrorism and it has nothing to do with religion......our homeland security is somewhat of a "crusade" to stop attacks

But nice cherry picking , and another nice straw man.......

Keep trying