"Controlled Demolition at WTC 100% Impossible" Article by Jonathan Moseley

reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever


So, we have to concentrate on only this one aspect of that fateful day, and we are not allowed to discuss the fact that steel buildings have never ever fallen due to fire. Nor the fact that jet fuel burns at temperatures between 800-1000 degrees F, yet steel doesn't lose even a fraction of its tensile strength until 1100-1200 degree range, for long durations of exposure time.

If you just wanted people to agree with you, you should've just phoned a friend, instead of trying to tie the hands of the people whom have a very different perspective (including Firemen and First Responders) with some semantic 'rules' game.

Any time someone says that something in this world is or is not 100%, it makes me wonder what they are trying to sell.

Good news here is, I already know what you're selling, and I'm not buying it.

911review.com...

"The simple facts of temperatures:

1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)
Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.
Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved -- particularly in the South Tower."

I was gonna write this all out, but it can't be described any better than this!

This is the worst thread ever. Originator should be ashamed. What a waste of peoples time reading drivel like this. Like a previous poster said, the next time you get the impulse to say someting stupid, call a friend and quit wasting our time.

reply to post by nh_ee


The last 3 pages have been like a summary of every anti-OS 9/11 conspiracy site out there. I mean, you sound like little AJ(Alex Jones) clones. I do not believe the OS in it's entirety because i believe they shot down 93 but there is NO evidence that there was a demo in 9/11 at the WTC site.

I also read some of you saying it looked like a demolition. Well, you could go 4 blocks from ground zero and I could show you some women that look like women but you would have a sausage sandwich in the morning. Now, if you did some research, you would check the fingers. Just because something looks like something and another person or people agree does not make it fact or truth. If you want to prove it, then it is up to the denier to prove their argument which no one can do.

Again, if that was a CD, for a 100 foot building, there would have been evidence found. Also, if you watch a demo, there are seconds before the collapses where you hear the explosions and it comes down. That does not happen on 9/11. The argument is the puffs of smoke 'during' the collapse. Look into CD as to why this would not work. Something. Much of the information they collected is now available through the FOIA. Might be worth a look to you.

Originally posted by SkepticAndBeliever

There were explosions in the basement before the plane hit.

And what would be the point of detonating explosives and causing explosions and HOUR before the towers collapsed, when a demolition only takes a few seconds? Please try to make sense here. There should have been SO many detonation cords or else how can there be a "controlled" demolition? How would be be controlled? ask yourself these questions.

Man you really need to learn the basics of demolition....There is NO need to have "SO many detonation cords"....NONE....It only takes very few KEY points of a building to drop it to the ground....Note the articles author states as his "evidence" that it's never been done before and nobody knows how to do it as his key's to why this is "impossible"??? OPEN YOUR FREAKING EYES!!!!

wow. can this even be real? the OP and supporting article are so poorly done i just cant imagine that even Skeptic believes what hes saying. comical at best. moreover this thread is like running into an NRA meeting waving a gun control petition. youre not convincing ANYONE of ANYTHING, especially here. this sounds a whole lot more like a person who knows damn well what theyre spewing is total bs but is being paid to sound like they believe it. im just not sure anyone would be fooled by this idiocy.

reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever


I'd like to see what this bone head has to say about WTC 7. This building did not have a plane crash into it, but came down like a freight train. This guy is obviously some government schmuck that had to put some disinformation out there to the masses. I like how he keeps adressing the theorist's as "nuts". He is trying to paint a picture here that anybody that does not take the governments view of how things went down that day, must be crazy. Nice try jackass

reply to post by esdad71


It's not just puffs of smoke, its also the pools of molten steel found under WTC 1, 2 and 7, that issue there cant be explained. Did the rocket fuel melt the steel into molten pools? No, that would be impossible, it was done by thermite or thermate (likely military grade)....And a demoltion of that scale will probbaly not look 100% similar to the controlled demoltions we are all use to. For starters the materials they used to bring down the WTC towers are probably different than the materials they use to bring down the old casinos in Las Vegas...

All Hail "Sceptic" you are my hero!!!!

This is the greatest thread posted on this pathetic site.......

you see how the "truethers" gang up and attack......

All these truethers can do after 10 years is wine and complain with the same crappy arguments....what a joke the whole bunch of them are....

reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever
Ah.....I see the spamming troll is still at it.

For those not aware, Skeptic is up to almost 400 posts in less than 4 days. He's also authored 4 threads. All posts and threads are on 9/11 exclusively. What is his purpose?

So far, Skeptic has shown only basic knowledge and has changed his own arguement several times over the course of these 400 posts.

Let's get back to 400 posts in less than 96 hrs.......if you post on ATS 24 hrs per day, Skeptic would be averaging 4 posts per hr. He probably does sleep at some point, so let's just say he's on ATS 16 hrs/day, that's still 6.25 posts per hr. I guess he's unemployed too?

reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever


I'm not sure if I believe the OS or the fringe theories are at all 100% accurate. But in response to the assumption that there would be to many witnesses, or that the government is to "stupid" to pull something like this off, I would have to say that is a very naive assumption.

Just because the government cant figure out health care or exit strategies for war does not mean that they are incapable of such covert actions as hunter killer missions, espionage, shadow wars, puppet governments, etc.

"If" the government did this, it would not be something they would have thought up on the spot and sent some agents to do it over the weekend. This would be something that would "change the world" therefore they would have meticulously planned, coerced, bribed, and trained individuals for this task without ever telling any of them exactly what would happen. Truth within lies is the perfect deception. This is also why information that pertains to and is pro official story can only be trusted if it is 100% independent and 100% unbiased, unlike most of it which was either payed for by government, or investigated by the government. It is very hard to trust a government that has systematically lied and committed crimes against humanity throughout the last 70 years.

I do not know if they did it or not (all though I am pretty sure they shot down flight 93, and knew of the threat of attacks), but I am more than willing to admit they are capable of such a thing. To deny that would be illogical.

don't see him explaining tower 7
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edit : plus it reeks of desperation, how many insults at conspiracy theorists can you throw into one article.. the ball rolling down the hill has started to gain momentum ....
I think this video sums up my observations .... 911speakout.blogspot.com...

I agree that the article in the OP is one of the most garbage pieces of "debunking" I have ever read in my entire life! What garbage.

What happened to the "skeptic" movement? It used to be that they were skeptical of official stories and coverups but it seems they have been totally co-opted by groups using them as gate-keepers.

In regards to finding evidence of det cord or other laughable examples of proof all I have to say is this, and it has already been brought up by others:

-The implementation of the rigging of those building was most likely purpose built. They did not use a standard demo methods because this was not a standard demo.

- They did not use conventional explosives.

Can I prove this, no. It really should just be common knowledge. Do I know how they did it, no. Does that change a thing -- HELL NO!

This thread is one of the better examples of desperate people trying to put the cat back in the bag...now that's the real impossibility!

reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever


Chill on the dumb, detonator cords argument. With the technology at the hands of our govt, I'm sure these were remotely detonated explosives man - DUH!! Think about it, the time delay from the time the plane hit was the amount of time they needed to control the demolition of the buildings. Yes, the floors didn't move until hit by the floor above them, THAT is the VERY definition of a form of controlled demolition. You set charges to weaken every floor, or every other floor, and as the weight from the collapsing floors above hits that floor it cannot withstand the force and collapses along with the mass hitting it and this process continues to the bottom. Having the plane hit 3/4 of the way up helps with this too, by giving them an initial HUGE mass to start dropping on the floors below, and when it finallty gave way and started dropping, they started the detonating sequences for the charges so they would explode in sequence - a mere .5 seconds ahead of the falling mass of floors. Then they even set up larger amounts of explosives on a couple of floors without businesses renting them in order to add to the mass without decreasing from it's freefall force and speed on the way down. The author of this article is ignorant on so many levels it's funny.

It's amusing how people who don't understand his arguments so vehemently reject him.

And in their dejected state, they're in a ball of yarn so gummed up they may never escape.

So let me just say that opening your eyes means looking and thinking.

Just opening them by itself won't do the job. I've seen some creepy zombie stares.

Originally posted by freedom12
reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever

 

Ah.....I see the spamming troll is still at it.

For those not aware, Skeptic is up to almost 400 posts in less than 4 days. He's also authored 4 threads. All posts and threads are on 9/11 exclusively. What is his purpose?

So far, Skeptic has shown only basic knowledge and has changed his own arguement several times over the course of these 400 posts.

Let's get back to 400 posts in less than 96 hrs.......if you post on ATS 24 hrs per day, Skeptic would be averaging 4 posts per hr. He probably does sleep at some point, so let's just say he's on ATS 16 hrs/day, that's still 6.25 posts per hr. I guess he's unemployed too?

edit on 20-6-2011 by freedom12 because: (no reason given)

oh i wouldnt say that. hes probably paid quite well via some black budget or another. and just like most gov expenditures, theyre not getting anywhere near their moneys worth with this guy either.

Originally posted by Urantia1111

Originally posted by freedom12
reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever

 

Ah.....I see the spamming troll is still at it.

For those not aware, Skeptic is up to almost 400 posts in less than 4 days. He's also authored 4 threads. All posts and threads are on 9/11 exclusively. What is his purpose?

So far, Skeptic has shown only basic knowledge and has changed his own arguement several times over the course of these 400 posts.

Let's get back to 400 posts in less than 96 hrs.......if you post on ATS 24 hrs per day, Skeptic would be averaging 4 posts per hr. He probably does sleep at some point, so let's just say he's on ATS 16 hrs/day, that's still 6.25 posts per hr. I guess he's unemployed too?

edit on 20-6-2011 by freedom12 because: (no reason given)

oh i wouldnt say that. hes probably paid quite well via some black budget or another. and just like most gov expenditures, theyre not getting anywhere near their moneys worth with this guy either.

Where is this money I want some of it.

I like how when something is presented it is pushed aside. Detonation cords? WTF would they be doing at a demo site for three buildings.

So, according to the last few posts, I want to make sure i have this correct.

The WTC 1,2 and 7 were destroyed using a special nano-thermite that was somehow initiated by either radio detonation or satellite based transmission. After the fact, no evidence of the receivers nor the material to ignite the special thermite is found in the rubble. It all mysteriously vanished. Man, I bet Cobra Commander wishes he had this technology...

Now, I do not care if you used nano-thermite or standard explosives, to CD a 2 100 story buildings as well as a 47 story building, you truly want to have me believe that there was no evidence? or that it all melted into a pool of steel that was found under a mass of rubble that burned for months?

If you take pieces of a puzzle you can guess at the picture but until you have all the pieces it is nothing but an unfinished try.

What gets me is that so many people take the time to actually respond to such a moronic and uneducated title; just the title of the thread is enough to make one shake his head and wonder why people even bother to try and convince the official story drones.

the article is written as if some bright 6th grader was copying and pasting nonsense from various 9-11 shill sites and commenting with the maturity of a child. Every comment made, virtually, is either an outright lie or close to it. Assumptions are thrown about like straw in the wind, with no facts and no evidence.It is as if the most desperate and brazen of official story drones had an audience of simpletons and intellectually challenged people to nod and drool over the silliness alleged.

the only reason i replied at all was to point out that the article itself probable stands as one of the most egregious examples of inaccurate and ridiculous nonsense yet printed, and one that is so lacking in value that it makes one feel sorry for anyone who would actually believe it...unreal.

reply to post by esdad71


Did they even allow any 3rd party groups to run test on the rubble? I dont think so...After the attacks they used private contractors to clean up the mess and shipped the rubble away so a thorough investigation couldny happen...