20 Orlando Police Steal food from Children, Arrest 6 MORE for feeding the Hungry

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Revealation
Why doesn't everyone just STOP paying the taxes that support these scumbags? You're all basically supporting terrorists.

Uh huh.

Until you have a problem - call the cops - and no one shows up.

Then you'll be screaming the cops aren't doing their job.

Mind you, there are many cases of when you do call the cops and they arrive so far too late that sans criminal on the scene, you can have your pets killed and you family terrorised.

But should you be caught defending youself against it, blam. "Justice comes from the barrel of a gun. I'm Wayne Kerr, Sex is my adventure!"

I would affix a daas video as comedic relief, but the words work better than a video would since this is not #su tonka

----- Personal.

Never called the police. Cant argue times personally, so I do take that back.
However, I have been involved in 2 investigations -

1: where I was working and we saw a local car dealer had been burgled.
Cops arrive, only to single *ME* out for questioning, despite me and 3 colleagues standing there.. I was wearing a beanie. "No hes with us." "Right..." as they waddle off like fairy penguins. I was told I'd be contacted for futher inquiries. I wasn't, I was just treated as a suspect, despite being party to the buggers calling them.

2: where I was at a bottle shop where some slimebag in front of me stole a cask of wine.. 4 liters of goonie people... wine.. crap wine..
Cops arrive, I was asked to stay. Why? Questioning. I was taken aside, told to just tell the truth, and when I said ffs I was with THIS GUY, and pointed to my mate, and the publicans agreed, I was let free - told I would be later contacted. And I was.

4 days later they arrive at my door, stepping on my mothers garden laughing "I hope that wasn't marijuana mr badwolf" as I stare at them thinking how depraved must some 19 year old scumbag be that to enter my god damned house at request they need to ruin my crap. I was not charged nor arrested in either, but was treated as below contempt - and as such the foul stench of police abuse renders firmly in my nostrils.

I politely recall the above also, many words were broken.

No I hate the god damn cops. The day they show me respect for being a citizen, the day they are reciprocated. As such, they are nothing but thugs and scum in uniform.

They have NEVER shown me ANY respect despite mine shown to them. And so for them to do this in Orlando, well.. it's a brotherhood after all.

A pox on them, and all who support them.. Until they are forced to clean their own house, the pigs are nothing but scum to me.

blah.

reply to post by Annee


Socialism as in the definition, "an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively"? No, I guess not. I love profit, my husband had a successful small business, and we deal with small businesses all the time.

Hmmmm, so, no, I'm not a socialist, at least not all the time, because sometimes workers own businesses, and the Green Bay Packers are not a privately held team. I enjoy capitalism when it works for the good of all, owner and worker and nation.

I grew up when capitalism worked for the nation. My dad got his profit sharing check at the end of the year, when the wealthy company owner thanked his employees for helping him have a profitable year. But that was also a time when national govt leaders had big tangible ideas to make us see a wondrous future is possible, like putting a man on the moon.

Haven't seen any big tangible ideas for the country from any govt leaders for a few decades now. War is not a good idea, and globalization of the economy has not been good for the nation so far. Pres Carter had a big idea to make us energy independent, but that was tossed out.

As a kid, I thought if only Walt Disney was president the country would be like Disneyland, a tidy place without disruptions, where big ideas could give everyone a magical time. Maybe that's the world Orlando wants to be, but unlike a private business that can hide what goes on behind the scenes and create a fairy tale world, a city lives in the other reality, where it's not easy to sweep what is not magical under the carpet.

A lack of jobs, a lack of jobs that pay good money, a lack of the means to obtain health care, a lack of money to feed oneself and ones' family, to house oneself and one's family, a lack of adequate mental health care, these are the ugly sides of reality, sides which Walt didn't have to deal with, but apparently people in Orlando, and elsewhere, must deal with.

The big idea of globalization combined with no big idea to put America into the 21st century other than a world military leader has not worked for most Americans. I want the time I grew up in, when capitalism was not greedy, but shared its wealth with workers and helped build a great nation. I don't want the corrupted, greedy version that now exists. The future at times seems so bleak, even a trip to Disneyland can't work its magic.

Originally posted by Dynamitrios
reply to post by randyvs

 

But, he could, because a "crime" isnt just a "you re not allowed to"-situation but a clearly defined action of harming somebody else, approach the feeders and kindly ask them to leave, instead of enforcing an inhumane law... or ask them to move to a non public place if that bothered him so much....

Not every law makes sense, is just, and has to be enforced... laws are only there to create revenue for the state, nothing else... feeding another person with your own food is a crime???? Well... then go ahead,... shoot me then... a cop is a human being in the first place with hopefully some reason... a "folks could you move along please and do that somewhere else?" would have been suffice

edit on 20-6-2011 by Dynamitrios because: i can !!!

How could I not agree with your premise. However I don't believe that's the whole story here. The law dosn't seem to be against feeding the homeless. and this isn't the first runaround with food bomb setting up shop in this park.The police arn't wrong in anything they did. Let's appreciate the fact that they didn't go head under heel about it. You all know how easily they get away with that, I'm sure.

Originally posted by desert
reply to post by Annee

 

Socialism as in the definition, "an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively"? No, I guess not. I love profit, my husband had a successful small business, and we deal with small businesses all the time.

My husband and I had a small business too. First - respectfully - thank you for your long and informative post. I know I will leave key points out in my response. But short - to the point statements - is MY style.

Capitalism - - "Survival of the Fittest" - - is basically a lower form animalistic behavior.

Socialism - - would be IMO an evolved human behavior.

I don't see why you still can't have individualism - free enterprise - etc - - - within a socialism structure.

We've been totally brainwashed, propagandacized and stupid beyond hope - - to believe Capitalism is right.

I just pray that it is kept up.... The way to get rid of homeless people is not to refuse them food... That is just cruel and unusual. They are people with the same rights we have.... They are not being treated as such though.

I think that if they keep it up, the government will take notice that we will not stand for this way of getting rid of homeless people....

Fix the problem, don't shove it onto some one else.

See? They are doing this hoping the homeless will move to a different city... How about, we stop homelessness?

Keep it up! Keep fighting!

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I just pray that it is kept up.... The way to get rid of homeless people is not to refuse them food... That is just cruel and unusual. They are people with the same rights we have.... They are not being treated as such though.

I think that if they keep it up, the government will take notice that we will not stand for this way of getting rid of homeless people....

Fix the problem, don't shove it onto some one else.

See? They are doing this hoping the homeless will move to a different city... How about, we stop homelessness?

Keep it up! Keep fighting!

This is the way that I feel about it. Everything that you said, is perfect in verbiage. However, i do believe that the fearful, scarred, tormented, "torn", etc., would not stand up for themselves in the final stage of what's actually going on.

You really think they want the homeless to go to another city. They're spraying son of a gunning chems over my house at least 2-3 times a week, and I'm in the state of Arizona. They care NOTHING about the homeless, the fearful, scarred, tormented, scarred of this world.

All they want is to suck every bit of our tax paying money to support their "almost" silly agenda. (Which will fail in the end)

Star for you bro. I agree on 92% on what you said.

-OE

Originally posted by GaddaffiDuck

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by GaddaffiDuck
The problem is, what happens when more and more people turn up to get their free food, before you know it, the situation spirals out of control and you have major public disorder. Thats why it is naive to think that they should be allowed to carry out this sort of thing. It encourages tramps and vagrancy and unlawfulness. Not only that, but it also dissolves the state of their responsibility for feeding the people. This is why they SHOULD be arrested.

Having availed Myself of many a free meal, having been homeless, I know You are talking out Your nether region here.

It does NOT "encourage... tramps and vagrancy and unlawfulness." The inability to get a job does THAT for us. Now We should not be turning Our backs on these victims of the economy. Just imagine the food stolen because these hungry were not fed. FAILING to feed Them encourages unlawfulness.

How inHuman to disallow compassion.

edit on 6/18/2011 by Amaterasu because: add

Ever see the signs "Do not feed the animals"? Now I am not saying that the hungry are animals, but just that there is a similar reasoning at work here. Feeding them discourages them from fending for themselves. Great! so a bunch of do gooders put their party hats and funny face make up on and get in their food charriot and go enjoy themselves for a few days. Then they get bored, and decide maybe they will take that once yearly cruise around the world this year after all. Who feeds the hungry then?

Oh yes You ARE saying the hungry are animals. And NO, feeding Them does NOT "discourage... them from fending for themselves." When One is hungry and there are few jobs to be had, failing to feed One does NOT create jobs. It just leaves one Conscious Being hungry. It turns out that it's the luck of the draw who succeeds and who doesn't - having NOTHING to do with motivation, effort, desire, and so forth: read Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers for a very good picture of how luck is the most important element in success. For example, Bill Gates. If He had not had a mother that gave Him access to a computer lab - something few ever had access to back in the day when He was up and coming - He would not have been in a position to develop Windows.

As for Who feeds the hungry - I have news for you... Many would. There are People here that have made it Their life work doing so. I know several people who have worked at the local kitchen, Loaves and Fishes, for over 20 years. These are the loving and compassionate Humans who understand that many of Us are merely the unlucky. That surely does not mean We are animals.

And consider... How many People, raised believing all it took was effort, are unemployed because of a lack of something no One told Them they also needed: luck? How many don't understand why They are in the pits even though They poured Their heart and soul into success and it never touched Them?

You make Us out to be "freeloaders." No, We are not. We are most of Us merely unlucky.

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For various reasons, my computer usage has been severely limited of late, but I wanted to get back to you re your last post. ...and, yes, each one of us here certainly has distinct writing styles, which just adds to the pleasure of reading and posting.

I don't know how govt teachers can teach about American capitalism and investment these days, as they are far from the classical presentations I received years ago. Nowadays, competition is not desired and must be crushed, rather than used as a force for improvement. Investment has turned from quaint ideals of patriotism and pride of investing in a company, restrained by rules, to a gigantic international casino where rules are created for the house or seem to be ignored.

What Americans need to understand is how invested in America are foreign corporations and money since 1980. Even corporations that used to be "American" are partly owned by/invested in heavily by foreign capital. We may not be a one world govt, but America no longer has a capitalist system confined primarily to one country.

McCain and Kerry together just recently rang the opening bell at the Egyptian stock exchange. Another myth told to Americans is that we go to war to bring democracy to people. Hell, we go to war to prepare nations for capitalism. Like Iraq, unless you're a country we don't want to go up militarily against, like China (or Pakistan), in which case we just ship our jobs to you instead to turn you into capitalists.

Yes, this brutish, "animalistic behavior", displays the economic system at its worst. Everything must be commodified (and ready for profit), whether its a widget, operation, emotions, or a baby. Winner take all. Money for bombs not food.

I would agree that socialism represents a higher form of humanity. The ability to share and show compassion, to trust, taken to a higher level. The Pledge of Allegiance was penned by a Baptist minister, Francis Bellamy, who was a "Christian Socialist" back then.

"Brainwashed" indeed! We have to remember that a form of government and a form of economic system are different things. Just because we have democracy doesn't mean we can't have socialism, or a blend of the best from both. Communist China is doing quite well with capitalism nowadays, for ex.

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom." MLK Another citizen brainwashing is focusing only on MLK's work for civil racial justice; much, much of what he spoke about was anti-war, but of course this is downplayed by those in power.

As had been so truthfully proclaimed already by many, we have "socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor", which I will amend to socialism for the wealth holders and the scraps of capitalism for the rest of us.

The term "pork barrel" spending used in Congress came from the days of slavery, when the master would set out a barrel of pork and watch in amusement as his slaves fought over it, as when congressmen fight over the money allotted them. Well, now we citizens watch in horror as our elected representatives fight over the budget, ensuring that those who hoard wealth retain it, at the expense of the rest of us, who have seen our wealth disappear.

Just like on the tv shows, these wealth hoarders need an intervention.

And maybe this Christian nation needs to study their Bible more...

"They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore". Isaiah 2:4

Originally posted by desert
And maybe this Christian nation needs to study their Bible more...

First off we are NOT a Christian nation. The country was founded on FREEDOM of belief without persecution - - - it was not founded on any religious belief. See thread: "The United States was not founded in Christianity? I beg to differ.," www.abovetopsecret.com...

It really pisses me off - those who think anything of any philosophical/moral value began with and is exclusive to Christianity. It didn't. It isn't.

Second - the commandments of Solon are far superior then the commandments of Moses. And they are from 600 BCE.

Let us now turn to the Ten Commandments of Solon (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, 1.60), which run as follows:

1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.

www.infidels.org...

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Back on topic.

Police enforce laws. That is their job.

They do not make the laws. FOCUS on why/who this law was made - - - go after them.

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"Class, why do we have Moses's 10 Commandments and not Solon's?"...desert raises hand...
"Yes, desert?"
""Because our politicians usually only violate numbers six, seven and eight of Moses's, but if they used Solon's they'ld violate two through eight, and voters would have a hard time with number one."

....back on topic...

my 2c towards the discussion of police enforcement of the law. Everyday, police as individuals and sometimes as a group refuse to make an arrest, preferring to deal with the matter in a different way. To be relieved of personal moral judgment because one is merely "following orders" of a state authority turns us into an authoritarian state.

...the following trend is also evident in the evolution of most democracies:

- An entrenched dictatorship is defeated, and a new democracy is established.
- New laws are drafted, to make things better!
- The laws are then enforced, which requires the creation of a new internal security apparatus and the hiring of many new police.
- Over time the laws are enforced more rigidly. The democracy becomes bureaucratic. It is impersonal and inflexible; there is no room for compromise.
- For some laws, their rational tenor expires. But the laws never, or very rarely, do. They are not repealed. And, the security apparatus, including the number of police, is never cut back. Instead, it is redirected to where it is not needed.

The moral of this story is as follows: society should be very selective in the laws that it enacts, and it should be very, very careful about enabling armed security forces.

source the entire document is an interesting read

Yes, go after the laws we choose to make and those who make them, but also be careful about how we choose to enforce such laws.

Wow i did not know soup kitchens and churches were not allowed to hand out food... oh wait they are they just do it and obey the law that the majority of people want. The will of the minority will not rule the day. When i go to the park its for a reason when i go to a resturant its for a reason. Stop bashing the police for doing a job tjey are instructed to do by the majority of people.

Give a man a fish , he eats for a day.

Teach a man how to fish, he eats for a lifetime.

Yes it is different with children though.

If the kids don't eat they will die and if they do eat they will

be dependent on the food donators.

Catch 22.

Ok, so this is too easy to beat. Each "group is allowed by the ordinance to hold these "feedings" twice/year. So, you need 183 "groups". Food not bombs, food is better than bombs, feed don't kill etc...... You just need 183 front men/women. Groups can share the other "members". For that matter, maybe you only need 183 group names?

The police state has to expand, and they cannot allow charity to win. The only way they keep power is if the Gov't is the only one to turn to.

This whole story has been insane from the start. I hope anonymous does something about it. Teaches those cops a lesson. I mean don't get me wrong I'm not talking about a violent lesson. But how about we egg the policeman's cars? Good deal.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Ok, so this is too easy to beat. Each "group is allowed by the ordinance to hold these "feedings" twice/year. So, you need 183 "groups". Food not bombs, food is better than bombs, feed don't kill etc...... You just need 183 front men/women. Groups can share the other "members". For that matter, maybe you only need 183 group names?

That, that is the way to beat them at their own game. Brilliant!

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drew, you always want to take action that won't leave you with egg on your face.

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