Claims of Russian Moon Bases

reply to post by zorgon


Nothing like being lost in orbit.
How long does Russia keep the ISS going on its own.
That a pile of boosters is going to waste.

Well I started this thread hoping for some image analysis geeks to check out the coordinates in the OP but it looks like I wasted my time - especially now this has been moved to the Skunk Works. My first one.

Does anyone have anything?

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Regenstorm

 

According to my own research everything points at Germany reinvented/developed antigravity devices before and during the war, the US and former USSR followed not much later using most likely a different technology.

Yet Germany still fought the war with Messerschmitts and Fockes?

They lost the war too.

The war isn't over.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Imagine you were Hitler, you've got a small country, little resources left and besides Italy, Japan and some Arabs, the rest of the world is fighting against you.

On what would you rely?
On weapons that have proven themselves in the past, or some experimental revolutionary piece of machinery which hasn't proven itself and it is even questionable if it is able to carry weapons?
Note: Some prototypes were used to spread confusion. It backfired because German pilots were also victim of the so called foo-fighters. According to my research the small balls were remotely controlled and when in the vicinity of a plane automatically guided with the help of infra-red sensors.

Some researchers have suggested that the first Haunebu's (Nazi UFOs) weren't able to shoot because of the forcefield that the antigravity-device caused although a canon of a Panther Tank mounted at the bottom of a Haunebu can be clearly seen on some pictures. They supposedly would blow themselves to pieces, within their own gravitational field.

And if there are bases on the moon (which is in my opinion very likely) than they are either German or Joint US/Russia. It is also rumored that the Germans and US/Russia are continuing the war in outer space.

You won't find no bases on Google moon, the government only shows you what they want to show you. The images on Google Earth have obviously been altered

Originally posted by Pimander
Well I started this thread hoping for some image analysis geeks to check out the coordinates in the OP but it looks like I wasted my time - especially now this has been moved to the Skunk Works. My first one.

Does anyone have anything?

edit on 18/6/11 by Pimander because: (no reason given)

edit on 18/6/11 by Pimander because: (no reason given)

Doesn't Google Earth have the Moon also present?
Wait I found it, it does:
www.google.com...
You can feed the search engine with the coordinates.

reply to post by Regenstorm
There's no good reason to suspect Germany, Soviet Russia or anyone else had 'saucer' tech. Even less to go off into ideas of Soviet bases on the Moon.

The ISS is out there as a cutting edge technology.

reply to post by Chadwickus


wow Chad...

that place is way better than google moon..

those pics are really clear too..

thanks

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Regenstorm

 

There's no good reason to suspect Germany, Soviet Russia or anyone else had 'saucer' tech. Even less to go off into ideas of Soviet bases on the Moon.

The ISS is out there as a cutting edge technology.

I'm going to bed now, with a huge smile on my face. There is no evidence that suggests that they haven't. There is lots of (circumstantial) evidence of the opposite. The near future will reveal everything.

reply to post by baddmove

Do you have anything though?

OMG! This thread is going crazy.

reply to post by Regenstorm

There is no evidence that suggests that they haven't.

There's no evidence that they have and proving negatives is a fool's errand.

Take it easy and goodnight.

reply to post by Kandinsky

No wonder they moved it to the Skunk Works... My poor thread. Even Hitler got a mention.


I guess nobody will even bother looking at the coordinates now will they.

reply to post by MainLineThis


On the flip-side...

There are manned bases on the moon, and anybody foolish enough to say otherwise without EXTRAORDINARY proof is, well....quite frankly a lying moron that is preying off the ignorance of what I like to call "useful idiots".

reply to post by Pimander


As, apparently, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter hasn't covered that area with high resolution camera (and it's highly unlikely that it will do it soon, it takes a long time to make a full coverage in high resolution), I looked into the photos from Kaguya/Selene.

They are only 10 metres per pixel, but I think that could be enough to see any bases.

Unfortunately, it takes some time to find, download and convert those photos, but I will post them.

Originally posted by ArMaP

They are only 10 metres per pixel, but I think that could be enough to see any bases.

I don't think that is good enough.

Plus, at 10m per pixel any anomalies posted will be met with 'but that is 10m per pixel, you cannot discern anything with that', or words to that effect.

I have to say that what surprises me about people sometimes, is that they think that all of the operations/covert/black ops/space programs, are fully available. NASA is online to make sure that everyone feels nice and cozy with transparency.

Transparency of WHAT?? WE (regular people) are given nice little gifts (cell phones/internet/satellite dishes) and think that we know it all. WE DO NOT! The little trinkets that are given to us is about 50 years behind. This should be a well know fact!

There was a very real threat between the US and other countries, especially Russia. That is why they started the SALT II Treaty (www.state.gov...), there was a real threat with what the US and Russia had, including being almost identical (in some cases Russia had better weapons), and the US would never tell the masses.

I believe the first rule to believe that their is a conspiracy, is first realizing that we dont know SQUAT! But we are willing to try to find out, and learn as we go along. No photo, No document, NO person, can truly give facts, only speculation. Whether it be Beter, or even me, or you.

Keep an open mind.

Peace, NRE.

reply to post by Pimander


Please. Next you'll be telling me there's water on the moon




There is?

I don't think Russians have space stations on the moon because if anyone did it would be the US. I might believe a joint venture but then you have to ask why keep this a secret? I am not saying I don't think some suspicious activity goes on on the moon or that no one has bases up there. Maybe no one from earth has bases up there. Maybe the moon has visitors who are very transient and they stick a piece of gum on the google earth cameras?

Point being maybe we miss what all goes on there.

I get a kick out of the people saying anyone that believes bases are up there is crazy.

Too funny. Like you are not on a conspiracy theory website.
The moon is suspicious. Always has been.
And if you don't think so you ARE crazy.

reply to post by ArMaP


We can't see secreted doors carved out of mountains on Earth that we know are there and part of military DUMB programs so how can we see a door covered with sand on the moon which might be all that appears of a base if there were one? So easy to camouflage something like this that might be underground. Covering tracks might be more difficult to hide but that's assuming there's a reason or "a thing" to make tracks.

Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by MainLineThis

 

On the flip-side...

There are manned bases on the moon, and anybody foolish enough to say otherwise without EXTRAORDINARY proof is, well....quite frankly a lying moron that is preying off the ignorance of what I like to call "useful idiots".

What if they weren't manned? You won't find extraordinary proof without looking. A moron might think not looking makes more sense, but that's ATS for you.

reply to post by NoRegretsEver
Let's be fair here. The premise of this thread is based on the statements of a man we haven't fully identified and who's background details remain problematic.

The claims involve Heads of State being murdered by the CIA and replaced with robot clones. In the case of Jimmy Carter '18 clones' from 1978 to his death in '81. We have other claims involving elaborate power grabs between Bolsheviks and Soviet leaders orchestrated by Rockefellers. He goes on to explain how the Bolsheviks ruined the Rockefeller plans by launching 'cosmospheres (airborne platforms for particle weapons)' and thwarting their intention for a nuclear war that would destroy Russia. He goes on and on...even listing locations of secret Minuteman Missile silos!

At what point in his multi-faceted and complex cacophony of schemes and plots do we ask ourselves where he supposedly learns all this? How is it that our elusive 'insider' knows the details of all sides? How can he write chapter and verse on schemes that would be secretive beyond measure? Would the Bolsheviks, Americans, Soviets and Rockefellers let their secret plans for world domination pass into the hands of Peter Beter and allow him to allegedly post them out to the world?

Did they keep him informed of events? Why?

reply to post by Pimander

What if they weren't manned? You won't find extraordinary proof without looking. A moron might think not looking makes more sense, but that's ATS for you.

When someone makes claims that are so far beyond 'extraordinary' that they've gone into the realm of bad fiction, only a 'moron' would take them seriously. To continue to take Beter's words on faith is to accept that in the 70s, the world was run by robot presidents, that all UFOs are Bolshevik particle-beam ships and that it's easier to shoot particle beams from 250 000 miles away rather than from 60 000 ft above the Earth!?

Maybe ATS could start some sort of fund-raising and a team of members could build a rocket and a satellite with the equipment suited for detailed pictures of the moon.
I wonder how the media and the government both aka TPTB would react if ATS would announce the project.