So you think you're advanced?

When was the last time you were at a restaraunt?
How about an egg log with cubed processed ham and processed cheese product and a side of shaved potato smothered in oil.
Hundreds of spice combinations, slathered pastes and liquid to enhance the taste of a chunk of animal flesh.
How about leaves slathered in juices and cheeses, with a smattering of other roots, fruits, vegetables and peppers.

What are you really eating that has advanced in the last 2,000 years. More complicated versions of the same methods?

How about your home? Spending thousands of dollars to beautify sheet rock, wood and figerglass?

What primitive shelters we have become acustomed to...

A sign of luxury is polished wood products treated with chemicals. Our buildings do not even withstand mother nature to varying degrees.

How advanced are we really? Look around you and think back at the real changes. Not the things that are simply more 'convienent' or modernized, what essentially has changed?

To think we could dream of spacefaring when we are so tethered to our masters. We are unevolved, or moving backwards with style.

I agree with you.

Can i say we are jumping backwards in leaps and bounds? Just to add some flavor for your thread.

Lets not mention our system of justice(revenge), and incarceration that hasn't been able to evolve past sticking people in rooms alone for 10,000 years, mean while tribal communities still function wholely around the world without a system of justice.

Lets also not forget the lack of true creative power left in this world to seriously solve problems quickly. Lets also couple the fact that we have no more true leaders not fully envoloped by their own EGO, which i might add, was TAUGHT to them THROUGH OUR OWN SCHOOL SYSTEM.

Oh lets not forget how much knowledge of the inner workings of the mind we have lost to bull# Jung philosophies and Freudian principles. Oh yeah, sacred geometry is a map of the psychological experience of the mind and how it works, oops sorry science teachers!

I mean seriously, we can go on all day, but how do we start finding solutions? I guess one of us needs to be a leader.

Kind of like a rant, so not really put together well, sorry.

Spot on!!

Why would you ignore the things we've made more convienent or modernized, they are two huge advancements.

Medicine alone makes your post kind of irrelevant. Flight, trains, the list is really endless.

That's like saying name the fastest car in the world but ignore the top 5 fastest ones.

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Well written on your stone tablet, must have taken you a week to carve that out!

How did you get your carving online? Smoke signals? Pigeon?

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
To think we could dream of spacefaring when we are so tethered to our masters. We are unevolved, or moving backwards with style.

Dreams have no boundaries.

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The outer workings of the world pale in comparison to the inner workings of the mind.

Become a creator.

I always thought that the one s that are more advanced are the ones with better technology, but i was wrong.

you can be stupid and have technology. its about society......were not getting along very well. lets wait another 50 years and see what hppens

we are not more advanced

were just better entertained these days

plus what most refer to as advancements are just the fixes and solutions to the problems we created by thinking we are advanced and modern

go figure


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Using your analogies, you could say space travel is no more different than flying a plane or jumping up in the air.

Also we are evolved, there is no such as unevolved. We have just evolved to make use of our cerebral cortex moreso than other animals on this planet.

Regardless, I see and understand your analogies, but I don't see what the real point is.

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medicine? oh right cures for our modern illnesses, also known as let's extract chemicals from plants to put on a pill form since its a better way to sell it.

we have had medicine all along

we just have been rediscovering it and turning it into a business

the egyptians had advanced medicine

the mayans had astronomy

the greeks had math

romans had war

oh wait thats it, we really only advanced in making tools for war.



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Originally posted by AnotherYOU
we are not more advanced

were just better entertained these days

plus what most refer to as advancements are just the fixes and solutions to the problems we created by thinking we are advanced and modern

go figure

 

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So you don't think that the ability to cure disease that would have killed people 2000 years ago is an advancement but you think it's entertainment?

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The mind is powerful. All of our advancements started out in the imagination of men and women. Alleged of course. All of the diseases are cured not because of the medicine used to cure them, but because of the focus the medicine brings to be able to cure them through the mind. Hmmmm...

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were you here 2k years ago?

if those diseases were so lethal how come we are still here?

plus what diseases have we been curing?

last time i checked modern medicine is all about symptom relief and prevention, not really curing anything.




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So you think you're witty by lashing out at the very system that supports you when offering nothing in return?
When you sit in front of your computer just as the ones do who read this, communicating with the entire world at the tips of the fingers unlike 50 years ago when that was considered blasphemy.
When you mock the very system that keeps you alive.

Everyone has a choice, do not bother with people's choices but your own. You aren't their Master to decide how they live and act. Jog on.

The preference for certain foods is likely inherited. It's kind of hard to break away from that. The way some cro-magnon guy cooked some bird impaled on a stick with mashed fruit pulp and herbs in is still quite approvable today. (Barbeque anyone?) If it tastes really good, it's hard to argue with. Science could make new foods like vat-grown meat, but unless it tastes good and offers similar texture - it's unlikely to become popular.

As for shelters, you've got a pretty good point. The technology and construction techniques exist to make buildings that are hurricane and tornado resistant. (I wouldn't say completely hurricane or tornado proof, because even extreme weather still has its extremes. But storms that devastate many communities would be negligible if better technology was applied.) Ditto for making homes fire resistant in areas prone to wildfires. Most of it lies in using stressed and formed concrete construction with steel framing. Windows could be made out of sturdier things than glass, or have effective storm shutters or enclosures. But apparently such construction is too far from being common enough in order to be affordable for anything other than large commercial buildings. Also there are other barriers which could be almost considered idiocy, such as community design standards. (Some concrete buildings are ugly, but the point is that they don't have to be. Nor should they be ruled out just because of the materials/methods used.) Thus they keep building the same generic wood-framed Victorian style houses, even though the landscape would deem something made in another style as more manageable and cost-efficient in the long run. It might be smarter if houses in some places are built as mounds that blend into the landscape. If the factor of cost could be limited, many disasters could be seen as opportunities to re-build in something more appropriate to the environment and able to withstand the next big natural event. (Not so much a disaster the next time around if new construction is properly built to withstand the worst nature is expected to dish out.)

As for other things, I often feel like the phrase "It's the economy, stupid!" can sum it up. It seems that chasing after quarterly profits with negligence to long-term goals or sustainability inhibits progress. With blinders on and concern only regarding short term yields, there's a serious unawareness towards obvious causes for a stalled economy. Some things take more than one generation to pan out, and the current economic model is counterproductive to such goals most of the time. (More money spent fighting over resources and stealing them out from under people than going up into space after riches which are essentially unlimited.)

Huh? I'm advanced because of my personal ethics and beliefs. Furniture and diet are poor measuring sticks. We eat what we want to eat (if we're lucky), our taste buds haven't evolved. And even if they did, it's hard to say they would become "better." Wood furniture? People appreciate the past and like things that are classic. We have the choice, the choice is advanced.

I see no point to your thread.

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
When was the last time you were at a restaraunt?
How about an egg log with cubed processed ham and processed cheese product and a side of shaved potato smothered in oil.
Hundreds of spice combinations, slathered pastes and liquid to enhance the taste of a chunk of animal flesh.
How about leaves slathered in juices and cheeses, with a smattering of other roots, fruits, vegetables and peppers.

What are you really eating that has advanced in the last 2,000 years. More complicated versions of the same methods?
....

Thank you for starting a great thread about this creeping de-evolution of ours.
Can't possibly agree more with the degenerative nature of modern 'conveniences'.
I remember a time when spices were indeed used to add longevity to real but
comparatively perishable food, and often enhance genuine flavor-- but in recent
decades various chemical additives have been utilized to enhance the palatability
and/or visual appeal of some stuff a buzzard wouldn't otherwise hang an orbit over.

But on the other hand, once in a while I really enjoy a gargantuan parcel of mutant
glowing bovine sinew slurry, overtly deleterious chemical garnishes, and undead bread.
And don't forget with each pair there are bargain sales campaigns pushing along a
telephone booth sized side of totally inert (nutritionally) starch sticks dipped in some
hypertemperature tolerant lubricant that will DISALLOW their decomposure altogether.
But sweetie, when you smell that artificial lard up at process wafting down the street
through a smokestack bigger around than one of Perdition's HingePins, confess you
just gotta get a couple MaxSack_s. And I DO order half of my back seatfull with the
irresistable blonde salty copolymer, "God help me... I do love it so." General George S. Patton

By the way two years ago I got a couple of tumors poisoned and irradiated back in my
throat and the base of my tougue; when combined in volume were bigger than the Ford
Carl Mauldin and Mikey Douglas drove around in "The Streets of SanFrancisco".
Pay at the end please.
Guess there's little speculation over why ol'freebie hasn't been to a fast food slopchute
in three years or so... can't afford it anyway.

And so much for where we call home, it's turning into the best blowmolded technology
ever. So tearjerking to see window components that possess all the craftsmanship and
creativity of a Cincinnatti tactile robot with St. Vitus' Dance. Up until a couple of years
ago I thought millwork happened on wood. Forget about fire retardent, if this stuff ever
had to try to supress combustion, the fumes from the interior flammable remaining
components (like REAL furniture still laying around) feeding it can easily gag the whole
neighborhood. "Make every post matress", couldn't resist Skep. Sorry, it was too good.

Oh well, I guess the quiet war is officially over against the human race, since we're
consuming product that's worse for us than blind foraging and cave dwelling.
Anybody see my club... thought I left it over next to the rice cube maker. (LMAO,
context priceless) Shrimp Egg Log real loser on Tuesday, instead quart MSG pea pod
three bucks you likey. We go now. Much love Stan, he's the best Sechuan chef in history
and we both know it.
S&S! Again, great thread and it's maybe destined to flail!

Originally posted by derfreebie

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
When was the last time you were at a restaraunt?
How about an egg log with cubed processed ham and processed cheese product and a side of shaved potato smothered in oil.
Hundreds of spice combinations, slathered pastes and liquid to enhance the taste of a chunk of animal flesh.
How about leaves slathered in juices and cheeses, with a smattering of other roots, fruits, vegetables and peppers.

What are you really eating that has advanced in the last 2,000 years. More complicated versions of the same methods?
....

Thank you for starting a great thread about this creeping de-evolution of ours.
Can't possibly agree more with the degenerative nature of modern 'conveniences'.
I remember a time when spices were indeed used to add longevity to real but
comparatively perishable food, and often enhance genuine flavor-- but in recent
decades various chemical additives have been utilized to enhance the palatability
and/or visual appeal of some stuff a buzzard wouldn't otherwise hang an orbit over.

But on the other hand, once in a while I really enjoy a gargantuan parcel of mutant
glowing bovine sinew slurry, overtly deleterious chemical garnishes, and undead bread.
And don't forget with each pair there are bargain sales campaigns pushing along a
telephone booth sized side of totally inert (nutritionally) starch sticks dipped in some
hypertemperature tolerant lubricant that will DISALLOW their decomposure altogether.
But sweetie, when you smell that artificial lard up at process wafting down the street
through a smokestack bigger around than one of Perdition's HingePins, confess you
just gotta get a couple MaxSack_s. And I DO order half of my back seatfull with the
irresistable blonde salty copolymer, "God help me... I do love it so." General George S. Patton

By the way two years ago I got a couple of tumors poisoned and irradiated back in my
throat and the base of my tougue; when combined in volume were bigger than the Ford
Carl Mauldin and Mikey Douglas drove around in "The Streets of SanFrancisco".
Pay at the end please.
Guess there's little speculation over why ol'freebie hasn't been to a fast food slopchute
in three years or so... can't afford it anyway.

And so much for where we call home, it's turning into the best blowmolded technology
ever. So tearjerking to see window components that possess all the craftsmanship and
creativity of a Cincinnatti tactile robot with St. Vitus' Dance. Up until a couple of years
ago I thought millwork happened on wood. Forget about fire retardent, if this stuff ever
had to try to supress combustion, the fumes from the interior flammable remaining
components (like REAL furniture still laying around) feeding it can easily gag the whole
neighborhood. "Make every post matress", couldn't resist Skep. Sorry, it was too good.

Oh well, I guess the quiet war is officially over against the human race, since we're
consuming product that's worse for us than blind foraging and cave dwelling.
Anybody see my club... thought I left it over next to the rice cube maker. (LMAO,
context priceless) Shrimp Egg Log real loser on Tuesday, instead quart MSG pea pod
three bucks you likey. We go now. Much love Stan, he's the best Sechuan chef in history
and we both know it.
S&S! Again, great thread and it's maybe destined to flail!

Sidestepping the majority of the dense replies of people who believe that the ability to communicate over the internet is somehow an answer to the question posed, I wanted to point out a very common thread I have come to realize among most people who speak on either side of the fence...

But on the other hand, once in a while I really enjoy a gargantuan parcel of mutant
glowing bovine sinew slurry, overtly deleterious chemical garnishes, and undead bread.
And don't forget with each pair there are bargain sales campaigns pushing along a
telephone booth sized side of totally inert (nutritionally) starch sticks dipped in some
hypertemperature tolerant lubricant that will DISALLOW their decomposure altogether.
But sweetie, when you smell that artificial lard up at process wafting down the street
through a smokestack bigger around than one of Perdition's HingePins, confess you
just gotta get a couple MaxSack_s. And I DO order half of my back seatfull with the
irresistable blonde salty copolymer, "God help me... I do love it so." General George S. Patton

Does it really feel correct when you say things like this? Why is the future always so bleak, it's not like we've ever really strived to reach it. I think that the additives in our food and water are far scarier than the scene you propose. The present / reality is far more scarier than the future / imagination.

To everyone who understood what I was trying to convey, thankyou. I'm glad I'm not alone.

To those that cling to misconceptions, sit down at a restaraunt and decide if a single thing on the menu is really "innovative" and not just the same exact thing repackaged for consumption.

My point is not that technology does not exist. My point is that for all of our hubris and ego, displayed so wonderfully in this thread, we are not as far along as we could or should be.

Great post OP

A metaphor I've used before: Humanity is like a toddler that stumbled into the kitchen and found a sack of sugar ungaurded on the floor. Obviously the toddler starts stuffing his face with this heavenly discovery...and he will probably keep stuffing his face even as his belly groans in pain because there is so often a disjunct between what feels good and what is good. Learning to resolve this difference takes time and isn't fun. A lot more fun to just load up on toxic sauces and surroundings...