Are Hacker Attacks False Flag Attacks to Justify a Crackdown on the Internet?

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Former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told a leading expert on internet free speech, Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig, that there was going to be an "i-9/11", in other words, an electronic terrorist act, and an "i-Patriot Act" to crack down on freedoms on the Internet under the guise of protecting against such threats: There’s going to be an i-9/11 event. Which doesn’t necessarily mean an Al Qaeda attack, it means an event where the instability or the insecurity of the internet becomes manifest during a malicious event which then inspires the government into a response. You’ve got to remember that after 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.

We may have just had our i-911. Specifically, the government is claiming that hackers defaced army and Nato websites, writing things like: "Stop attacks u israel and usa ! you cursed nations ! one day muslims will clean the world from you ! " This sounds a lot like the notes which were sent with the killer anthrax. If we did just have our i-911, watch out for military spokesmen, politicians and talking heads pushing for an i-Patriot Act . . . as a way to crush free speech on the web.

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I believe this it's what's going down with "Anonymous" Anonymous = CIA probably.
We will see.

reply to post by C21H30O2I


I think its only obvious and I have thought this from day one. Proof? Its on the MSM lol Ya its comin just a matter of time. they are being exposed as people"wake up" imo

Add in the recent Lulzsec attacks on cia.gov, the senate, the atlanta sec firm...
A single phantom group masquerading as two?

Edit: and while it's not necessarily proof, this just popped up.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
It's being called a glitch now but who knows what they'll attribute it to tomorrow

I'd have to disagree. I've spent the last 36 hours learning about this subject from every source I can find, anywhere on the net. I'd never been aware a Cyber War was even occurring, let alone the true extent and global nature of it. I'm no expert...of course, but I don't believe this is a false anything. I'm coming to understand that the "something" we've all been complaining "no one" is doing is actually what we're watching happen right here. Someone IS at least trying, and this is what it looks like, in my opinion. At some point, I'd always believed the Hacker/Cracker community would finally have enough of the garbage and do something in their own right.

Before we assume this is some false flag to justify more government crackdown, I simply ask that everyone consider the possibility this is the reaction TO the crackdown already being done against everyone, world wide. If this is NOT the fight to resist that we'd all expect to eventually see, then just what would it look like? Careful which side we root for here..is what I am really saying, I guess. I'm neutral until I learn more...but I sure don't believe this is false flagging for any government.

reply to post by AllUrChips


Yeah there's proof I agree just a matter time.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Do you think the group Anonymous is Government?

reply to post by C21H30O2I


I think the recent outbreak is a result of the fact that government seems intent on removing as many freedoms as they can whether the hackers fight against the oppression or not. A lot of skilled people are unemployed and disenfranchised, a lot of former employees of this and that blue chip company now having to find the means to support themselves independently, or for some they can now see what their actions caused and want to take steps to amend it.

This behavior isn't limited to the fringe of some hackers, we've seen soldiers come out an say they murdered civilians and planted weapons - they were sorry about it and broke rank to let people know. This is happening in Israel as well as the US which I found surprising. We've seen high level officials risk and some actually meeting death in an effort to make public all types of information. It's all part of an awakening we're undergoing. I'd like to think it shows a progressive shift of value from physical wealth back towards humanity itself.

The hacking, the disclosure, the dissent and uprisings are a sign that a critical mass of people are ready for the emergence of something else. What that is no one knows yet but if opposition goes away and good people stop coming forward then we're really well and truly lost.

reply to post by C21H30O2I

I think Anon is at least Government backed. These attacks are just to dupe the majority into trading their freedom online for "security" from the "cyber terrorists" It's all part of the big picture to create a totalitarian regime here in the US.

reply to post by C21H30O2I


No, I really don't. I think Anonymous is exactly what the command structure that does exist, presents itself to be. It's more of an umbrella term that anyone can come under with only general direction as to what targets are most desirable to strike. I've yet to find any specific directions or even order to Anonymous that can be seen from my vantage point. If the 'leadership', such that it is, IS CIA then they sure screwed the pooch on this one. It's inspiring action and whole campaigns by other people across the world which are not and cannot be controlled from any center.

Whoever came up with the Anonymous concept did their homework. They are working under the classic cell/cadre model where no one really knows who the others are because direct coordination is not only un-necessary but very undesirable.

I don't know about some of the other groups I have come across flying the same type of banner as Anonymous...Some of them almost HAVE to be state sponsored. I mean, it'd be insane if the target governments didn't respond in that way, at least for the attempt and hope they hit pay dirt on pure luck. The poor kid who ran the Malay campaign apparently is an example of what Government agencies would be hoping to find. I hope he's okay, by the way.....However, No...I don't think Anonymous is any plant by the CIA, SVR or anyone else.

Originally posted by Imhotepsol
reply to post by C21H30O2I

 

I think the recent outbreak is a result of the fact that government seems intent on removing as many freedoms as they can

I agree fully.

reply to post by ShAuNmAn-X


I've been thinking the same thing for a long time now.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Makes sense. I believe, it's possible though for the Government, CIA to create False Flags claiming Anonymous,
to get what they want. I wouldn't put it passed them. Perfectly capable.

reply to post by C21H30O2I

Even Anon may not know that it is Government backed. How hard would it be to hire a couple of operatives to recruit people for their "noble cause" and go around making high profile attacks on government websites? That's what I think is happening. Since Bin Laden is supposedly dead they needed a new boogeyman. I think Hackers are the new "boogeymen ". It would also allow the government to expand their definition of "domestic terrorist". REX-84 will be coming soon i think.

This would seem probable, however I could not pinpoint any hacking group directly. People are saying Lulzsec, but I don't buy that for a second. I have downloaded all of the information that they have ever released, talked to everyone in the industry that I know, as well as read, read, read, and I just cannot believe that they are a government organization. Now I would not doubt that they may have been, or will be, infiltrated by the government, as that is how these things have gone down in the past.

reply to post by ShAuNmAn-X


Funny how Rex 84 is short for "Readiness Exercise 1984" 1984 being the key Orwell comes to mind. keep going the way we are. Wont be far off.

reply to post by JiggyPotamus


Not sure, Maybe its an unknown Gov circle, CIA or who ever.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

If the 'leadership', such that it is, IS CIA then they sure screwed the pooch on this one. It's inspiring action and whole campaigns by other people across the world which are not and cannot be controlled from any center.

From what I've read, heard, and generally come to understand, these internet systems can indeed be shut down or controlled over large scales. The only thing preventing it would be the inevitable public outcry. For example, China has been very successful in applying censorship across their entire country, with only a few exceptions. That's an amazing feat.

Then consider that almost everyone in the western world connects through ISPs which by law must work with law enforcement. If the White House commands it, then they could all be turned off like flipping a switch.

Unless you know of some capability hackers have that I don't, I really don't see what they could do about any of this.

It doesn't matter if Anonymous is CIA or not. The very fact that it's "anonymous" means that anyone who so desires, could commit a criminal act and call themselves Anonymous. And since there's not even a formal organization to Anonymous, they wouldn't even be entirely lying even if it were CIA!

reply to post by Son of Will


Yes I agree, there's a thread here about how,
anyone can hack and blame it as anonymous.