A Senior Banker Was Just Gunned Down In Puerto Rico In A Suspected Professional Hit Job

Originally posted by Dilligaf28What do ticks, mosquitos, or any other form of insect life have to do with the fact that another form of bloodsucker man was murdered? This was a living breathing human being whose life was ended. Can you honestly tell me that you feel it is justified to murder someone because of the fact they are in banking?

Spagnoletti, due to his professional profile, is quite different from most of the dozens of people murdered each week on the streets of Puerto Rico, yet the modus operandi of the killers was very similar to that employed by local drug gangs.

Why would drug dealers kill this guy? If not them why would someone be hired to do it and frame them? This was not a random hit. Three shots to the head is either an execution or it is personal. I do have compassion for his 5 year old daughter, but you do not become executive vice president of Mortgage and Banking Operations by being a nice guy.

Originally posted by Dilligaf28
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

One less conspiracy theorist is a good thing to many. Who wants to be the first to volunteer their life to satisfy the bloodlust of one of those many?

If anyone thinks one less banker is a good thing is justification for murder remember that there are those that would murder you to have one less conspiracy theorist in the world. Both of the parties in the previous sentence are either right or wrong, but one cannot be right while one is wrong.

Did some conspiracy theorist hurt your ego, hurt your feelings, hurt your family, make you think, or you just don't like people with different views? What is it? Why don't you share with us why you have so much hate? This is the first step in the healing process. Let it all out man.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Why would drug dealers kill this guy? If not them why would someone be hired to do it and frame them? This was not a random hit. Three shots to the head is either an execution or it is personal.

Could have something to do with money laundering.

Maybe the guy was gonna uncover some arrangement between dealers and bankers.

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SonofLiberty you become vice president by working hard and proving you can do the job. Yes sometimes you do have to foreclose on someone's home as part of that work. Banks just go willy nilly foreclosing on whomever; a foreclosure happens when someone does not live up to their contractual obligation to pay the bank for the house. Its that simple. If they don't live up to their word they get foreclosed. Why is he a bad guy for insuring that people adhere to their word?

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I don't hold any ill feeling towards any conspiracy theorist. Unlike those in this thread that have a blanket bloodlust for bankers I know better than to stereotype. My example is meant to show that there are those that hold a bloodlust for groups which they personally do not agree with and nothing more. I am simply stating that someone's perception of a group or class is not motive for murder.

You accuse me of holding hate???? I am the one saying nothing this man did warranted murder and my comment is being ridiculed for feeling he shouldn't have died. You need to address that last part to sonsofliberty and the others in this thread that seem to feel its ok to have murdered this man for being a banker.

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You don't hold any ill feelings toward conpiracy theorists but you happen to compare conspiracy theorists to bankers. Hmmmm...

reply to post by blackrain17


I stated that any given group may hold hostility towards any other given group but that hostility does not mean someone can commit murder. It doesn't matter who the two groups are no one has the right to end a human life because they are unhappy with that persons profession.

My analogy did use conspiracy theorists as since I am on a conspiracy board I thought it would be the most relevant example.

reply to post by Dilligaf28


I still think it's a bad comparison since bankers directly affect our lives where as conspiracy theorists do not. But I'll accept your explanation.

reply to post by blackrain17


A conspiracy theorist or a banker both are human beings. Both are reviled by others. Neither deserve to be murdered by those whom revile them.

Originally posted by Dilligaf28
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

SonofLiberty you become vice president by working hard and proving you can do the job. Yes sometimes you do have to foreclose on someone's home as part of that work. Banks just go willy nilly foreclosing on whomever; a foreclosure happens when someone does not live up to their contractual obligation to pay the bank for the house. Its that simple. If they don't live up to their word they get foreclosed. Why is he a bad guy for insuring that people adhere to their word?

Really? Ever heard of Bank of America? Maybe you should rethink your platform?

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SonsofLiberty perhaps you should rethink holding a bloodlust for an entire group of people? I know a historical figure that hated a group of people. He tried to kill them all as I recall. Given that you advocate such violence and hatred towards bankers I feel you are of the same mentality as Hitler and his hatred of jews. Would you care to explain how your blanket stereotyped hate is different from his blanket stereotyped hate?

Originally posted by Dilligaf28
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

SonsofLiberty perhaps you should rethink holding a bloodlust for an entire group of people? I know a historical figure that hated a group of people. He tried to kill them all as I recall. Given that you advocate such violence and hatred towards bankers I feel you are of the same mentality as Hitler and his hatred of jews. Would you care to explain how your blanket stereotyped hate is different from his blanket stereotyped hate?

Advocating violence? That is quite a leap don't you think? I said that I cannot find it in myself to shed a tear. In other words, I don't really care that some banker got his ticket punched. It is not like I advocate the legality of butchering millions of babies each year. Those people might actually fit your definition.

reply to post by Dilligaf28


You need to come up with better comparisons and examples cause simply put, they suck...

reply to post by blackrain17


Perhaps rather than ridiculing me for providing such poignant and relevant questions you could actually answer me? If the best answer you can give to a valid question is to insult the question or the questioner its as good as saying "your question is spot on and if i answer it then I'm going to have to change my view so I'm going to attack you and insult the question so hopefully you don't notice that I didn't answer it".

Good job


Hitler said the jews were no good money hoarding scumbags and the earth was better off without them. you seem to feel the same way about bankers. How is my question anything but relevant?

Hitler said the jews were no good money hoarding scumbags and the earth was better off without them. you seem to feel the same way about bankers. How is my question anything but relevant?

The difference is that not caring if they die is not the same as herding them into ovens. How can you even think so? Hyperbole much?

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Let me put this in a way that might be more understandable to you.

This man was a living Man given his right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness by God himself. This Sovereign right was infringed upon, was denied to him, by the thugs that murdered him.

Is that more or less palatable to you?

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See there is no difference. Your opinion or the fictional one I responded with are both opinions. Opinions that either person has every right to hold; that is to say until that opinion prompts someone to murder another human being.
signature:
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.


Presumably someone you classify as an 'idiot' is someone whom doesn't agree with your opinion. I don't hold with assassination but whether you like it or not, its a tool not only drug-dealers use, but also businesses and Governments with the intention of silencing and concealing the truth from the public.

I noted you dodged answering the points I raised about the damage the banks have done - and the sheer brazeness of their top staff of awarding themselves huge bonuses. Looking at reasons for people being shot, such as: adultery robbery etc pales in my book, to a man whose lost his job, lost his home and living under a flyover in his car with wife and 2 young kiddies, whilst his home is empty.

I worked before going to College in a clearing bank as a secretary some 40 years ago. Your comments about the banking industry are right, but they applied back then, not now. The Bank Manager would not lend to anyone over a set formula for 2 & 1/2 times the man's salary for a mortgage and business loans were based on security of property etc. Money was never pushed to the public. Things did ease up a little but never expanded very far for years.

7 years ago I went for a loan to do some work on my house. I was gobsmacked when I asked for £20,000 and was told I could borrow up to £57,000, in fact she showed a bit of annoyance I stuck to what I needed, clearly a bonus on what she could have got me to borrow was in the offing (regardless of whether I could pay it back). I hope you see the difference in banking ethics here because banking policy was deliberately altered to entrap both business and public alike. What has been done is the equivalent to exploding a number of dirty bombs across the Western World and its been done by a conspiracy of top Bankers who planned to explode these bombs.

I suspect from your signature you came on here hoping to bash conspiracy theorists whether you just hate them for being bold enough to have their own opinions or TPTB are getting a tad worried because there has been a subtle change in the public's perception of CT's and most of the public are fast stoppng thinking of CT's as idiots and agreeing with their views.

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I've been on ATS for some time and only the other day added my signature. I did not address your statements about the banks because they are irrelevant. Nothing corporations do can justify the murder of a human being just because that human being works for that corporation or in that industry. That sort of thinking is one step from being able to justify ethnic cleansing, another holocaust, and all sorts of mindless atrocities, and that sort of thinking has been used to justify those same horrors in the past.

I came to ATS to deny ignorance. Check out my post history if you think otherwise, and to see that my signature is a very recent addition to my profile while your at it.

The very pure simple truth is this man did not deserve to have his life taken from him just because he worked for a bank. It doesn't matter what a bank did or did not do for/to you nor does it matter what a bank does to anyone; no one deserves to die because of where they work.

And to address directly what you attempted to insinuate no I am not aligned with any sort of TPTB, I'm not a government shill, i'm not an agent; I am a human being with thoughts and opinions and I happen to find ATS to be a great place to express myself and learn/grow from some of the other members on the board.

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For the record.....I LOVE your signature. I have always liked that saying.

Also, I work for the government. I am intimately aware of the danger that happens when people equate individual people with the corporate or government entity they work for. If you read my other posts, you will see that I carry my weapon 100% of the time.....even at work (with special permission).

BUT, I am also intimately aware of how my job affects people, and sometimes the things we do to people are just plain wrong. Sometimes individuals like me are required to follow the letter of the law or lose our jobs. Following the letter of the law sometimes means doing bad or unjust things to people that obviously do not deserve it. They get angry, they make threats, and I agree with them.

I can think off the top of my head of 2 or 3 individuals that I would not blame for showing up at my job and shooting me. Obviously, I don't want to be shot, but I am saying that I wouldn't blame them if the did! I would also not go down without a fight, because I want to go home to my family.

There are occasions where two people can be agreeing with one another, be acting appropriately for their individual situations, and still be on violently opposing sides. In those incidents, a tragedy will ensue and nobody is right or wrong.

If I were more of an idealist, I would take a stand on some issues and I would refuse to follow the law, I would refuse to follow orders from my boss and the legislature, I would stand up for common sense and plain justice, but I would lose my job, and my family would suffer. So instead, I try to minimize my impact, empathize with those on the opposing side, but by doing so, I am part of the problem in some cases. If someone equates my actions with the actions of the government as a whole, and if they take out their vengeance on me personally, well......I probably deserve it......I had a choice and I selfishly chose to do things that didn't seem quite right (legal, but not just), because I wanted to protect my job and family.

So, people like me are not advocating the murder of all bankers, or government employees, but we are saying the world would be better off with 1 less banker, 1 less government worker, 1 less drone carrying out unjust orders. And that goes for me as much as anyone else.

The problem is, I can be killed, but any other drone can take my place. The world won't change until the consequences go up. It might take violence for bankers and government drones to wake up. Change the perceived power. How would my actions change if the consequences changed? Instead of worrying about protecting my job, what if I suddenly had to be hyper-aware of a violent backlash for my actions? Would I suddenly become an idealist and stand on my morals even if it cost me my job? Maybe I would!

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Your post is insightful, dignified, and very thought provoking!
2nd line (i know your a mod but forgive the one line I want to think about your post more before I reply)