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Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by RRokkyy
Please learn how to quote external sources:
Posting work written by others. **ALL MEMBERS READ**
if you post something that is not 100% your own writing or work you must use the EX TAG, post NO MORE THAN 10% of the original (or three paragraphs, whichever is least), and GIVE A LINK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL.... Failure to do so will get you a MANDATORY 3 DAY POST BAN on the first offense,
You broke at least two site rules, by not using the EX tags, and by quoting an excessive amount of the article. But if you ask a mod nicely they may fix your post for you, if you've exceeded the 2 hour edit window.
And if I had found your source in a Google search, it wouldn't have answered my question. If you're asking other people if they can dispute your data, then you should provide the data you want to see disputed. You haven't provided any reliable data, only anecdotes. Your source simply mentions that one guy knows of one autism case. It doesn't mention any assessment done on the thousands of others he doesn't know that he seems to be assuming don't have autism.
Also, I found that it may only be true that vaccination rates are lower in Amish, not that they don't vaccinate at all:
In relation to possible biomedical causes for autism (such as vaccine injury), there is a popular way of thinking these days that goes something like this: "We don't believe it because it hasn't been proven. It hasn't been proven because we are not studying it (i.e. in peer reviewed studies published in medical journals). We are not studying it because we don't believe it. We don't believe it because it hasn't been proven..." ad infinitum. If something has to be proven before scientists will study it, how can we learn anything new? As far as I know, Dan Olmstead does not have the credentials or funding or employees to do a full scale study of the Amish. He is investigating as a reporter. He is uncovering information worthy of further study. He does not pretend to have found definitive answers regarding the Amish, at least not so far. When asked why doesn't the CDC do a comparison of health outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the director of the CDC said that it would be terribly difficult to find such children. When asked, "What about the Amish?" she replied that maybe there are other factors such as genes or life style that would impact the rate of autism among Amish people. If so -- as Dan has commented -- wouldn't it be interesting to study these different factors in relation to health outcomes such as autism?
Originally posted by Spencer1989
The amish don't do A LOT of things the rest of America does. How can you pinpoint to vaccinations?
It is simple:
Step 1. Look up the known components of vaccine injections.
Step 2. Cross-reference with known toxins and carcinogens.
Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by Universer
Excuse me, but I am not the paranoid one; far from it.
It is simple:
Step 1. Look up the known components of vaccine injections.
Step 2. Cross-reference with known toxins and carcinogens.
So you can't be bothered to list the specific chemicals that you think cause cancer so you've used to old, "Google it" trick.
I am aware of the compounds in vaccines, so please provide me with the names of the chemicals you are unsure of and I will do my best to clarify
Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by scoobdude
Thiomersal was removed in 2001
Originally posted by Griffo
Formaldehyde is used to sterilise the vaccine, to kill any unwanted microbes that may be present. Formaldehyde may sound scary because of its use in embalming, but you have to realise that formaldehyde occurs naturally in the body as a by-product of digestion and metabolism. The amount of formaldehyde in a vaccine will be far less than the amount present in your body. Formaldehyde is a simple molecule and is easily broken down and excreted.
Originally posted by Griffo
Aluminium is used as an adjuvant, it acts as a sort of catalyst to make your immune system react stronger than it normally would. Yes, aluminium is a neurotoxin, but only at levels far greater than those found in vaccines. It's the third most abundant element on earth, the average person consumes ~8mg per day. The amount contained in vaccines is ~0.85mg
Originally posted by Griffo
Thiomersal was removed in 2001
Originally posted by Griffo
Phenoxyethanol is a bactericide. The last thing you would want would be to have bacteria in the vaccine as well as the virus. Phenoxyethanol is also used in perfumes and skin creams, which obviously have to be dermatologically tested to be approved for sale. Yet again, at high levels, this could possibly be toxic (don't quote me on that one). But at high levels water is very toxic
Is also a known carcinogen.....
Ingesting still goes though the body's defense systems.... injection bypasses almost all of them
Really?
FDA has been actively addressing the issue of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines. Under the FDA Modernization Act (FDAMA) of 1997, the FDA conducted a comprehensive review of the use of thimerosal in childhood vaccines. Conducted in 1999, this review found no evidence of harm from the use of thimerosal as a vaccine preservative, other than local hypersensitivity reactions (Ball et al. 2001).
Look just cause something is naturally forming does not make it good.
Are we as a people really too stupid to put 2 and 2 together?
Children with autism was extremely rare not even 50 years ago to the point that people would travel across the world just to see a child with autism.
Yes, in concentrations far higher than you would normally receive in a vaccine. X-rays are also carcinogenic, but they are ok if you only have one occasionally.
Yeah, except for the part where it would enter through your lungs. Do you happen to have an exact name for the compound containing aluminium? Or is it elemental aluminium that they add? It didn't say in the link
Yes, from childhood ones at least
From the link you provided
I never said it was good, I said it wasn't harmful
I find it slightly ironic the way you don't trust large organisations, but cite the FDA's website
The American Cancer Society estimates that 12,200 cases will occur to American women this year, resulting in 4,100 deaths
Are they? I have read reports saying it is the x-rays for breast cancer that is now causing it. Let me know if you would like a link on this. In addition to that the FDA just raised the "safe dose" of radiation... carcinogen or not.. I would like to limit my exposure to none if possible on both.
Found this for you. It has info on adjuvents which is what contains the aluminum salts and lists 3 of them. I also want to point out that "alum" is one and is used in deodorants and to clear up nics in shaving.
So you do the math... merk also has just lost a whole bunch of law suits over the purple pill and just in texas this vaccine would have been injected into millions of girls 12 and older.
Add to the fact you need 3...and i believe they were 125 a piece. Lawsuit would seem like a small loss based on this profit
Similar stats are evident among several if not all vaccines. So we should ask ourselves which risk we want to take. But no one should be punished for choosing their course of action as none of them are going to yield 100% results. I hope we can agree on such a term.
Originally posted by Griffo
Yeah, I thought this was common knowledge
X-rays are used to determine whether a person has a broken bone, or has lung damage (amongst other things). They are radioactive, and as a result, can cause DNA damage with prolonged exposure. You would have to have many x-rays or CT scans before you would get cancer though
Originally posted by Griffo
Cheers. Aluminium hydoxide is classified as a mild skin irritant (as are the other 2 on the website). It is used as an antacid for people who suffer from heartburn. Its purpose is to stabilise vaccines by preventing the proteins in the vaccine from sticking to the walls of the container during storage.
The adverse effects of aluminium hydroxide have so far not been proven, although you should watch this space for any updates.
Aluminium phosphate is a compound used in baking powders and cake mixes.
Potassium aluminium sulphate is, like you said, used in deodorant as well as water purification. It is an antiseptic, which is why it is used in deodorants - it kills the bacteria responsible for BO
Aluminium is remarkably nontoxic, aluminium sulphate for example, has an LD50 of 6207 mg/kg. This equates to ingesting 500g for an 80 kg human. It is neurotoxic in high doses though
Originally posted by Griffo
Purple pill?
Originally posted by Griffo
I take it you mean $125? We don't have to pay for vaccines in the UK, courtesy of the NHS, so my opinion on this may be incorrect. But I think that this is mainly a healthcare/government issue and the pharmaceutical companies have unfortunately found out and used the sad state of the US healthcare system to their advantage.
Originally posted by Griffo
Yeah, vaccines are not 100% effective - more like 99%. But, if a lot of people are vaccinated then they provide a phenomenon known as herd immunity to the people in society who are unable to get vaccinated (i.e. immunocompromised people)
New disease and conditions are found out all the time; HIV/AIDS wasn't discovered until the 80s. Does that make it any less credible?