Nazi and America

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Oh Really !

Project Paperclip: Dark side of the Moon

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Sixty years ago the US hired Nazi scientists to lead pioneering projects, such as the race to conquer space. These men provided the US with cutting-edge technology which still leads the way today, but at a cost.

The end of World War II saw an intense scramble for Nazi Germany's many technological secrets. The Allies vied to plunder as much equipment and expertise as possible from the rubble of the Thousand Year Reich for themselves, while preventing others from doing the same.

The range of Germany's technical achievement astounded Allied scientific intelligence experts accompanying the invading forces in 1945.

Supersonic rockets, nerve gas, jet aircraft, guided missiles, stealth technology and hardened armour were just some of the groundbreaking technologies developed in Nazi laboratories, workshops and factories, even as Germany was losing the war.

And it was the US and the Soviet Union which, in the first days of the Cold War, found themselves in a race against time to uncover Hitler's scientific secrets.

In May 1945, Stalin's legions secured the atomic research labs at the prestigious Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in the suburbs of Berlin, giving their master the kernel of what would become the vast Soviet nuclear arsenal.

US forces removed V-2 missiles from the vast Nordhausen complex, built under the Harz Mountains in central Germany, just before the Soviets took over the factory, in what would become their area of occupation. And the team which had built the V-2, led by Wernher von Braun, also fell into American hands.

Crimes

Shortly afterwards Major-General Hugh Knerr, deputy commander of the US Air Force in Europe, wrote: "Occupation of German scientific and industrial establishments has revealed the fact that we have been alarmingly backward in many fields of research.

"If we do not take the opportunity to seize the apparatus and the brains that developed it and put the combination back to work promptly, we will remain several years behind while we attempt to cover a field already exploited."

Thus began Project Paperclip, the US operation which saw von Braun and more than 700 others spirited out of Germany from under the noses of the US's allies. Its aim was simple: "To exploit German scientists for American research and to deny these intellectual resources to the Soviet Union."

Events moved rapidly. President Truman authorised Paperclip in August 1945 and, on 18 November, the first Germans reached America.

There was, though, one major problem. Truman had expressly ordered that anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazism militarism" would be excluded.

Under this criterion even von Braun himself, the man who masterminded the Moon shots, would have been ineligible to serve the US. A member of numerous Nazi organisations, he also held rank in the SS. His initial intelligence file described him as "a security risk".

And von Braun's associates included:

Arthur Rudolph, chief operations director at Nordhausen, where 20,000 slave labourers died producing V-2 missiles. Led the team which built the Saturn V rocket. Described as "100 per cent Nazi, dangerous type".
Kurt Debus, rocket launch specialist, another SS officer. His report stated: "He should be interned as a menace to the security of the Allied Forces."
Hubertus Strughold, later called "the father of space medicine", designed Nasa's on-board life-support systems. Some of his subordinates conducted human "experiments" at Dachau and Auschwitz, where inmates were frozen and put into low-pressure chambers, often dying in the process.
All of these men were cleared to work for the US, their alleged crimes covered up and their backgrounds bleached by a military which saw winning the Cold War, and not upholding justice, as its first priority.

And the paperclip which secured their new details in their personnel files gave the whole operation its name. Sixty years on, the legacy of Paperclip remains as vital as ever.

With its radar-absorbing carbon impregnated plywood skin and swept-back single wing, the 1944 Horten Ho 229 was arguably the first stealth aircraft.

The US military made one available to Northrop Aviation, the company which would produce the $2bn B-2 Stealth bomber - to all intents and purposes a modern clone of the Horten - a generation later.

Cruise missiles are still based on the design of the V-1 missile and the scramjets powering Nasa's state-of-the-art X-43 hypersonic aircraft owe much to German jet pioneers.

Added to this, the large number of still-secret Paperclip documents has led many people, including Nick Cook, Aerospace Consultant at Jane's Defence Weekly, to speculate that the US may have developed even more advanced Nazi technology, including anti-gravity devices, a potential source of vast amounts of free energy.

Cook says that such technology "could be so destructive that it would endanger world peace and the US decided to keep it secret for a long time".

But, while celebrating the undoubted success of Project Paperclip, many will prefer to remember the thousands who died to send mankind into space.

reply to post by paraphi


The Nazis Had a thousand advanced weapons projects on the go many of them never got beyond some concept drawings but they all took up resources, if they had concentrated on 10 they might have made a better go at losing, however they did a stack of groundwork making them useful to paperclip.

If they'd abandoned all their flying saucer and time travel projects and carried on with their helicopters instead they might have proved to be useful against the Russians.

Originally posted by Thepreye
reply to post by paraphi

 

The Nazis Had a thousand advanced weapons projects on the go many of them never got beyond some concept drawings but they all took up resources, if they had concentrated on 10 they might have made a better go at losing, however they did a stack of groundwork making them useful to paperclip.

If they'd abandoned all their flying saucer and time travel projects and carried on with their helicopters instead they might have proved to be useful against the Russians.

The "Nazis" as most people call them did not lose, the German people who were used as a tool by the "Nazis" lost. The Nazis themselves simply went underground and continued on with their long-term plan of dominating the world which they do to this very day. Israel has been led by AshkeNazi Jews since day one: www.nowtheendbegins.com...

reply to post by 123AZ


Nazism didn't die, it is after all an idea/philosophy and I believe they did go "underground" to military sites and bases primarily in the USA, Prescott Bush and the Skull&bones/cia infrastructure almost certainly helped but this was in the hundreds to low thousands the other 98% of Nazis including the leadership, apart from those strongly rumoured to have escaped, lost and died like the Nazi state that was Germany. In terms of what is a Nazi you might as well say the total control god king cultures of Babylon and Egypt were Nazi as they exhibited strong authoritarian Nazi traits.

However that doesn't take anything away from the fact that the Germans spread their research and development way too thin and often in unproductive directions like the flying saucers and time machines, less than 100000 sturmgewers got to the front line out of the paltry 2500000 actually produced.

To much power at the top is a stultifying atmosphere for innovation because everyone is terrified of pissing off their superiors so they just do as they're told and keep their noses clean and hope to survive the nightmare, hence the profusion of dream projects and the number of actual tank and plane projects that made no sense but were followed because someone with authority had ordered it without brainstorming with the Boffins like the Allies did.

reply to post by 123AZ


Oh really? So the Nazi's are really Jews? That's a new spin on 'Jew hatred'!

Whilst I read Jim Marrs and agree with his theories and love his books, he has never ever presented this in all his research or discussions I have personally had with him?

The Rise of The Fourth Reich is a great book and I would encourage everyone to read. A great researcher who to my knowledge has never come to the colnclusions you have?

Originally posted by neo96
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how much research does it take to know hitler marched off the jewish people and burned them alive.

hmmm nazi or nasi "prince of jews" and yet killed and raped over 6 million of them.

yeah ok whatever.

hitler was jewish a self hating one as it appears

And Obama is "CHristian" and went to a "Christian" church. So let us realize that some people are devils incarnate, regardless of their so called ethnicity or stated religion. What do the Rothschilds and Obama have in common? The Illuminati.

Originally posted by 15FORreal
all of the world most advanced weapons were based off of Nazi weapon designs

What makes you claim that? jet engine, Radar, proximity fuze, atomic bomb, long range bombers - all designed by allies.

Originally posted by 123AZ
Hollywood fantasies !

I recommend these factual books

Except that they are not factual at all -

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report"

However, during the trial Leuchter was dismissed as expert witness as he had neither the qualifications nor experience to act in such a position.

Leuchter chiefly cited the absence of Prussian blue in the homicidal gas chambers in support of his view. However, residual iron-based cyanide compounds are not a categorical consequence of cyanide exposure, and by not discriminating against that, Leuchter introduced an unreliable factor into his experiment, and the outcome was seriously flawed as a result. In contrast, fair tests conducted by Polish forensic scientists which discriminated against iron-based compounds confirmed the presence of cyanide in the locations and manner in accordance with where and how it was claimed to be used.

The discredited report is still widely distributed among Holocaust deniers.
and
Most recently, Butz attracted attention when he issued a statement in which he agreed with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's statement that the Holocaust is a "myth." In a press release dated December 18, 2005, Butz wrote:

I congratulate him [Ahmadinejad] on becoming the first head of state to speak out clearly on these issues [the alleged fabrication of the Holocaust],

and

On November 14, 2005, Rudolf was deported to Germany where he was wanted for inciting racial hatred.[3] There on arrival, he was arrested by police authorities and transferred first to a prison in Rottenburg, then to one in Stuttgart in Baden-Württemberg. On March 15, 2007, the Mannheim District Court sentenced Rudolf to two years and six months in prison for inciting hatred, disparaging the dead, and libel. Rudolf as well as the prosecution accepted the verdict....... Rudolf is closely associated with the Belgian Holocaust denial organization Vrij Historisch Onderzoek (VHO).

So not factual, written by holocaust deniers!

reply to post by bsalert


No im saying the americans are the germans...everthing nazu germany had to offer the US took

What makes you claim that? jet engine, Radar, proximity fuze, atomic bomb, long range bombers - all designed by allies.

Hitler had the 1st jet engine designs near the end of WWII, albert einstein was a geman scientist that in my opinion was taken around the time of Operation Paperclip. and long range bombers were also thought up by the nazis

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by 123AZ
Hollywood fantasies !

I recommend these factual books

Except that they are not factual at all -

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report"

However, during the trial Leuchter was dismissed as expert witness as he had neither the qualifications nor experience to act in such a position.

Leuchter chiefly cited the absence of Prussian blue in the homicidal gas chambers in support of his view. However, residual iron-based cyanide compounds are not a categorical consequence of cyanide exposure, and by not discriminating against that, Leuchter introduced an unreliable factor into his experiment, and the outcome was seriously flawed as a result. In contrast, fair tests conducted by Polish forensic scientists which discriminated against iron-based compounds confirmed the presence of cyanide in the locations and manner in accordance with where and how it was claimed to be used.

The discredited report is still widely distributed among Holocaust deniers.
and
Most recently, Butz attracted attention when he issued a statement in which he agreed with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's statement that the Holocaust is a "myth." In a press release dated December 18, 2005, Butz wrote:

I congratulate him [Ahmadinejad] on becoming the first head of state to speak out clearly on these issues [the alleged fabrication of the Holocaust],

and

On November 14, 2005, Rudolf was deported to Germany where he was wanted for inciting racial hatred.[3] There on arrival, he was arrested by police authorities and transferred first to a prison in Rottenburg, then to one in Stuttgart in Baden-Württemberg. On March 15, 2007, the Mannheim District Court sentenced Rudolf to two years and six months in prison for inciting hatred, disparaging the dead, and libel. Rudolf as well as the prosecution accepted the verdict....... Rudolf is closely associated with the Belgian Holocaust denial organization Vrij Historisch Onderzoek (VHO).

So not factual, written by holocaust deniers!

edit on 17-6-2011 by spoor because: (no reason given)

seriously, you are quoting wikipedia as your source for truth regarding facts on "the holocaust" ?!

All of the West's technological achievements have been from the Nazi's that were SMUGGLED out of Germany by the Vatican...

What a sick, twisted world we live in...

I wonder how long till the culling starts in America.....

Originally posted by Hongkongphooey
reply to post by 123AZ

 

Oh really? So the Nazi's are really Jews? That's a new spin on 'Jew hatred'!

Whilst I read Jim Marrs and agree with his theories and love his books, he has never ever presented this in all his research or discussions I have personally had with him?

The Rise of The Fourth Reich is a great book and I would encourage everyone to read. A great researcher who to my knowledge has never come to the colnclusions you have?

The only hatred being portrayed here is YOUR racist hatred of NON-JEWS.

What has Jim Marrs to do with anything on this thread ?

I advise 'everyone' to do their own research on "the holocaust."