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Originally posted by Rustami
this is an interesting read on the subject-
Within Jewish Circles, there are two other official ways one can become a Jew. One can be born from a mother who calls herself a Jew, or one can 'convert' to become a Jew. (A convert is called a Ger which literally means stranger). Being born a Jew is pretty simple. If one's mother is Jewish (of the Jew-ism religion) then he/she is considered a Jew, if one's mother is not of the Jew-ism religion, then neither is the child officially a Jew. (It doesn't matter what race the father is).
They want the convert but the convert must be 100% committed to being a Jew. Discouraging conversion helps to filter out those 'lacking the proper degree' of commitment. Jew-ism is strongly Anti-Christian.
The term 'Jew', has come to be used synonymous with the term 'Israel, or Israelite', however, this is error. Scriptural "Yisraelites," the collective descendants of the 12 tribes of Jacob/Israel (the Northern Kingdom) were never called Jews. Modern Jews are not of the tribe of Yahudah, and are not a part of the Yisraelites of the Scriptures. They take the name Jew because the name is in the name of their religion i.e. Jew-ism. Jews have deceived may Christians into thinking that Jew-ism is a continuance of the Scriptural worship system of Jacob/Yisrael, but it is not.
assemblyoftrueisrael.com...
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter [of the law]; whose praise is not of men, but of God.-Romans2
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. -Philippians3
I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. -Revelation2
He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew15
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. -John10
called by a new name -Isaiah 62,65,Revelation3
And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. -Acts11
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. -John4
Even that question came up only because of some so-called Christians there—false ones, really —who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to enslave us and force us to follow their Jewish regulations. -Galatians4NLT
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” -
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. -Matthew21
www.biblegateway.com...
Present-day Modern Jew-ism, was formally formed into it's basic cultic worship form about 1,000 years ago, (according to Jewish history), when - Rabbenu Gershon a Khazar/Jew of Mainz, Germany, published a ban on bigamy for the Jews. This marks the recorded beginning of the Ashkenazi Jewish Sect, and Franco-German halachic* creativity. The word 'Ashkenazi' is not Hebrew for the word Germany, although the name has become 'associated' with Germany because many Ashkenazi Jews organized in Eastern Europe.
Modern Jew-ism as a religion began about 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany, considered the 'Father' of the Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews constitute approximately 90% of all the worlds approximately fourteen million Jews. Modern Jew-ism is not the Scriptural worship system of the Hebrew Yahudi (of the tribe of Yahudah).assemblyoftrueisrael.com...
Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.
said that the non-Jews should be made aware that loyal Jews declined the offers contained in the Balfour Declaration of 1917.
www.jewsagainstzionism.com...
Present-day Jews are a pot-pourri of every race of man, and they do not have any geneaological or racial derivation from the ancient peoples of the Holy Land.
Since “Jews” were a mixed race from the beginning, the term “Semites” applied to them, admittedly, is silly. Thus, “Anti-Semitism,” actually means “Anti-Pharisaism.”
www.come-and-hear.com...
Over time, the Bible translators arbitrarily and incorrectly shortened the word “Judean” to “Jew” and incorrectly attributed ethnicity to the word, something it NEVER has in the Bible. And thus, the supposedly “Jewish” race was concocted out of thin air. But there is no such thing as a “Jewish” race. “Jewishness” is a culture and/or a religion – the culture and the religion of the Babylonian Talmud, the “holiest” book of Judaism, a book that is the antithesis of the Bible.www.goodnewsaboutgod.com...
The first King James version of the Bible unfortunately started to mistranslate the words Canaanite, Edomite and Hittite as “Iewe.” In subsequent versions they started to use the modern term “Jew.”
In light of this, and all the other scientific evidence, confirmed and verified, it should be enough to convince any rational person that the modern Jews are standing on very shaky ground in their racial claims to be descendants of Biblical Israel. If you don't believe me just read The Jewish Encyclopedia, remembering of course that there is nothing anti- Semitic about it. After all, the Hittites were not Semites at all. hittites.htm
www.biblebelievers.org.au...
Modern Jew-ism as a religion began about 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany, considered the 'Father' of the Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews constitute approximately 90% of all the worlds approximately fourteen million Jews. Modern Jew-ism is not the Scriptural worship system of the Hebrew Yahudi
Originally posted by solid007
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
LOL.Wiki?Still your incorrect.ITS not in your torah..period.Wiki is not torah
According to the Jewish Encyclopedia (1906), "The first settlements of Jews in Europe are obscure. From 163 B.C. there is evidence of Jews in Rome [...]. In the year 6 C.E. there were Jews at Vienne and Gallia Celtica; in the year 39 at Lugdunum (i.e. Lyon)." Further documents indicating the presence of Jews in France before the fourth century are as yet unknown. Hilary of Poitiers (died 366) is praised for having fled from the Jewish society. A decree of the emperors Theodosius II and Valentinian III, addressed to Amatius, prefect of Gaul (July 9, 425), prohibited Jews and pagans from practising law and from holding public offices ("militandi"), in order that Christians should not be in subjection to them, and thus be incited to change their faith. At the funeral of Hilary, Bishop of Arles, in 449, Jews and Christians mingled in crowds and wept, while the former sang psalms in Hebrew. From the year 465 the Church took official cognizance of the Jews. Jews were found in Marseille in the sixth century, at Arles, at Uzès, at Narbonne, at Clermont-Ferrand, at Orléans, at Paris, and at Bordeaux. These places were generally centers of Roman administration, located on the great commercial routes, and there the Jews possessed synagogues. In harmony with the Theodosian code, and according to an edict addressed in 331 to the decurions of Cologne by the emperor Constantine, the internal organization of the Jews seems to have been the same as in the Roman empire. They appear to have had priests (rabbis or ḥazzanim), archisynagogues, patersynagogues, and other synagogue officials. The Jews were principally merchants and slave-dealers[citation needed]; they were also tax-collectors, sailors, and physicians.
While the date of the first settlement of Jews in the regions the Romans called Germania Superior, Germania Inferior, and Germania Magna is not known, the first authentic document relating to a large and well-organized Jewish community in these regions dates from 321[3] and refers to Cologne on the Rhine[4][5][6]. It indicates that the legal status of the Jews there was the same as elsewhere in the Roman Empire. They enjoyed some civil liberties, but were restricted regarding the dissemination of their faith, the keeping of Christian slaves, and the holding of office under the government.
A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."
Originally posted by solid007
Definition of Anti-Semitism from the lips of a Jew:
“Anti-Semitism does NOT signify opposition to Semitism. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. It is an expression we use effectively as a SMEARWORD, used to brand anyone who brings criticism against us.”
Harold W. Rosenthal (Jewish), administrative assistant for then-U.S. Senator Jacob K. Javits (Jewish) of New York, in an interview with American Christian magazine editor, Walter White.
Is it true?
Originally posted by gnosticquasar
For the most part, I agree that accusing someone of being anti-Semitic is just a smear. I don't agree with my country's continuing unwavering support of Israel. That's because I'm against genocide, not because I hate Jews.
Originally posted by angelchanneller
Oh and by the way, for the most part I am on board with this thread...I take issue with Rosenthal, but like Mod said...its old news.
Inside the tribe...anti-semitism is a misnomer...it has really not to much to do with Jews as I recall. It is not used.
I am a member of a two state solution temple that funds Palestine and aligns themselves with Palestine's borders that include their water rights and rights to the Temple Mount.
Also, we are interfaith...so so much for Jews not being for Jesus, also we have many Jews married to Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, the list is endless. Also, we have people who do not believe in God or being Jewish by action. They just believe a Jew should help people and that is all they do. No worship whatsoever. It can get very confusing.
As for Zionists, what a mess...and yes, the end of all the greedy families is coming not just the Jewish ones, but yes, its all coming down. So corrupt, rotten to the core. Our family friends with us fight this horror everyday so our children have a world free of it when we are gone.
I am writing a book on the Jew Jew Killers. Its amazing...even the Jews do not know what you all know here. They, especially the holocaust survivors cannot take it when you explain that it was Jews who turned them in for the most part. I may have to wait until my Dad passes on and some older Aunts and Uncles. It is too much for them. I have caught the Simon Wiesenthal stacks trying to hold tight to this documentation. But I will get it one way or another. Cannot finish the book without.
But just so you know, there are Jews and there are Jews. The Jew Jew Killers are with the Big families, aligned fully and trained by them. Then there are just plain old everyday Jews that get kicked around just like everyone else. Especially in temples like mine...Israel does not even recognize us. Seriously. We have no right of return. The last time our Rabbi was in Israel he met with Abba's equivalent of the Secretary of State to let the cabinet know that the US had a huge conference of temples raising money for Palestine and supporting this through our congress and the knesset.
Well, you can imagine how that went over. What ever...its always something isn't it.
Originally posted by solid007
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
You have understanding problems.Point me in your torah that clearly say the religion of judea is "JUDAISM" people is having a laugh on you.It's hard to swallow the truth.I understand
mitochondria. Their DNA shows that today's Jews from the largest group, the eight million Ashkenazim – most of whom once found their home in central and eastern Europe, and who now represent the majority of American Jews..A scan of half a million variable sites across the genomes of several hundred Europeans and Americans, each aware from their family history of having had a recent Jewish or a non-Jewish ancestry, gave an absolute separation between Jews and others: even a single Jewish grandparent was enough to provide an unambiguous identity, written in DNA www.telegraph.co.uk...
"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." The Jewish Almanac (1980)
Many people suffer under the misapprehension that Jesus was a "Jew,"
However, the point here is this: the very first time the word "Jew" is found in the modern Bible, they are at war with Israel.
The 1933 edition of The Oxford English Dictionary is helpful in this respect and lists the first published usage of the word "Jew."
which referred to Judaeans, the residents of the Babylonian province of Judaea, and not as a reference to members of the tribe of Judah.
they are not the true biblical Covenant People
until "Shiloh," came who would then assume headship and receive the allegiance of true spiritual Israel as Isaiah 9:6-7 foretold. That is, when the Messiah arrived.
In the modern, colloquial idiom "Jews" are descendants of Judah while in the Bible it means anyone dwelling in Judaea regardless of lineage or ethnicity.
Numerous copies of these revised 18th century English editions ( especially the Rheims (Douai) and the King James translations of the New Testament) were distributed to the clergy and the laity throughout the English speaking world. And so, the new readers of these 18th century editions were introduced to a new word both to them and the English language, the word "Jew." For, these readers did not know the history of the origin of the English word "Jew" and accepted it as the legitimate modern form of the ancient Greek "Ioudaios" and the Latin "Iudaeus." Thus, these new readers did not understand or care to question the meaning and use of the word "Jew" since it was a new English word to them. Consequently, the use of the word "Jew" was not only stabilised by these 18th century editions but also its anachronistic application to people and places fully established.
"Iesus Nazerenus Rex Iudaeorum."
www.overlordsofchaos.com...
Jesus was not a Jew and therefore he was not a Judaean. Moreover, Jews are not the Tribe of Judah. Correctly, members of the Tribe of Judah are Judahites. That is, Judahites are of the Bloodline of Judah. Consequently, Jesus was not a "Jew," he was, correctly, a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the Bloodline of Judah, a direct decedent of King David and an Israelite living in Galilee and so was a Galilean. "Jew" is a nationalistic word not a racial word and means someone living in Judaea. The southern part of ancient Palestine coming after the Kingdom of Judah and a Roman province at the Time of Christ.
unionofchristchurch.org...
Originally posted by Rustami
mitochondria. Their DNA shows that today's Jews from the largest group, the eight million Ashkenazim – most of whom once found their home in central and eastern Europe, and who now represent the majority of American Jews..A scan of half a million variable sites across the genomes of several hundred Europeans and Americans, each aware from their family history of having had a recent Jewish or a non-Jewish ancestry, gave an absolute separation between Jews and others: even a single Jewish grandparent was enough to provide an unambiguous identity, written in DNA www.telegraph.co.uk...
"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." The Jewish Almanac (1980)
Many people suffer under the misapprehension that Jesus was a "Jew,"
However, the point here is this: the very first time the word "Jew" is found in the modern Bible, they are at war with Israel.
The 1933 edition of The Oxford English Dictionary is helpful in this respect and lists the first published usage of the word "Jew."
which referred to Judaeans, the residents of the Babylonian province of Judaea, and not as a reference to members of the tribe of Judah.
they are not the true biblical Covenant People
until "Shiloh," came who would then assume headship and receive the allegiance of true spiritual Israel as Isaiah 9:6-7 foretold. That is, when the Messiah arrived.
In the modern, colloquial idiom "Jews" are descendants of Judah while in the Bible it means anyone dwelling in Judaea regardless of lineage or ethnicity.
Numerous copies of these revised 18th century English editions ( especially the Rheims (Douai) and the King James translations of the New Testament) were distributed to the clergy and the laity throughout the English speaking world. And so, the new readers of these 18th century editions were introduced to a new word both to them and the English language, the word "Jew." For, these readers did not know the history of the origin of the English word "Jew" and accepted it as the legitimate modern form of the ancient Greek "Ioudaios" and the Latin "Iudaeus." Thus, these new readers did not understand or care to question the meaning and use of the word "Jew" since it was a new English word to them. Consequently, the use of the word "Jew" was not only stabilised by these 18th century editions but also its anachronistic application to people and places fully established.
Jesus was not a Jew and therefore he was not a Judaean.
Moreover, Jews are not the Tribe of Judah. Correctly, members of the Tribe of Judah are Judahites. That is, Judahites are of the Bloodline of Judah.
Consequently, Jesus was not a "Jew," he was, correctly, a Judahite ("Yhuwdiy") of the Bloodline of Judah, a direct decedent of King David and an Israelite living in Galilee and so was a Galilean.
"Jew" is a nationalistic word not a racial word and means someone living in Judaea.
The southern part of ancient Palestine coming after the Kingdom of Judah and a Roman province at the Time of Christ.