Charlie Chaplin: Zepped. Experts need your help. 'UFO'?

reply to post by torsion


I saw that page when i was digging around and it has nothing to do with Chaplins short Zepped.
This was a cartoon, and Zepped clearly is not.
I thank you for delving a little deeper.

On a different note: zepped will go on auction pretty soon, estimates are a 6 figure selling price.
Will dig up a link and add it.

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Originally posted by OnlyLove
reply to post by torsion

 

This was a cartoon, and Zepped clearly is not.

"Zepped" does contain animation. The film looks like a quickly cobbled-together mish-mash of pieces of film. Some frames being out-takes from other Chaplin movies, (stock) footage of an airship and the (most likely John Bull) cartoon..

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by OnlyLove
reply to post by torsion

 

This was a cartoon, and Zepped clearly is not.

"Zepped" does contain animation. The film looks like a quickly cobbled-together mish-mash of pieces of film. Some frames being out-takes from other Chaplin movies, (stock) footage of an airship and the (most likely John Bull) cartoon..

Yes you are right.
It might well be possible that John Bull did know (and work) with Chaplin, But I couldn't find any reference connecting the two together. I did find that in the movie: "THE BOND" The actor Henry Bergman played the role of John Bull. But that doesn't tell us anything.
The experts asked for help on this matter and I'm pretty sure if it was as easy as 1+1=2 they would of known by now. Or to propose the different theory; that with the upcoming auction they needed some publicity.
Link

I know there are clips from other movies in this film.

The hybrid, over which Chaplin apparently exercised no creative control, includes a shot or two from His New Job, the short film Chaplin made for the Chicago-based Essanay during his 23-day residency here in late 1914 and early 1915."

Source

They wan't to know: What it is and how it was done.
The experts couldn't agree on it. Again maybe creating 'hype', but I find it very interesting and amazing that this has surfaced.

I uploaded said animation for others to see.
From the few clips i saw of zapped animations, none were in this animation. I don't know if this is the full clip but I'm guessing the length of the animation was pretty common back in the day.


Thanks,
OnlyLove

reply to post by OnlyLove


That is Thunderbird 2.
Clearly.

And you people call yourselves UFO experts, Pffft.


Interesting, S and F.

Originally posted by atlasastro
reply to post by OnlyLove

 

That is Thunderbird 2.
Clearly.

And you people call yourselves UFO experts, Pffft.

I'm not calling myself anything, you did.
Thank you for you informative post it really helped. Clearly.

ooh ninja edit

I don't understand.

A film is discovered called "Zepped"
There is a zeppelin in the film
And people are calling the zeppelin a UFO?

Ok, so I just got a reply from the owner(s).

> Hi XXXX > Thanks for your recent email to us about Zepped and its contents. We've checked out the discussion thread at abovetopsecret.com and it looks like a whole bunch of people are becoming like us - hooked on the mystery that is Zepped! Anyway, further to your request, I'm attaching some decent quality still of the zeppelins to this email. These were snapped by auctioneers Bonhams ahead of the potential sale of the film on 29th June in London. I've also attached a couple of screen grabs from one sequence of our doc which might be of interest: we've been fascinated by the "sparkles" in the sky in this section: are they an effect or perhaps anti-aircraft fire or something else? It might be interesting to note they are each grabs of CONSECUTIVE frames of the video we shot i.e. very little time between them. Significant? Maybe. > > Anyway, I really hope all these prove useful and spark more debate and discovery! > > By the way, we have a twitter feed relating to the doc that we're making which you can find here:: www.twitter.com... > > Let's see what happens next. > > All the very best JOHN (&MO) >

Thanks John (&Mo)

I uploaded the pictures to my ATS account so for the full rez go there.





Full rez on my profile HERE


And I agree posting this in " UFO & Aliens " was a mistake in hindsight.
Mods feel free to move, thanks.

OnlyLove

Originally posted by atlasastro
reply to post by OnlyLove

 

That is Thunderbird 2.
Interesting, S and F.

edit on 15/6/11 by atlasastro because: (no reason given)

I'm sure that Thunderbird 2 should be moving faster than that & we would also be able to see it's rocket engines firing.
I am quite certain that it is Barney Rubble's car. Compare the two, you'll see I'm right.

reply to post by OnlyLove


For a bit of fun I've grey-scaled the film and animated the stips.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d649f4cfe870.gif[/atsimg]

I know this is rough, but am I seeing what looks like an inconstant wobble with the blimp? Suspended object?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9a065838b3fe.gif[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/367ebffa2cd8.gif[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9a544626147b.gif[/atsimg]

reply to post by dsm1664


Thank you, thats very helpfull
I'm guessing that the simulated AA is an after effect that is added directly on the film. With some sort of chemical etching.

Ok some more info.

Got another email from the owner, won't include all of it but will add this:

John Bull's animated sketchbook video. John Bull isn't actually a person. It's a personification of all things British - like Uncle Sam for the US. So when Henry Bergman played the role of John Bull in The Bond it was for a British version - they swapped the Uncle Sam character out for John Bull. The author of the animation in the video looks likely to have been one of either Anson Dyer (no relation). Lancelot Speed or Dudley Buxton - all exponents of the art at the time. Personally, I'm convinced that the Chaplin animation was done by one of the them.

Thats clears some things up, atleast for me it does.
Invited them to ATS cause they have more inside knowledge then I will ever have.
Thanks again.

OnlyLove.

reply to post by dsm1664


This whole thing is a bit silly.

Yes they found the film, that's fantastic, but why ask the question what type of Zeppelin?

It's a propaganda film, full of...well....propaganda.

The Zeppelin was either a model or put on to the frames afterwards...if the 'Top Zeppelin Experts' cant identify it, well, then it wasn't one. Unless they somehow managed to use a top secret prototype in a film that never saw the light of day.

As another member stated, this is just viral marketing for the documentary about the film 'Zepped'.

There were so many derigibles/blimps manufactured in those days, the designs are almost countless.
The Charlie ship looks like a typical design, with the 2 gondola's underneath. Look at the following images,
they are very close, and also, it is possible that the original picture has the back end of the ship in clouds, or the fin design is a modification of what I am showing in the images below. The film copy is so bad..... There is nothing that would suggest it is anything else but a derigible... the image is just too close to what we know about them.

reply to post by OnlyLove


although its very hard to judge
the shape and style of the object reminds me mostly of a

army water/land vehicle that transports troops

not too sure what they are called tho

who else agrees? cant really think of anything else

reply to post by dsm1664


Excellent work!
Clip #4 tells the whole story.

This is a superimposed image.

Again, excellence in creative analysis.

Why are you spamming that on every thread?

We had someone doing that yesterday with the same blog, are you the same person?

reply to post by OnlyLove


www.google.com...

England got Zepped in WWI
The house looks typically English.

Zepplins were not good enough for WWII and Count Zeppelin went out
of business refusing to build some new fangled ship.
ED: The new fangled ship perhaps the greatest 'UFO' known to mankind.

I have found this ship. A picture of it can be found in "Strange and Unexplained Mysteries of the 20th Century." ,Sterling Publishing Co, Author Jenny Randles, 1994 - ISBN0-8069-0768-1.

It is the Zeppelin LZ-4 , maiden official flight in 1908, but had test flights of Lake Constance (a lake on the Rhine at the northern foot of the Alps) before that.

If I get time, I will scan the image and post it, however, it is the EXACT ship, in shape, dimension and tail configuration.

Originally posted by torsion
reply to post by OnlyLove

 

Chaplin encounters a Zeppelin in this free to download 1916 stop-motion short. The animator is John Bull and most likely the source of the animation used in "Zepped". The wheelchair-bound Chaplin caricature appears towards the end as a zeppelin flies overhead.

John Bull animation

The animator is John Bull That name to me suggests it was a propaganda film made to hi light the suffering of people in Britain under the first concerted bombing campaign against civilians. Until the use of incendiary bullets the Zeppelins , pretty much, roamed free over much of Great Britain during the first couple of years of WW1. They did institute some anti aircraft batteries, however they didn't have a great deal of luck.


As John Bull is the name of the English equivalent of Uncle Sam I'd guess it was produced by thw "war office" slated to be shown in the USA in order to convince the American public to join in the war against the Central Powers. If it was made in 1916 it might be that it was seen as no longer of use as it was increasingly obvious America was being drawn into the war by the actions of Germany in supporting Mexican territorial claims against the USA.