You people do know that these "Aliens" or "UFOs" are in reality demonic spirits?

reply to post by annella


People who wrote down Bible had a different perception of the world. Their understanding of it was very limited, and they wrote off everything unknown to God, demons and angels. I'm not saying Bible is wrong. Though it has a different point of view then today's world, as now we can imagine that there are beings on other planets and there is a possibility of them having a technology to visit us. Back in the days they didn't even have airplanes. Rain and thunder was also an event caused by God. Any disease was caused by demons and satan. The statement that aliens are demons might be right if you look at them from Bible ages. Nowadays we have theories that aliens were thought as demons or angels. Even more: demons and angels and, possibly, God are the ETs. There are good and bad people on the earth and I beleive there could be aliens with good and bad intentions, so stating that aliens are demons would be incorrect.

Now since you brought this up, think about the beginning of the Bible. What is this place where God had created human being? That wasn't Earth. It was a separate place, the garden of Eden with trees, great weather conditions and peaceful animals. First people according to Bible could not travel back to that place but were cast away to the Earth with cruel weather conditions and wild animals, with hard dry soil. So where is this place? It could have been a different dimension, or... a different planet. Where they could see and talk to Serpent and God.

There are also many other places mentioned in the Bible that could only match other planets. Like the lake of fire where the satan was cast to.

I'm not denying the existance of other dimentions, but you can't label all aliens as demons because of some demonic stories that few people came up with.

P.S.: There is some interesting information that can explain your idea though. A while ago I read a theory according to which we live in a dimension between "demons" and "angels". And so there are aliens that are from lower dimensions and have very few abilities in our world, like all the physical material is a hindrance for them: they can't go through walls, they can't have physical contact or effect on people. And there are beings from higher dimensions that can go through hard surfaces and have any impact on people they want. And they are the beings with higher development then people.
I don't support any of these theories, I'm just telling you that there are many more different perceptions of this matter but there arn't any real evidences to support neither, it's just one person's words against other. And who knows if we will ever find out the truth.
I do beleive that people have the highest power on the Earth and any other beings (if so) who visit Earth have limited abilities and can't physically hurt anybody. If anyone can hurt us that would ourselves. Have a strong mind and clear understanding of what is real and you have nothing to be afraid of.

Part 3:

ok, this starts out showing Criss Angel (a magician for anyone not familiar...brilliant one (eat your heart out david copperfield), but just a magician...tricks)

Every decent magician since, the age of trickery, has been considered satanic or summoning spirits or whatever until of course the magician finally lets people in on how the do it (much to the scorn of fellow magicians...not supposed to explain the tricks outside of magicians circles)

Now, the supposed silver bullet showing demons in video 3 is psychic phenomona...aka, telekenetic touch, etc...nothing to do with channeling, aliens, spirits (beyond someone feeling "guided" by his dead brother).

yep...its becoming more and more flimsy...video 4 then...surely video 4 will be the smoking gun.

If I understand correctly, the ufos people have seen are actually demons, because demons can take any form they want? If this is the case, and it is true that we reverse-engineer alien ufos and have gained technology from this, does this mean we have actually reverse-engineered demons? Does it also mean we have shot down demons? Does it also mean that the ufo a christian missionary friend of mine saw up close 40 years ago hovering over his family's car was a demon?

reply to post by SaturnFX


Works in theory, except that there is no guarantee that alien civilizations that are that level of spacefarring currently exist in our immediate sector of the universe. Species on Earth has a high extinction rate, and much of it comes from a very dangerous solar system, in an even more deadly galaxy. We could be the only class 0 or higher civilization that is currently alive in this entire sextant.

reply to post by HolyandClean

I have believed for 20 years as you do now that the so called aliens are entities from another dimension. There has never been any solid evidence in photo's or actual material evidence of their existence. Another thing is alien abductions are always done in a devious under cover of night way. Many that had the abduction experience would start to call out the Lord's name and would have the whole thing end right away. This has been documented many times.
Today mankind is so spiritually hungry for someone great or an extraordinary event to take place that would bring hope and peace to all the world. Men and woman are ripe for an event that will give them a false hope, a deception that will benefit an elite group to be able to control the populace of the whole earth.
If these people want to put their faith in leaders, scientist, astronomers, and military men to give them honest words and actions to give them hope, than it will be to their own ends and they will all fall for the greatest lie of all time that God does not exist and that Satan is a god. Of course they do not know or realize that they will be worshiping a fallen angel, and his demons.
This deceiver will achieve his goal to pull as many down as he can, and he uses men and women in very high places to get what he wants.
Not everyone are willing to see the truth and that's because without really knowing it they would rather worship the beast rather than the Creator.

There is evidence to prove that God and the devil exist. All you have to do is choose who your going to have faith in and lots of knowledge will be revealed to the individual.
Those that will never know for sure are the ones that refuse to accept and believe that, yes God and the devil do exist.
The best thing that the devil likes for a great start for successful deception is when people refuse to acknowledge and admit that yes he does exist and that he is a deceiver.

The information is there for all to see, read, and view. The first place to look is in your government, it's history of the men and women that were and are involved. Another is the Vatican and it's history.

The blame always gets put on religion, what most don't realize is, religion is man made, and man is full of flaws. Religion and Christianity are two separate ways, religion is a mixture of beliefs, traditions, and ideas where as Christianity that comes directly from Christ is about love and forgiveness. Just those two things alone, "love and forgiveness" speak volumes if everyone of us could have and keep hold of these two great traits.

Great thread OP, S&F.

i'd have to say humans are the most demonic spirits then, Mao Zedong killed over 80 million people during his reign, Stalin killed over 40 million, Hitler over 6 million, the USA has killed over 3 million in the last ten years alone and that's not including their own soldiers and civilians... i'm thinking the aliens are pretty mild compared to US! you're thread is null and void in my opinion, especially because you're basing it on a book from thousands of years ago... i'll never understand why people want to hold on to a different age and only use the bible when their are thousands of writings and experiences we have TODAY!

Originally posted by WolfofWar
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Works in theory, except that there is no guarantee that alien civilizations that are that level of spacefarring currently exist in our immediate sector of the universe. Species on Earth has a high extinction rate, and much of it comes from a very dangerous solar system, in an even more deadly galaxy. We could be the only class 0 or higher civilization that is currently alive in this entire sextant.

Right, well, I figured you would progress the thought, I used the term probes.

A even average thinking alien civ would, if not visit regularly, just drop some probes down that would alert upon life...perhaps certain aspects of life, such as a nuclear event or something (showing not only intelligent life, but potential to either cause alot of damage, or start exploring outside of their planet). however, I would imagine the probes would be more sensetive than that...perhaps relaying whenever self replication begins on a planet for simple study.

Who knows...but the idea that they have no clue we are here is more of a leap of faith than assuming they do and may be, to some degree, monitering us. In regards to travelling 30k years to see us...well, I am assuming they aren't using steam engines to fuel their spaceships...however, I am not overly convinced that they would personally come to see whats going on. alot can be accomplished from a simple probe the size of a horsefly spread out around the world...the only real purpose for actually setting boots on the ground would be for purposes of meeting face to face...

Originally posted by HolyandClean

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy

Please consider watching the video

I just watched it. This video is wrong. The Bible says people do not go to heaven when they die, or the lake of fire. People are just dead when they die. They have no thoughts, or no consciousness. They are "sleeping" right now. Do I need to show you the scriptures that say this? John 3:13, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 and 10

Oh great: ( that's convincing) another:

" The bible is true because it ( the"bible")says so right here in turpentine:27-54! Tell me you see the circular logic in this response?

Simply say:" I don't have any evidence; I believe it on faith ; you don't have too".

Originally posted by HolyandClean
Look, all those people killing in the name of God are breaking God's commandments, and thereforth they are not the true followers of God. The true followers of God keep God's laws, statutes, commandments, holy days, and the faith in Jesus. Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14, Matthew 19:16-19, Ecclesiastes 12:13, John 14:15, 1 John 2:4-5, 1 John 5:2-4

Let's not make this post about religion.

Sheesh( forehead smack)Why? That's exactly whatthis is.

Originally posted by HolyandClean


Let's stick to the OP. Whether you believe in God or not is irrelevant. What is important is that these entities are real! They are ON OUR PLANET AS WE SPEAK. They have possessed people, like our world leaders.

remains unconvinced....

Well I dont think they are all demons from personal evaluation, I think a demon will possess any vessel of travel it can even non flesh. Some are not compatible with human nature which is maybe why they traverse interdimensional/long distance and others may follow them or hunt them.

Originally posted by HolyandClean
... I've been reading some of J. Allen Hynek's books. This man was a very well respected researcher in the UFO field. He, like myself, wanted to debunk this nonsense. [Hynek] came to the conclusion that these are extra dimensional beings, or demonic spirits. ....

[[citation needed]]

I've read just about every UFO book there is under the sun and Hynek never made this kind of statement. You're gonna have to back that one up. Otherwise I call baloney.

Originally posted by hawaii50th
There is evidence to prove that God and the devil exist. All you have to do is choose who your going to have faith in and lots of knowledge will be revealed to the individual.
Those that will never know for sure are the ones that refuse to accept and believe that, yes God and the devil do exist.

Lol, what? To get the evidence, you have to have faith and lots of knowledge will be revealed to you? Does that only work for christians, or does it work for all types of belief systems that use faith? Having faith in something is never as good as having actual evidence.

This thread is a great example of what happens when people confuse two topics they know nothing about... lunacy

reply to post by HolyandClean

I've been researching this topic heavily for about 2 years, cause I wanted to debunk these claims.

Excellent, so starting with a biased approach?

I've been reading many books, including one called "Behold a Pale Horse" by Bill Cooper.

May want to research him a bit, as he's been in with a bunch of shown hoaxers. Check into the way he died too, for a bit of a glimpse inside his psyche. (shootout with the cops)

I've been reading some of J. Allen Hynek's books. This man was a very well respected researcher in the UFO field. He, like myself, wanted to debunk this nonsense.

Hynek was a former secret-keeper turned UFOlogist. I think it may be a bit presumptuous to assume what he sought, but he entertained various theories over time, as to what he thought were responsible for the phenomena...

Anyways, the scriptures do talk about this subject. Let me post a scripture here..

To the ancients, EVERYTHING was spiritual. Thunder was the anger of the gods. Lightning, their wrath, etc. So, to think they'd have even an inkling of any kind of objective view when seeing an unexplained object in the sky or strange being, OF COURSE the scripture would describe it as angelic/demonic.

If I went back in time and lit up a lighter, I'd either be a demon or an angel, so sorry if I can't put too much stock in what the ancients thought of aliens.

Of course, since we really have NO idea who or what aliens are (assuming they exist), any theory is just as good/bad as another...but there are at least documented cases of the beings stating where they are from, and the majority of these are all astronomical vs spiritual locations.

aliens aren't demonic spirits, now whether they're of this planet or elsewhere, that's still to be determined? as far as them blinking out into another dimension that speculative as well. One things for sure they ultimately have the technology and the upper hand, and whether they have ill intentions for us or are merely our creators that may never be known, but demonic spirits?? NAH
I think i could bring something more horrifying demonically than big eyes lil Grey weirdos in balls of light

Video 4:

Random ghost footage...meh
Back to some balloons footage, then to a ghost picture telling you to compare it to maxwell's alien (nothing alike at all..not even if you are on drugs while really trying to believe...you must be delusional to see a comparison).

Then back to yacking about the occult.

Talking to Maxwell...funny...initially they suggest Satan wants to be worshipped like God...of course, maxwell is now talking about reincarnation (which...doesn't worship satan...actually, requires no worship)..so, self defeating.

So, vid 4 is a flop to establish anything, and actually contradicts the beginning videos now..but they are now showing more and more preachers making up stuff on how its all demons chatting.

Video 5..yep, here we go...this will certainly turn my thinking around.

Originally posted by Death_Kron
This thread is a great example of what happens when people confuse two topics they know nothing about... lunacy

If you have the knowledge than why don't you share it? Instead of just making a statement why not enlighten us with what you know.
One liners do not give credibility to shooting down what is being said here.

reply to post by HolyandClean


Ok I will bite. (I happen to believe these are compression artifacts.)
Why do the eyes only manifest themselves and not the whole body?
Can you please show me an example of this in videos BEFORE digital computer compression was used?
Limbo

ok, well the toltec shaman scientists, observered humans, themselves as well their reactions, from this they made assumtions as to the nature of the mind, Being they found that different people would react completely or almost completely the same, they concluded that we are in fact possesed by a demon, that this demon lives in us, and actully gives us its fearfull preditors mind to act as our own, so that it may infect and sour our minds there making our energy(its milk /or meal) dark-cruel that it suits its needs.
Personally when i met the sorcerer's I thought this idea nuts, but with training to increase my ability-awareness,
I found that there were indeed times when it seemed I was drawn to engage in maddness, by what seems like a duelality of self , as if there was a demon in myself pretending to be me, and it seemed always to want to drag me down in the mire..... That demon would berate, demoralize, taunt towards cruel actions/deeds, that inner voice may have been mine, but i think not, now it restrains itself for it knows Im now its master rather than vice versa, ...so maybe they are demons, my encouter with them made me want to destroy them any and every chance I get...so any body got a alien hive? cause I'll be glad to climb in and show 'em a lttle Love! or a few of my toys...

Originally posted by warriorseeker
ok, well the toltec shaman scientists, observered humans, themselves as well their reactions, from this they made assumtions as to the nature of the mind, Being they found that different people would react completely or almost completely the same, they concluded that we are in fact possesed by a demon, that this demon lives in us, and actully gives us its fearfull preditors mind to act as our own, so that it may infect and sour our minds there making our energy(its milk /or meal) dark-cruel that it suits its needs.
Personally when i met the sorcerer's I thought this idea nuts, but with training to increase my ability-awareness,
I found that there were indeed times when it seemed I was drawn to engage in maddness, by what seems like a duelality of self , as if there was a demon in myself pretending to be me, and it seemed always to want to drag me down in the mire..... That demon would berate, demoralize, taunt towards cruel actions/deeds, that inner voice may have been mine, but i think not, now it restrains itself for it knows Im now its master rather than vice versa, ...so maybe they are demons, my encouter with them made me want to destroy them any and every chance I get...so any body got a alien hive? cause I'll be glad to climb in and show 'em a lttle Love! or a few of my toys...

I'd say there are doctors who could prescribe you some medicine that would take care of your "demons".