USAF General says UFO-USAF battled twice in Vietnam !!

reply to post by SonoftheSun


from your wiki link you posted

During his term as CJCS, Brown commented on two occasions, to a Duke University audience in October, 1974, and to a French reporter in 1976, that Israel was becoming a burden to The Pentagon and believed that the reason for continual military aid was due to Jews having control over America's banks, newspapers and elected officials. His exact words were:

It's so strong you wouldn't believe now. We have the Israelis coming to us for equipment. We say we can't possibly get the Congress to support that. They say, 'Don't worry about the Congress. We will take care of the Congress.' Now this is somebody from another country, but they can do it. They own. you know, the banks in this country, the newspapers. Just look at where the Jewish money is

wow, does he sound like a quack to you ???

nail on the head if u ask me

reply to post by SonoftheSun

General Brown had been heavily reprimanded for publicly talking about Israel...He didn't seem to mesh with words...

What do UFOs and/or Aliens have to do with Israel. Because someone is brash, does not mean they cannot be taken out of context.

Originally posted by fishspeaker
my "strange" phrase are the best translation i can manage of the alien language known as "yu-mak-fo-u", spoken by the greys and understood by the other major races (insectoids, reptoids, blue ones)

bull-snip

ur first mistake
Greys do not have vocal chords
and cannot speak.

maybe mods need to be alerted here

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The topic of this thread isUSAF General says UFO-USAF battled twice in Vietnam !! discuss the topic and stop with the off topic joke responses. Anything that is not on topic will be removed!

Originally posted by fishspeaker
i have known about these engagements for some years now. it is called "moh-car-bin-lan" by the greys because it involved 3 of their abductor craft that were harvesting viet-namese villagers for vivisection, as part of our treaty with south viet-nam we had to defend them against these grey raids

Fine. so show us the documentation you have that gives stark evidence for everything you offer.

Otherwise, as frequently we find here on ATS, "It didn't happen."

You do understand that there is a differance between someone coming to the Grey Area, etc. and stating their sole individual personal experiences which can draw the above standard comment I've used, and a far, far larger incident involving a very large number of people, communications voice and paper, and a hole in an Australian destroyer?

reply to post by boondock-saint


I agree. My reference to Cooper wasn't meant as Brown being a whack job. It was meant as someone who doesn't hold back on what he thinks. It isn't really surprising that he spoke of UFOs...

reply to post by boncho


See my reply above.

Thanks.

reply to post by SonoftheSun

I agree. My reference to Cooper wasn't meant as Brown being a whack job. It was meant as someone who doesn't hold back on what he thinks. It isn't really surprising that he spoke of UFOs...

He mentioned UFOs but we still do not know the context. (It hasn't been posted in this thread). Meaning that he may have been adding or detracting to the validity of UFO reports.

Meaning his brashness has nothing to do with it until we know the context.

reply to post by boncho


Boncho my good man...I'm not following...

This is what he said:

“I don’t know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren’t called UFOs. They were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ [demilitarized zone] in the early summer of ’68. And this resulted in quite a little battle. And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved but we always reacted. Always after dark.” The same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in ’69.” General Brown, as USAF Chief of Staff, addressing the appearance of UFOs during the Vietnam War at press conference in Illinois, October 16, 1973

He is relating a story about UFOs. What context are you talking about? He even says that the same thing happened again in Pleiku in 1969...so as I said, maybe I am misunderstanding something...if you could expand on your thought, I would appreciate.

I ve done a wee bit of digging through Vietnamese UFO Case files
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/60773567ac42.jpg[/atsimg]
here is the only known UFO image taken by A US serviceman in Nam, need to point out I don't know of any review that's been done on it to authenticate it.
It was shot with an Electro-35 Yashica camera by an American serviceman travelling in the back of an army truck along a country road near Chu-Lei in March of 1967

“what he described was the intelligence center in Thailand that coordinated the military aircraft flights over all of Vietnam. As he put it, ‘if there was a plane flying anywhere in S.E. Asia, this control center knew about it’.” It was probably the Nakhon Phanom Royal Thai Air Force Base, identified in FOIA documents discussed below. Andy reported that “one day [probably in 1969] on multiple radars, they tracked an object traveling at 7,000 mph that repeatedly made right angle turns. They checked with the top commanders from Air Force, Army, Navy and Marines. All confirmed they had no aircraft flying in that area at the time. Of course, the folks in the intelligence center were warned never to speak of this event.” Miranda added that Andy was a sharp individual without tendency to exaggerate. “He knew exactly what he was telling me. And he had no reason to embellish the story.” Thus ended my first Vietnam UFO story. More were to follow.

“There were several times, while on patrol in the jungle, that I had time to look up at the stars,” began Mazzola. “I saw more than a few unusual ‘shooting stars’ that maneuvered in a way no meteor could.” One incident left an indelible memory in the young soldier. Mazzola couldn’t remember the exact date, only that it was around 1966 or ’67. Mazzola’s patrol was pinned down in tall elephant grass when they saw something strange appear over the paddy fields and palm trees ahead. “I couldn’t believe what I saw,” continued Mazzola, “the other guys saw it too but afterwards were too shocked to talk much about it except to say, ‘What the hell was that?’” Mazzola’s job as Forward Observer for his platoon was to call in the coordinates of enemy positions to US Navy ships.

Mazzola heard the shells first from the south (the American warships positions) and “then the objects began to receive artillery rounds in the other direction, from the north [the Vietcong]. The shells never made the target. They all exploded short, we could see the black smoke puffs in the air.” The detective almost implied the UFO was doing something to explode the shells prematurely. The object continued to hover “silently, gracefully,” said Mazzola, and in less than five minutes “shot straight up in the air” and was gone.

...I then discovered another interesting case, ...1973...It occurred at the South Vietnamese Nha Trang Base in June 1966, which housed over 40,000 troops, including 2000 American GIs. The witness, an enlisted soldier with Specialist 5 rank, recalled that soldiers had gathered to watch an outdoors movie projected with a diesel generator. They had watched the film for a while when the sky suddenly lit up with what they first thought were flares.
....... Pilots on the base estimated the lights were about 25,000 feet high.

“Everybody is still talking about it.”

www....(nolink)/ufos-during-the-vietnam-war/

OK so the files then lead on to the "enemy helicopters" comment and it does give a possible explanation as I asked previously as to context and why the general would be talking about UFOs randomly.
Apparently the Governor of Ohio had the day before reported a UFO sighting, and there was media questions for the air force on this

he 1973 UFO flap peaked: the Governor of Ohio had reported a UFO sighting the day before, the Pascagoula abduction occurred on the 11th, and the Coyne helicopter-UFO encounter would take place two days later. So it wasn’t surprising that the press would ask General Brown’s opinion about UFOs.

Hope this helps (and brings the thread back to the topic and off greys that abduct and eat the Vietnamese speculation that its been focusing on)


Here is a copy of the Pentagon transcript.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/35db0e4cdec8.jpg[/atsimg]
You can see the media ask the general about UFOs, if indeed this isn't a bogus transcript!
If it is correct them I am now officially intrigued as this appears to be tangible evidence.
Zazz

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by fishspeaker
my "strange" phrase are the best translation i can manage of the alien language known as "yu-mak-fo-u", spoken by the greys and understood by the other major races (insectoids, reptoids, blue ones)

bull-snip

ur first mistake
Greys do not have vocal chords
and cannot speak.

maybe mods need to be alerted here

Because your best friend is a Grey who lets you stuff a flash light down his throat every Sunday to confirm that he definitely does not have vocal chords.........but he likes things shoved down his throat anyway.

Right? Right?

HMAS Hobart was the Australian destroyer......

and this is what I found:

www.gunplot.net...

happy reading folks!

and while I'm still digging, found this too:

www.auforn.com...

The HMAS Hobart Association (see last photo of torpedo damage):

hmashobartassn.com...

reply to post by bluemirage5


Thx for the link, if this thread didn't start with silliness it would bet getting more attention it deserves as its got some legs in terms of official reports form seamen through to a airforce general, when we scratch deep enough.

On that page they say that is the official story and actually direct you to another page by a witness who says two interesting things

1) craft or ship (cant work out naval speak sorry) disappeared in because of a 'flash of light'
2) they were fighting and tracking "lights" in the sky. Not friendlies.


its here www.gunplot.net...

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Thats because no one here knew of the name of the Australian destroyer and I recall the HMAS Hobart was in that particular region in 1968 because I have one ANZAC in the family who did a tour in Vietnam.

The only strange story I know about that destroyer is one of the "green ghost". There's afew stories about it you could tap in to on the net somewhere.

One of the photos of the damage appears a wee bit strange though.......if you know what you're looking for

"I don’t know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren’t called UFOs. They were called enemy helicopters..."

To me it sounds like he was being a bit sarcastic. My take is that they were IFOs, specifically Viet Cong helis. Just my perspective.

reply to post by Flux8


also my initial reaction, but you have seamen reporting fighting unknown "lights" to corroborate the story...spose we should all keep digging

You know, sitting out in the desert or up in the mountains in Afghanistan, you can get good and bored. Believe it or not, even in an area where combat is common, most of your time is spent just sitting around waiting for when the SHTF (or doing work to keep your mind of of when it will). We would sit around just looking at the sky trying to pick out drones or other aircraft - kinda like the punch buggy game we played on road trips with my sister. "Predator!" "OUCH!!" "Chinook!" "OUCH!!" You get the idea, a bunch of bored idiots with not much to do at the time. It must have been like when our ancient ancestors would sit around the fire (bad light discipline... ) and look at the stars. You see some crazy stuff and I'm sure some of it is your mind making stuff up, but cool nevertheless. We even had a BBC reporter imbedded with us for a little bit and tried to get him to get some good photos, but he could never get on photo paper (or memory card, at least) what we really saw.
I can't say whether it's the human mind making stuff up or that UFOs (the alien kind) are drawn to areas of conflict, cuz lots of guys I know say similar things to the above.

reply to post by boondock-saint


They don't? I don't know much about their anatomy so that's why am asking.

reply to post by bluemirage5

The HMAS Hobart Association (see last photo of torpedo damage):

That photo is of damage to the original WWII cruiser, Hobart, not the DDG Hobart connected with the Viet Nam story, I believe.