Just My Opinion..Some OF You Guys Just Take It Too Far....

You strike a very good point for those who talk garbage and those who "know/feel" they exist.
Regardless, I accept your opinion.
I cannot show you anything to prove my point.
Aliens aren't alien.
Aliens have been around longer than we are!
We are a new species in this universe, while others have been around for hundreds of millions of years, which gives them the upper hand of understanding the universes physics and different dimensions.
Nevertheless, the question most people can't get over is, "Why bother with us."
And all I can say to that is "they don't."
We are a failed raced if you haven't noticed.
Our governments are beyond corrupt and are full of greed, and our giant corp.s are simply killing us, the planet, and themselves.
We have no regard for the idea of harmony or peace.
Where they have mastered this and have been enjoying life.
To solve a long argument about God, he is not real.
GOD is not a master of the universe.
OUR sky ancestors are our GOD.
We look up to them and praise them.
This is the religious scribe.
While the rules of living, the 10 commandments, were given to us by them to achieve peace.
However, individually we may be bright, as a mass/mob we are dumb.
Thereby we are controlled by idiots because we are in a Shepherd leading sheep society,
but back on topic.
You are right, we have no evidence. However, we have the mental capacity to accept the truth even if we can't accept it.
Let the skeptics stay skeptical. Ignore those who look a gift horse in the mouth.
Find serenity in yourself and then look for education and understanding to reversing the affects we have on our world before we can't fix it.

Also, I recommend everyone to youtube The Coming of Tan Poem
And then check out the audio book The Coming of Tan
It's quite beautiful.

Most people who talk about different ET races do this because of reading/hearing multiple unlinked reports of contact. Personally I believe first hand reports are one of the most overlooked things in this field. It can't give you the hard evidence that most folks want, but you can draw connections between accounts and that gives you an idea of what may or may not be reality and simply fiction.

Personally, when I see multiple unlinked reports from everyday joes who never had a care in the world about extraterrestrials before their contact insisting the same things, its enough to convince me that we are at the very least, not aware of a much greater truth in this existence.

Far too many people look at the UFO/Extraterrestrial "phenomenon" as just that, a phenomenon, rather than digging into all of the literature and then drawing their own conclusions.

Great post OP, I couldn't agree more. For people like you and me who believe without proof we will never be able to understand how someone can come up with the idea of different species of ET and different types of ships belonging to that race or this race, etc.

I think some of this so called knowledge comes from books by whistle blowers from within the gov't who supposedly have first hand knowledge of these different species visiting earth. Hell, I would be satisfied with just seeing a UFO let alone having proof of different species visiting earth.

Originally posted by AnotherYOU
i usually say this, alien believers do more harm to their own cause than debunkers, disinfo agents and men in black ever will.

the difference is those who follow this more as a science, and those who follow this as a religion.

instead of rapture they pray for disclosure...

 

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So very true!! I have been getting a daily fix of smiles and guffaws following a youtube poster ( I have been banned from his channel...lol) and his fans who comment on his numerous 'sightings' of an alien. The thing that is concerning is the kind of info/advice given. Shoot it. Careful of its ray gun or stun gun. Set a trap. They travel in packs. Ask it what it wants.Dont look into its eyes. Dig a hole so it will fall in. etc etc.
By far the most common advice is..kill it.
These people make those who look at it as a ' science' even more crazy in the eyes of non believers. And God forbid an errant alien ever sets foot near one of them!

Originally posted by TheLogicalist
I just don't understand with the above facts.
How people are giving stories on a entire race of "Creatures" they don't know even exist. How are people Talking about

Nordics
Reptillians
Cat People
Lion People
Fish Aliens.....
Giant Bugs or Bug People
Spirit Beings
The Possibility of Whales and Dolphins being aliens...
The Possibility of their Dog "Lucky" being a alien...
Federations of Light
Galactic (insert random space related word)

There is a lot of bollocks written on ATS about aliens. However, don't let it put you off. Just ignore the garbage

To be fair some of the "races" you mention might have made an appearance. There have been reports of witnesses who met humanoids with cat like features (not literally felines though lol). Some apparently may have reptile like skin. Unfortunately, as I say, lots of bollocks too.

Thanks for the replies everyone... I'm glad I'm not the only one who feel this way.

For Example this site that has been posted in multiple other threads used as proof or as a source of the different races. Some descriptions copy and pasted directly from this site.
Alien Species
Zero Proof of any claims on this site yet some people eat it up as fact.

Someone tell me how anyone would know

ALPHA-DRACONIANS
Reptilian beings who are said to have established colonies in Alpha Draconis. Like all reptilians, these claim to have originated on Terra thousands of years ago, a fact that they use to 'justify' their attempt to re-take the earth for their own. They are apparently a major part of a planned 'invasion' which is eventually turning from covert infiltration mode to overt invasion mode as the "window of opportunity" (the time span before International human society becomes an interplanetary and interstellar power) slowly begins to close. They are attempting to keep the "window" open by suppressing advanced technology from the masses, which would lead to eventual Terran colonization of other planets by Earth and an eventual solution to the population, pollution, food and other environmental problems. Being that Terrans have an inbred "warrior" instinct the Draconians DO NOT want them/us to attain interstellar capabilities and therefore become a threat to their imperialistic agendas (Draconian).

Or

DRACO-BORGS
Cybernetic forms controlled by reptilian entities. These would also include those forms which are animated by fallen supernatural or paraphysical entities, whether of 'gray,' 'human-like', 'mechanical' or other configuration. There are some who suggest that human-appearing 'infiltrators' of this type may exist in our society, and that certain characteristics might give them away--i.e. the eyes, a slightly sulfurous smell, unrefined features such as no fingerprints or ears or other 'body' parts which seem to have a slight 'artificial' appearance.

or even

ALTAIRIANS
Alleged Reptilian inhabitants of the Altair stellar system in the constellation Aquila, in collaboration with a smaller Nordic human element and a collaborative Grey and Terran military presence. Headquarters of a collective known as the "Corporate", which maintains ties with the Ashtar and Draconian collectives (Draconian).

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Really? REALLY?
This site list these as "KNOWN ALIEN SPECIES TO MAN."
Anybody here want to announce that they have left the Solar System or even the Galaxy? That would be breaking news...

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If you keep a closed mind to the mysteries of life you will miss. Sometimes as far out as some peoples personal experiences can be there is truth in them.

If I heard my experiences I would hold reservation on them if they were not my own, but I would not shut out the possibility of them either.

Originally posted by TheLogicalist
Some of the Ideas are just INSANELY out there.
I know these are suppose to be Theories, and this is a Conspiracy Theory site, I have no problem with that argument. But aren't theories suppose to make a little bit of sense? Are They suppose to be Logical, Reasonable, Intelligent?

When Insane Theories get out there, it makes UFOLOGY, look less credible, and the people who follow it look like "Crack Jobs."

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This^ this is why I get annoyed at people making insane things up.

For some reason unknown to me some people feel the need to believe in things no matter how much bs it is.

Originally posted by TheLogicalist
This is strictly my opinion....

Maybe I should not expect anything else from a site like this but I will type it anyway.
First off it is my belief that Aliens are real, and UFO's of extraterrestrial nature are visiting earth. To me it's pretty logical to believe that sense we fly probes and satelites to other planets another civilization will do the same.
Hell my personal belief is Aliens may be on the moon, just based on the distance and the amount of UFO sightings...But that another topic.

Most people are open to the fact we may not be alone in the universe. At least according to some polls I have seen.
What I don't understand personally. Is how some of you people (believers) are making such monumental leaps..
Here we have a subject which we can ALL agree:

-We don't have a Physical Spaceship to show people
-We Don't a Alien alive or dead to show people.
-Hell we don't have a picture a Real Alien to show people..
-There are few interesting pictures of UFO's, arguments can be made if they are real or not...

I agree with you that immature believers claim outlandish things like what you would see on a cartoon, listening and adding on to the fathomless and relentless pool of disinformation.

However what stimulates me is that there are monumental leaps which are in fact logical (no pun intended).

If aliens had bases on the moon and if they were creatures highly more evolved than us it would not be hard for them to have underground bases on earth and hide in front of eyes of the lesser species. Hence we have people in different parts of the world witnessing "mysterious lights" going into and coming out of mountains and in some cases lakes or oceans. It just so happens in those areas at those times we have mysterious cattle mutilations, and whole police forces concluding that aliens from outer space are behind it after rigorous and intense investigation.

Also anybody who understands psychology to a good degree will see through disinformation, they will see through the lies, the coverup, and they will understand that the remarkable evidence they have seen is just the tip of the iceberg, but the real evidence is purely illegal and kept as far out of reach from anybody as possible.

take it too far? believe me, i have yet to take it far ENOUGH

Actually a lot of these beliefs come from people that claim to witness these things, as does your belief. If nobody was talking about it, you would have to make it up on your own out of thin air.

Stargates are not from Sy Fy, they actually got the idea from ancient cultures and gave it a modern spin. The reason you are confused or don't know how people conclude these things is because you don't seem to be familiar with the part of history commonly referred to as "mythology".

It's only called mythology because people want to label things. Labeling something as something else doesn't make it so. I can put a milk label on rat poison, but if you drink it, you'll find out it's not milk. Likewise, mythology is likely a grouping of historical events interpreted by the people that experienced them.

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I honestly don't care how extreme some people are with their opinions on this subject. Its been decades since it became a subject of debate. There have been numerous credible level-headed moderate voices that have spoken up over those same decades and have gotten nowhere. You may as well let everybody yell about their opinions as loudly as they can because being level-headed about it has never helped.

Here is what you do with the opinions on this conspiracy theory that you don't like: ignore them.

I personally do not hold any radical beliefs on the subject, but I do recognize we're never going to get anywhere on it until something earth-shattering takes place to dislodge it from the realm of contemporary myth into an accepted reality.

Originally posted by fishspeaker
take it too far? believe me, i have yet to take it far ENOUGH

Yea...I bet you haven't...

I wouldn't worry about it. The # of people that actually believe in all those other species of alien with detailed history of each, which includes stuff like.. underground bases where they feed them our young.. is pretty tiny, in the overall scheme of things.

Think of it like this: You will not convince any of them to change their mind. You are wasting your time trying. Those people have little chance to convince others of their beliefs. So they are also not a threat, so to speak. I wouldn't worry about it. They are for a lack of a better word.. harmless.

Originally posted by TheLogicalist
This is strictly my opinion....

Maybe I should not expect anything else from a site like this but I will type it anyway.
First off it is my belief that Aliens are real, and UFO's of extraterrestrial nature are visiting earth. To me it's pretty logical to believe that sense we fly probes and satelites to other planets another civilization will do the same.
Hell my personal belief is Aliens may be on the moon, just based on the distance and the amount of UFO sightings...But that another topic.

Most people are open to the fact we may not be alone in the universe. At least according to some polls I have seen.
What I don't understand personally. Is how some of you people (believers) are making such monumental leaps..
(snip)

I wish you would change your handle from The Logicalist to a more fitting one The Illogicalist for you don't use logic in your comments. You complain about "...(believers) are making such monumental leaps..." I'm sure meant leaps of faith. But you are specifying believers and yet you are one! You are believer because you say that it is your belief that aliens are real. The one thing about beliefs is that they don't require evidence and beliefs are the result of mental conditioning.

And that UFOs are of extraterrestrial nature again without evidence.

You believe that aliens are on the moon without evidence.

You rely on polls to color your opinion.

The Logicalist? I don't think so. I'm logical and I could never post threads such as yours.

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Don't you know it's all true? Faries are coming on Comet Elenin, to teach us how to expand our dimensions. That is, of course, if we haven't been annihilated by the Eel people of planet Mung. Or the Mayans. No, really- couldn't agree more. Some folks will believe all they read. Now, where's my tinfoil common sense filter?...

HAHAHA awesome post i couldnt agree any more with you!

Whenever I stumble upon a thread about races of ETs I will read solely for entertainment purposes - Im certain there are 'higher' people that do know 'top secret' information that the rest of the population do not. However has anybody ever thought that these random posters of this type of delicate information are actually government workers - slowly disclosing information!? - random thought

Originally posted by AnotherYOU
i usually say this, alien believers do more harm to their own cause than debunkers, disinfo agents and men in black ever will.

the difference is those who follow this more as a science, and those who follow this as a religion.

instead of rapture they pray for disclosure...

 

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Really a shame.
Sometimes I wonder if people deliberately make such monumental and insane leaps,
to discredit ufology.

Eh may never know

Like I've said before, when people use the "logic and common sense" excuse too much it gets old. When people rely on only that to try and explain every single thing they don't understand shows that their mind is closed and they can't think outside the box IMHO. A conclusion you come to using YOUR logic and common sense isn't going to be the same conclusion as others basing their conclusion on what THEY think is logical.

Even Spock eventually got tired of always relying on what was considered logical to come to a conclusion.

Some people just need to accept the fact that there are things out there that are unknown and we don't have all the answers. Some people just can't be happy unless they find an answer to everything.

BTW, your snide, one-liner replies ending with a ....very mature of you To be honest, a lot of your replies just come off as a little trollish IMO. As if you're baiting people for arguments.

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back in the days it was used to protect and blend the usefull info and keep a low profile.

hide the truth among the bs, and those who cant tell it apart will get it, those who are not meant to get the info just dismissed the whole thing as intended.

the thing is over the years some of those who got the truth started to think that it meant the bs used to cover it was true too.

and bs spreads like warm butter.

who needs disinfo agents when people just love to believe and spread the bs.

simple really


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