Old man disrespects Young guy and calls him a typical black punk

There's a way of doing things, and a way not to do things. Looks to me like those are condo rows, not really "his" property. Not surprising that locals would treat the area around the pond like a park.

If the old-timer really had a problem with it, he should have been a little more mature about it and spoke to the kid about it when he saw him walking his dog, and maybe called his tenants association to put up signs or something if people weren't cleaning up after their dogs.

But it seems to me that the old man was looking for a fight for the simple reason he doesn't want any "young punk n@ggers" walking around anywhere near his place. How is the kid even supposed to get up to the sidewalk from the lake without walking thru the lawn and between the buildings?

I think the kid kept his cool pretty well, even being race-baited and shoved before he finally got pissed and kicked into thug mode. Would have liked to seen the outcome there.

reply to post by FurthestStar


They are both wrong. Why does anyone have to side with either of them. The old man was rude and acted shamefully. The kid was acting like a punk and should have not even confronted the man in the first place. It's not a racist thing. I can hate people no matter what color their skin is. I think both of these people are perfect examples of the dregs of humanity.

All the racist comments in this thread make me wanna go out and push the first old man I see. lol just kidding..

reply to post by DuceizBack


What the hell is a "punk black"?

In any case, old dude was an ass and young dude was clearly too full of pride to let it drop. Two personalities that only need something like a rude gesture (giving the bird) to start the inevitable escalation.

Either one of them could have broke into a smile and said "alright, I see where we are now... let's just be more civil tomorrow". Neither did so... eh, it's what we are now as a people. Can't win in life so we need to try to dominate others who can't seem to win.

really guys? both are idiots with ego just like everyone else.. lame

Originally posted by blend57


I think the whole issue started with the old man. It sounded as though he didn't give the kid an opportunity to be a decent neighbor. What the kid said is "were you the guy who flipped me off the other day?" To me this sounds as though the old guy didn't bother to have a conversation with the kid asking him to not walk the dog on his property in a respectful manner.

Maybe he did and this is a continuation of something that is on going and we only saw what the kid wanted us to see. But if the old guy didn't ask him politely, like he would have any other neighbor/person, than he is at fault and started the confrontation.

I think the girl was video taping from her cell phone, and the kid said they were at the pond first and the old man walked up, which the old man agreed was the case. So, I don't get the feeling it was a set up other than maybe a few minutes prior when they saw him comming.

In any case, this is something that could have been handled with better communication and some common decency on both sides

We really don't know why the old man flipped him off..could be that kid and his buddies had been cutting through yards, and letting their dogs do their business on others properties for awhile.

We really don't know the back story to the flip..what we can tell is that this young man and his friend clearly went to tape this man,and seemed to interrupt the fishing this old man was having with his buddy,solely for the purpose of antagonizing him,as well as recording it.

Shame on him , and then he might wonder why he gets flipped the bird the next day, by some other old angry white man? Total disrespect, as well as harassment for the purpose of recording , most likely so they could win some stupid law suit against the guy. Really low.

Originally posted by wolfwood290
The old man flipped him off when all he did was walk around the neighborhood. So if I walk in front of a neighbor's house down the street I would be accused of trespassing? There is no "DO NOT TRESPASS" sign in their area otherwise there would also be a fence of some kind. The old man swore at the black dude first when he just talked in a mild manner towards him. That is ridiculous because the old man is clearly overly defensive and looking for a fight (since he's retired). If he had discussed the situation with the black dude calmly there would be no need for violence.

There are two logical reasons why the blame is the on black guy.

1. He came up talking to that old man in a confrontational voice.

2. They brought a camcorder. So they knew what they were doing before they did it, which leads me to believe that's all they want was a confrontation, so they could put it on youtube.

Originally posted by mescalito83
reply to post by FurthestStar

 

They are both wrong. Why does anyone have to side with either of them. The old man was rude and acted shamefully. The kid was acting like a punk and should have not even confronted the man in the first place. It's not a racist thing. I can hate people no matter what color their skin is. I think both of these people are perfect examples of the dregs of humanity.

True, but when you physically touch someone you cross a boundary.
I just do not know why people can not wrap their heads around this. Even a push can be considered assault and get you arrested.

Both are idiots but the older man was the bigger idiot because he elevated the situation by advancing towards the guy in a threatening manner then putting his hands on him...
Regardless of who is right or wrong once you put your hands on another person you are breaking the law plain and simple whether your 9 or 99

reply to post by ker2010


Exactly, once the old man put his hands on the younger guy, it becomes self defense at that point. You do NOT put your hands on somebody like that and expect not to get checked. The old man was ignorant to think he could do this with no repercussions, honestly he is lucky he got off with just a push (there may have been more, as we all know the video ends before we can see how far it got). There are millions who would've done much more than this kid did after being pushed by a racist, confrontational man like the one in this video.

Again, once you put your hands on somebody, there is no going back.

reply to post by liejunkie01


I had the worst neighbors when I was a kid, they would just sit on their porch a chew kids out who stepped on there gravel, they never got that crazy though
I just don't see the reason to call names and get physical towards a minor. Someone has to be the bigger person and it sure wasn't old man river

reply to post by DuceizBack


Looks to me like the black guy was the one trying to be a bitch, trying to upset someone. Don't like being called a "typical black punk"? Then don't act like one. It's as easy as that.

No wonder Europeans view America in such a poor light.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

Exactly.

Just because someone uses a word does not mean they are a racist.

Say the n word out loud - are you now a racist? Or did you just say the n word?

I see your point, makes sense. I guess I would have to agree then, putting it that way.

Originally posted by TheEndIsNear421
Wow I am honestly ashamed to be a member of this site at the moment.

I can't believe it took a post like this for all the true bigots to come out from under the rocks they have been living under. The comments I am reading are worse than the mindless racist babbling I see on youtube. I watched the ENTIRE video (which obviously a lot of you did not ) and I thought that kid was very polite and approached it in a mature manner. If some old man flipped me off I would ask him the same question. Old dude had to take it to the next level and get skin color involved, did he expect the kid to just take it and his fishing buddy to agree with him and have his back? The kid had way more patience than me. It's funny, you could see the exact moment the kid got serious and that old man backed down like a PUNK. What did the old guy expect? If anybody (regardless if they are older than me), pushed me like that, (twice!) he would be lucky he only got pushed. Don't dish it if you can't take it, didn't we learn this in 1st grade?

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When I go to record someone for possible evidence I am going to be polite and on my best behavior on camera too. Notice his polite act did not last very long.

reply to post by Frontkjemper


How was the black guy being a "Typical Black punk"? He wasn't disrespecting the old man. He did have a smart mouth, but he didn't do anything out of line. He asked the guy a simple question and he flipped out.

reply to post by DuceizBack


The old man is in the right. The others are what is wrong with almost every aspect of the western world today.
No respect for anything or anyone.

reply to post by Perplexity


I fundamentally agree...

Can someone please let me know where they mention poop on his property?

They addressed him about his rudeness in a calm manner and he inflamed to the point of derogatory racist remarks. All anyone can do is call the kid a brat and not look at the reality of the situation... as if their generation is some sort of gang

...Just more proof that aging and growing up are two completely different things.

It's pretty obvious to me it is the old mans fault. First of all, the kids did not seem to be looking for trouble. Next, by the tone is the kids voice you can tell he did not really believe that he was walking the dog on the mans yard; so it is safe to say that the yard had no fence around it. It is reasonable to assume that he had no idea he was on the mans yard in the first place. The kid then tells the man he was not very polite in the way he said to stay out of his yard. I think from that it is safe to assume that it was the first time the kid was walking his dog on the mans yard. It was an innocent mistake and I think everything could have easily been avoided by politely letting the kid know that was his yard and he did not want the dog on it.

Next, the old man clearly had no respect for the kid. If there's one thing I hate its old people walking around like assholes and demanding respect. It's one thing to respect your elders, but that does not give them the right to walk around being rude to people and then expecting respect back. I think the old man initiated the conflict by being rude, and escalated the situation by getting in the kids face and pushing him. Even after his racist comment and the first push, the kid did not retaliate. In fact, he seemed pretty calm until the old man got in his face once again. The old man got what he deserved.

Originally posted by dumpaling
It's pretty obvious to me it is the old mans fault. First of all, the kids did not seem to be looking for trouble. Next, by the tone is the kids voice you can tell he did not really believe that he was walking the dog on the mans yard; so it is safe to say that the yard had no fence around it. It is reasonable to assume that he had no idea he was on the mans yard in the first place. The kid then tells the man he was not very polite in the way he said to stay out of his yard. I think from that it is safe to assume that it was the first time the kid was walking his dog on the mans yard. It was an innocent mistake and I think everything could have easily been avoided by politely letting the kid know that was his yard and he did not want the dog on it.

Next, the old man clearly had no respect for the kid. If there's one thing I hate its old people walking around like assholes and demanding respect. It's one thing to respect your elders, but that does not give them the right to walk around being rude to people and then expecting respect back. I think the old man initiated the conflict by being rude, and escalated the situation by getting in the kids face and pushing him. Even after his racist comment and the first push, the kid did not retaliate. In fact, he seemed pretty calm until the old man got in his face once again. The old man got what he deserved.

ARE YOU NUTS?! The kid brought a CAMCORDER to record the confrontation. Did you not see how many times that video has been posted on youtube? That's the exact purpose of why they recorded the video.

Honestly, the young kid handled it perfectly up until the point he got angry. If he would of had self control and just took his video to a local news station think of how much more that would have accomplished.

Now, either they ended up getting into a fight and he hurt the old man or he told his friends which will NOW go and mess with the guys property.

That's the difference between handling it rationally and handling it irrationally.

reply to post by dumpaling


While I see your point about the old guy, that kid is just egging crap on. You got a couple kids and a video camera and constant bickering between two people. Okay so the old guy is grumpy, start acting like a young adult and then say "okay sir, sorry about that." and move on? Why the prolonged argument, why not just avoid a grumpy old man and leave it at that?

Fact is, one was a grumpy old man trying to be territorial, and one was a young punk, just egging a situation on cause he felt it was his right to. If the kid just moved on, grumpy old man might of gone home to nag to his wife about said punk and found a new thing to nag at tomorrow. No one was more right then the other with the information we have (just video of confrontation).