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Formed in 2003 by Duke University professor emeritus Thomas Naylor, the Second Vermont Republic bills itself as a "nonviolent citizens network" focused on independence for the state of Vermont and the dissolution of the Union. Why? Because of "the tyranny of corporate America and the U.S. government" and so that Vermonters would not be, as Naylor told TIME in 2010, "forced to participate in killing women and children in the Middle East." The group also wants Vermont to become dependent on family-owned farms and businesses so as not to rely on other states or countries to sustain itself. Their flag is similar in design to that of an earlier Vermont secessionist movement from the 18th century.
The Second Vermont Republic is a nonviolent citizens' network and think tank opposed to the tyranny of Corporate America and the U.S. government, and committed to the peaceful return of Vermont to its status as an independent republic and more broadly the dissolution of the Union.
The Republic of Cascadia would bring together Washington State, Oregon and British Columbia. Proponents of the new country (which has little chance of ever becoming a reality) say the approximately 14 million residents of "Cascadia" should demand their freedom from the oppressive governments of Canada and the U.S. "For too long have our people put up with indifference ... from distant seats of power," they write on the Republic of Cascadia website. Supporters point to the words of Thomas Jefferson, who apparently never intended that the U.S. reach all the way to the Pacific Ocean.
Abundant in both natural and industrial resources, home to giant corporations like Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks and Nike, and host to the Hollywood of the North (Vancouver), the country would likely prosper. Socially, it would probably be one of the most liberal countries in the world. While conservatives call much of the rural eastern side of Washington and Oregon home, liberals inhabit the much-larger cities of Seattle, Portland and Vancouver, where all things eco-friendly and organic reign supreme. A far more conservative movement farther north, in Alaska, seeks to make that vast, remote state an independent country.
At the maximum extent, Cascadia would be home to more than 20 million people and would boast an economy that generates more than $750 billion worth of goods and services annually, which would place Cascadia in the top 20 economies of the world. The notional Cascadia, were it to encompass the states and province it spans, would be the 20th largest nation in the world, with a land area of 1,384,588 km² (534,572 sq mi).
There is a commonly held belief across Alaska, that the US Constitution has been set aside, and other then ourselves, there are no protections to the liberty and freedoms we are to have as our continued inheritance since the formation of the Union of the "several States". Our main "goal" is a legal vote and ballot; one that was not given in 1958 and was in violation of International Law and Treaty. Alaskans were robbed of the choices we were to have as a non-self-governing territory, and steam-rolled into the current classification of a State. The Native population of Alaska, in a large percentage, did not even receive a ballot because of the Federal Voting Rights Act in place, at the time requiring the ability to read and write English, and for the first time in any Statehood vote of a Territory entering this "Union", the military and their of age dependents, through a special act of the US Congress, were allowed access to the Statehood ballot. Then, as today, corruption abounds. The US government is far and away outside the bounds placed on it by the 9th and 10th amendments and is operating illegally for all.
The Hawaiian sovereignty movement (ke ea Hawai‘i) is a political movement seeking some form of sovereignty for Hawai'i. Generally, the movement's focus is on self-determination and self-governance for people of whole or part native Hawaiian ancestry or, in some cases, for "Hawaiian nationals", without regard to ancestry. Some groups advocate redress from the United States for the 1893 overthrow of Queen Liliʻuokalani, and for what is seen as a prolonged military occupation beginning with the 1898 annexation. The movement generally views both the overthrow and annexation as illegal, and holds the U.S. government responsible. The historical and legal basis for these claims is one of considerable dispute.[1] While groups that comprise the movement share common concerns, their views on solutions vary greatly, ranging from establishing of some form of "Nation within a Nation" government (similar to some Native American tribes), to reparations from the US government for historical grievances and an end to American military presence, to outright independence from the US.
Originally posted by coldkidc
United we fall and divided we stand?
I'm not sure how many of the state governments could truly make it on their own right now and offer their citizens a better alternative. They have no cash...not that the US has money but at least they can print it.edit on 10-6-2011 by coldkidc because: one liners aren't cool
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Great post.
Wonder when our own government will realise that the citizens of this country are ready to impeach each and every one of them that have contributed to the mass sell-out of oir once great country. America, TIME TO ACT IS NOW. Get on the phone to all members of congress and DEMAND that they rid this government of global corporate interests. You have got to remember that encouragement from the populace can inspire those good few. It can embolden them to help us.! Call this weekend and leave a message. Stop this war, end Bilderberger and corporate governance and to put America first. My phone bill is going to be big this month, but I hear in the alternative news already that Congess is trying to step up against the war in both Democrats and Republicans. Please help! Call a few every day.
Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
I agree that states should be allowed to secede peacefully from the Union. There is no possible way it will happen the same way it did at the start of the Civil War, with Union garrisons being overrun, leading up to the capture of Fort Sumter...It will have to be accomplished politically.
I do not believe that secession will ever be allowed because the State government will likely never be on board. Even if they were, the Federal government will likely use everything in its power to prevent it, including martial law. As much as I wish Texas would secede, there isn't anything in place that would be better than the Federal government.
The question as to whether a state is a sovereign entity, or is required to remain in the Union because of the Constitution has been debated at least since 1812, when New England wanted to secede. There are rumors that Texas and Vermont, possibly others as well, reserve the right to secede if they wish, but these are simply untrue rumors.
This fact alone would keep any state from LEGALLY seceding from the Union, therefore making the only option another Civil War, which will never have enough support to succeed. It is recursive. It would have to be done politically, but it cannot be done politically at the same time. Our only hope as a nation, realistically, is to slowly alter the Federal government, imo.
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by Drezden
Great post! I'm all for it... I have been waiting anxiously for the day when the first state secedes, because then there will be a domino effect, one after the other. New Confederations will form, freedom and liberty will exist on the North American continent for the first time in over a century. It's about time someone made a quality post on the taboo "S' word.
For those of you that try to make the argument that a state can not legally or constitutionally secede let me remind you that it was the individual states that formed the federal government, not the other way around. Also remember that the U.S. was formed because we seceded from our union with England.
I will leave you with this line from the Declaration of Independence, which is clearly talking specifically about secession...
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them to another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal status to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by Drezden
Great post! I'm all for it... I have been waiting anxiously for the day when the first state secedes, because then there will be a domino effect, one after the other. New Confederations will form, freedom and liberty will exist on the North American continent for the first time in over a century. It's about time someone made a quality post on the taboo "S' word.
For those of you that try to make the argument that a state can not legally or constitutionally secede let me remind you that it was the individual states that formed the federal government, not the other way around. Also remember that the U.S. was formed because we seceded from our union with England.
I will leave you with this line from the Declaration of Independence, which is clearly talking specifically about secession...
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them to another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal status to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
If the states seceded what in the world makes you think the many seperate governments are going to be any different than what you have now. You'll probably end up with a bunch of tiny federal governments that operate just like ours does now. Leaving the union offers you no better guarantee than what you have now.
Instead you'll have many independent states just ripe for invasion from foreign nations. You don't think China would be over here in a heartbeat since it's doubtful if anyone is gonna come to your little commonwealths protection.
People never think this stuff through.
Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by Drezden
Great post! I'm all for it... I have been waiting anxiously for the day when the first state secedes, because then there will be a domino effect, one after the other. New Confederations will form, freedom and liberty will exist on the North American continent for the first time in over a century. It's about time someone made a quality post on the taboo "S' word.
For those of you that try to make the argument that a state can not legally or constitutionally secede let me remind you that it was the individual states that formed the federal government, not the other way around. Also remember that the U.S. was formed because we seceded from our union with England.
I will leave you with this line from the Declaration of Independence, which is clearly talking specifically about secession...
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them to another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal status to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
If the states seceded what in the world makes you think the many seperate governments are going to be any different than what you have now. You'll probably end up with a bunch of tiny federal governments that operate just like ours does now. Leaving the union offers you no better guarantee than what you have now.
Instead you'll have many independent states just ripe for invasion from foreign nations. You don't think China would be over here in a heartbeat since it's doubtful if anyone is gonna come to your little commonwealths protection.
People never think this stuff through.