The DEATH of Enterprise-mission...

The only place to hear about RIchard C Haogland these days is on coast to coast am. Which is where he most certainly did talk about space nazis on a few occasions. He didn't actually come right out and say it, but he suggests that it's the only possible answer quite clearly.

reply to post by GhostLancer

No matter the reason, he has UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY NEGLECTED his website (www.enterprisemission.com).

I think Hoagland got burned out after NASA and JPL gutted his Face on Mars stuff. And it's not like any of us trust NASA. But, he was fighting against a really tough tide. That, combined with the years were taking its toll on him.

He simply moved on, evolved away from the single dimension.

I like his stuff but personally, I find him distant, detached and all but unreachable by anyone who doesn't have a radio show or a really respected website. He doesn't deal with the average Joe very well... and that makes him appear stuffy, snobbish and arrogant.

He's etched his spot in history and if nothing else, could nail down a good regular spot on Coast 2 Coast radio show if he ever needed income.

If the chance presents itself... and it probably will, Hoagland will be back when the MSL reaches Mars.

reply to post by GhostLancer

NONE OF RICHARD C. HOAGLAND'S BOOKS (OR ENTERPRISEMISSION.COM) MENTIONS "SPACE NAZIS." Whatever source you are quoting is FALSE. Please provide the ORIGINAL SOURCE for your claims, not just quoted text. Again, to my knowledge, RCH has never quoted "space nazis." Again, you must provide CREDIBLE SOURCES for your quoted texts. You attack without evidence or proof and people see through your shams.

The claims I presented regarding Richard C. Hoagland's claims of Space Nazis was not quoted text. You should go back and re-read. It says "quoted post" and was not posted as quoted text. Those claims were made in the Red Ice Radio interview...the link I posted. Here it is again for you since you are avoiding it.

universallyaware.ning.com...

The claims I posted regarding Hoagland and these Nazi's in Space are accurate and you will find each one of them said from Hoagland's mouth. Although not verbatum, his comments have been condensed, not exaggerated into stupidity. Hence...they were not quoted. The term, "nazi scientists that escaped WWII near the end and fled into space and eventually colonized the moon". How does this phrase not break down into the same meaning as "Space Nazis"? Stop your disinformation campaign. Listen to the interview.

Originally posted by Marrr
Thus, forcing all of his peers at NASA to shun him like the crazy old man down the road.

What "peers at NASA"?

Hoaxland never worked at NASA or for NASA, and has zero scientific training

reply to post by spoor


This is true. He wasn't directly employed by NASA. Although his associating himself with NASA every chance he gets made me give him a confidence boost. Trust me, he'll need it for what is coming. For now though, I will give you this that I did find on Hoagland's website. Although not a direct link to Space Nazis or even Moon Nazis, this will give you a taste of what is to come. I do hope you enjoy.




Enterprise Mission and Nazi Tank

Also, did you know.....Richard C. Hoagland is also now claiming that Comet Elenin is actually a spaceship? One would think he had learned something after his ally Art Bell ran with similar information regarding Comet Hale-Bopp? The madness never ends...

How do you know that Comet Elenin is NOT a spaceship? If the universe is as old as we think it is (and some scientists are now speculating that it is FAR OLDER THAN WE CAN IMAGINE), it very well could be a spaceship. With all of the debris, particles, radiation and who knows what else floating around out there, constructing living environments and engines *inside* an asteroid/comet might have benefits. The notion might seem impossible and silly to some, but so was the idea of heaver-than-air-flight right before the Wright Brothers made it happen.

There was an article in Nation Geo earlier this week about a star that emits jets of high speed WATER into space. That sounds ridiculous, too, to many. I mean, really? WATER in space created by a star? But it's the kind of discovery that permanently affects the way we look at things, our perspectives. Just like finding out all of the previously hidden and unrevealed facts about NASA, our Moon and Mars. LINK: news.nationalgeographic.com... Discovering such a star is a *watershed* moment and the floodgates as to what can and can't be "out there" are open. Without having an open, yet skeptical and scientific, mind, we as a species are merely *treading water.* One day it's going to be *sink or swim* for us, and the more we open ourselves to the possibilities, the better we'll be off.

Thanks for the link to the space nazis interview. I can't listen to it right now, but I certainly will. With an open mind. There is a lot more to our world than we have been led to believe. Truth is really stranger than fiction. Who knows? I'll write more about space nazis *after* I listen to the radio show.

reply to post by GhostLancer

How do you know that Comet Elenin is NOT a spaceship?

Call it skeptics intuition.

After the myriad of questions I have posed to you in defense of my posts in this thread, that is all you give me? The bulk of your most recent post asks one semi-legitimate question and the rest is filled with Hoagland-esque psychobabble. Hoagland operates in a very similar way. Commenting very briefly about the topic at hand, then flooding the listener/reader with a spaceload of blathering, unrelated bits of information.

If the universe is as old as we think it is (and some scientists are now speculating that it is FAR OLDER THAN WE CAN IMAGINE), it very well could be a spaceship. With all of the debris, particles, radiation and who knows what else floating around out there, constructing living environments and engines *inside* an asteroid/comet might have benefits. The notion might seem impossible and silly to some, but so was the idea of heaver-than-air-flight right before the Wright Brothers made it happen. There was an article in Nation Geo earlier this week about a star that emits jets of high speed WATER into space. That sounds ridiculous, too, to many. I mean, really? WATER in space created by a star? But it's the kind of discovery that permanently affects the way we look at things, our perspectives. Just like finding out all of the previously hidden and unrevealed facts about NASA, our Moon and Mars. LINK: news.nationalgeographic.com... Discovering such a star is a *watershed* moment and the floodgates as to what can and can't be "out there" are open. Without having an open, yet skeptical and scientific, mind, we as a species are merely *treading water.* One day it's going to be *sink or swim* for us, and the more we open ourselves to the possibilities, the better we'll be off.

Hoagland-esque psychobabble subterfuge ^ Hoagland's primary strategy at winning debates.

You have yet to comment on Hoagland's Angstrom Medal. Why?

You are welcome for the link. The second video is the full 55+ minute interview. You will find each of the posted claims of Space Nazis contained in it when and if you get the time to review the evidence. I would analyze his comments very closely. Hoagland is a veteran when it comes to giving these interviews and his tact in laying it out is noteworthy. Listen closely, he makes those claims.

reply to post by Marrr

Psychobabble? Skeptical intuition?

First, although I love ATS and enjoy discussions on this particular thread, it's not my life. I have my work and a lot of wonderful distractions in the form of a wife and two yound (and very demanding children). LOL... I barely get time to get on here as it is, let alone address every bit of information you assert here.

Second, to call examples that I brought up as psychobabble is dismissive without acknowledging the POINT of my example. The *point* is that our universe is FAR STRANGER than our "skeptical intuition" allows for. I think that most people would admit that discovering a star that shoots out water like a geyser at both ends is pretty darn STRANGE and unusual, would you? That went against my "skeptical intuition" --that STARS can shoot WATER? C'mon. I use that to illustrate that the ***POSSIBILITY*** of Elenin being some craft isn't that far-fetched, especially considering the age of our universe and the strange things we're learning about it every day.

About that medal you mentioned. I have no idea what this is all about. Hoagland has a medal of some sort? I really don't have time to look into it, but I'm sure that you will cast it in the most negative, anti-Hoagland light. I have admitted that he is human (like "I" have to admit that about anyone?). Of course he's human, and susceptible to all the frailties and mistakes that you and I are, and ever more so in his case since he is trying to make sense of the world and writing books about it, putting him into the target sites of people like you, who will try to make him look like something he is not.

It is your decision, as it is anyone's, whether or not to have an open mind. I choose to take RCH for what he is: someone who is ILLUMINATING the public about things which were not previously well-lit. The average person probably has NO KNOWLEDGE about Project Paperclip, the true nature of NASA, and/or anomalies on the moon and Mars. The average person takes NASA's spin and deception at face value. The average person believes that their government puts them FIRST. The average person believes that their government would never lie to them. The average person is "asleep" to the truth. They will immediately believe people who discredit people by calling them "kooks," "crackpots," and "conspiracy theorists," as if those labels, in and of themselves, are EVIDENCE to dismiss the work of those people. They will fall into step and ridicule and dismiss WITHOUT DOING ANY READING or RESEARCH into the subjects. They don't have the time to... because they are busy putting gas in the tank, putting ham on the table and a roof over their heads. So, they use mainstream media as a crutch. It's easier to do than to confront and investigate uncomfortable topics that suggest the world is FAR DIFFERENT than they've been *conditioned* to believe.

BTW: I still haven't had a chance to listen to the interview. Thanks again for the link, I'm going to begin to listen now.

ADDTIONAL THOUGHTS: I'm about 13 min into the interview. Thanks for sharing. So far, some thoughts are... If you are attacking Hoagland, you're also attacking Dolan, Farrell, Marrs and others whose research has led to a similar theory. --That theory suggests that there is a Fourth Reich and/or a "Breakaway Civilization." They might be one and of the same, possibly. Farrell has written an entire book towards this, called, "THE NAZI INTERNATIONAL." Marrs has also devoted an entire book to this, "THE RISE OF THE FOURTH REICH." Dolan has strongly spoken of this in presentations and his UFO trilogy, "UFOS AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE." Mike Bara and Hoagland jointly penned, "DARK MISSION: THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF NASA." Each book *INDEPENDENTLY* corroborates that some few (elite) have access to extremely hidden and exotic PRIVATIZED technology that originated with Nazi (SS) scientists who were brought over from newly post WWII Germany under the classified project PAPERCLIP. I highly recommend reading the books I mentioned. Those authors independently created a PERFECT STORM intersection of thoughts which put many pieces of this vast puzzle together...

Originally posted by GhostLancer
Just like finding out all of the previously hidden and unrevealed facts about NASA, our Moon and Mars.

Just what hidden facts about NASA, the moon and Mars was found out by Hoaxland?

Originally posted by GhostLancer
The average person probably has NO KNOWLEDGE about Project Paperclip, the true nature of NASA, and/or anomalies on the moon and Mars.

Neither does Hoaxland, as he has no knowledge of what NASA does, and there are no "anomalies" on the moon and mars.

The average person takes NASA's spin and deception at face value.

What spin and deception? The one spinning and deceiving people is Hoaxland!

You seem to think all because someone has written a book then it must be true! How gullible are you?

Double post

reply to post by GhostLancer

First, although I love ATS and enjoy discussions on this particular thread, it's not my life. I have my work and a lot of wonderful distractions in the form of a wife and two yound (and very demanding children). LOL... I barely get time to get on here as it is, let alone address every bit of information you assert here.

Take your time. I'm not demanding you come in here forth width.

About that medal you mentioned. I have no idea what this is all about. Hoagland has a medal of some sort? I really don't have time to look into it, but I'm sure that you will cast it in the most negative, anti-Hoagland light. I have admitted that he is human (like "I" have to admit that about anyone?). Of course he's human, and susceptible to all the frailties and mistakes that you and I are, and ever more so in his case since he is trying to make sense of the world and writing books about it, putting him into the target sites of people like you, who will try to make him look like something he is not.

It's called the Angstrom Medal of Science. I linked to it in one of my earlier posts, but due to your current time restraints I will post it again for you to read at a later date. I'm not going to say another word about the medal...I'm leaving that for you once you have informed yourself on it. Hoagland touts it like a doctorate and it's discussion in this thread is quite relevant. This thread is about the death of Hoagland's website...all material I have posted is in accordance with that.

Hoagland's Angstrom Medal of Science

It is your decision, as it is anyone's, whether or not to have an open mind. I choose to take RCH for what he is: someone who is ILLUMINATING the public about things which were not previously well-lit.

You still haven't proven that. On the other hand, I have provided more than enough information to show that he is nothing more than the exact opposite of that. You're still trying to debunk my assertion that Hoagland believes or claims WWII Nazis live in Space and on the Moon.
Again, please cease ALL CAPS on words you think are important.

The average person is "asleep" to the truth.

What is the truth? Wait...don't answer this until you have finished with the Space Nazis and the Angstrom Medal.

They will immediately believe people who discredit people by calling them "kooks," "crackpots," and "conspiracy theorists," as if those labels, in and of themselves, are EVIDENCE to dismiss the work of those people. They will fall into step and ridicule and dismiss WITHOUT DOING ANY READING or RESEARCH into the subjects. They don't have the time to... because they are busy putting gas in the tank, putting ham on the table and a roof over their heads. So, they use mainstream media as a crutch. It's easier to do than to confront and investigate uncomfortable topics that suggest the world is FAR DIFFERENT than they've been *conditioned* to believe.

I think you went a little Freudian here. You do realise the exact same can be applied to you as to your beliefs in Hoagland?

If you are attacking Hoagland, you're also attacking Dolan, Farrell, Marrs and others whose research has led to a similar theory.

Bring it on....

reply to post by GhostLancer

Each book *INDEPENDENTLY* corroborates that some few (elite) have access to extremely hidden and exotic PRIVATIZED technology that originated with Nazi (SS) scientists who were brought over from newly post WWII Germany under the classified project PAPERCLIP. I highly recommend reading the books I mentioned. Those authors independently created a PERFECT STORM intersection of thoughts which put many pieces of this vast puzzle together...

That is a completely different topic. Hoagland infers that the Nazis causing this trouble live in space and have lived in space for over 60 years. This is not the same as Nazi technology captured from WWII. Stop making references about Hoagland's Space Nazis to Earthbound WWII Nazis.

Originally posted by Marrr
reply to post by GhostLancer

 

Each book *INDEPENDENTLY* corroborates that some few (elite) have access to extremely hidden and exotic PRIVATIZED technology that originated with Nazi (SS) scientists who were brought over from newly post WWII Germany under the classified project PAPERCLIP. I highly recommend reading the books I mentioned. Those authors independently created a PERFECT STORM intersection of thoughts which put many pieces of this vast puzzle together...

That is a completely different topic. Hoagland infers that the Nazis causing this trouble live in space and have lived in space for over 60 years. This is not the same as Nazi technology captured from WWII. Stop making references about Hoagland's Space Nazis to Earthbound WWII Nazis.

edit on 19-6-2011 by Marrr because: hydraulic malfunction

Earth-bound and the "space nazis" you refer to would indeed have connections, for one came from the other, most likely. As far as using ALL CAPS to add emphasis, who in Hades are you to be telling anyone else how to conduct typing? Someone has a superiority complex? Why don't YOU conduct YOURSELF as you see fit and ASSERT YOUR PERSONAL POWER in whatever direction you need to in your PERSONAL life as to make for a happier personage. YOU: stop ordering other people around. YOU have **no** authority in this matter.

You actually have proven very little, as your goal is a negative: debunk the work of someone else versus coming up with your own research and ILLUMINATING the world about a topic. You are like a movie critic who slams a certain director's movies just for the sake of it, nitpicking every single thing and taking things out of context like an armchair quarterback instead of making your own movies or writing your own screenplays, or writing your own books.

I will not continue to have this dogfight with you, as your mind is made up. You have conducted "investigation by PROCLAMATION." Don't bother you with the facts because you've already made up your mind. I never said just because someone wrote a book it must be true. However, you are saying that it is not true WITHOUT reading his book(s). I can tell you have not read his work because had you, you wouldn't be so harsh, as you would have to acknowledge the validity of his writing and research ---IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE BOOK(S). They are well-sourced and footnoted.

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by GhostLancer
Just like finding out all of the previously hidden and unrevealed facts about NASA, our Moon and Mars.

Just what hidden facts about NASA, the moon and Mars was found out by Hoaxland?

If you don't have much disposable income, I highly recommend getting a used copy of DARK MISSION from amazon.com. Used books sometimes cost 1 penny, with shipping costing more than the book itself. OR, go to your local library and read it there or check it out.

I recommend this because Mike Bara and RCH present their information far better than I would ever attempt to do so here. Further, you have shown CURIOSITY!! At least you asked the question, although using the misnomer of "Hoaxland" shows that it probably isn't genuine curiosity, just your trying to get me to put something out for you to attack. Well, you will have to read if you want fresh targets. However, in reading, you might actually change your mind about some of his work. Maybe, maybe not. I'm not here to change your mind. If you are so set that there are no anomalies in the official NASA images, then so be it. It's just that you're calling the man a hoaxer without at least having read his book(s).

For those who are curious about the NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLER, "Dark Mission," by Mike Bara and RCH, it is worth your time and might blow your mind. --Or at least open it to POSSIBILITIES.

reply to post by GhostLancer

Earth-bound and the "space nazis" you refer to would indeed have connections, for one came from the other, most likely.

The only connection they would have is that they would be at war with each other according to Hoagland. If you consider German Scientists employed by NASA as Nazis.

As far as using ALL CAPS to add emphasis, who in Hades are you to be telling anyone else how to conduct typing? Someone has a superiority complex? Why don't YOU conduct YOURSELF as you see fit and ASSERT YOUR PERSONAL POWER in whatever direction you need to in your PERSONAL life as to make for a happier personage. YOU: stop ordering other people around. YOU have **no** authority in this matter.

The second time you were posed with this issue, you were politely asked. The reason why I have a problem with you using ALL CAPS in this manner, for one, it gives me a headache trying to read through your posts. You are failing to consider how many people you are turning away from your posts specificly for this reason. You may also note, your capitalized words, at least in discussion forum terms, is defined as shouting. It's poor etiquette and does not help your cause one bit .

You actually have proven very little

I have provided a source for every claim I have presented, unlike yourself. You failed to even link the website that your thread is about. You have provided no sources whatsoever to back up any of your claims. Instead, you tell readers to go out and buy Hoagland's books. That is not the way things are done. You did provide one link, and it was about a star that emits water. What does this have to do with anything that has been discussed so far?

as your goal is a negative: debunk the work of someone else versus coming up with your own research and ILLUMINATING the world about a topic. You are like a movie critic who slams a certain director's movies just for the sake of it, nitpicking every single thing and taking things out of context like an armchair quarterback instead of making your own movies or writing your own screenplays, or writing your own books.

My goal is to learn. And by that I mean learn the truth. You would be surprised to know how much I have researched Richard C. Hoagland. This is what people commonly do..research the writer/author before they spend the money and/or the time in one of his books.
That is all well and good to spend the time and money in the books if the information is being presented as fantasy. As is not the case with RCH. You come in here yourself and claimed

Hoagland has only EXPOSED. He exposes FACTS about NASA. He exposes photographic anomalies that hint of a broader story that we are not being told, that is being kept from us, and he uses official NASA images to do this.

Where have you proven this? Where is your evidence? Where are your sources?
You decline to comment any further once the evidence is provided to you. You sure haven't mentioned the Space Nazis since you listened to the interview. You haven't discussed Hoagland's Angstrom Medal, even after I gave you a source/link, twice. I would go on and present more Hoagland falsehoods, but I cannot even get you to comment on the first two I have brought up.

You have continuously "attacked" me and it is quite clear now that you are not interested in the truthfullness of RCH. After claiming all of these supposed facts and truths that RCH brings to light, you cannot or will not discuss or provide any information let alone evidence of such. You cannot do that and also claim the man exposes truth, etc.

reply to post by GhostLancer


I know. I remember when I first found out Santa Claus wasn't real.
Please fellow ATS'er. I have no ill will towards you. I am trying to illuminate you! If you are into Science Fiction, I totally understand. There is nothing wrong with that. I am an avid Star Wars fan. Thing is though, I really think Hoagland has clouded your mind and your eyes. You really believe him. Also, I am not your enemy. I have mounted no assaults, attacks, or shams on your location. I am not located in the bushes.

The links I have provided concerning Richard C. Hoagland are once again researched and accurate, or they are from Hoagland's own speaking orifice. I've been searching for a peer reviewed work by RCH for over a decade now. I haven't had any luck locating one, have you? Please provide me with a link if you have one.

Once again, I have some extra Space Nazi claims for you from Richard C. Hoagland.

President John F. Kennedy murdered by Space Nazis.

Rival type anatgonist Space Nazis with torsion weapons destroyed the twin towers on 9/11 to intimidate our leaders to stay home on Earth. You are not wanted in Space.

Nasa occult arcane rituals - the grail mission..you know, like holy grail

Fear porn caused the Hale-Bopp debacle

As always, I do not post what I cannot document as a source. In the video below, you will find the above Hoagland claims...



You spend a lot of time reading Hoagland books. Why will you not listen and comment on his interviews?
Hoagland even backsteps on a prior claim if you listen closely enough.

reply to post by Marrr

Wow... Marr, are you on a payroll? I won't bother to quote and respond to each of your ridiculous points. I will choose to express myself in all caps or not, and it is not offensive to other readers as you point out. You speak for yourself and have a high degree of seeming to think of yourself as more than what you are: AN INDIVIDUAL.

Moreso, you have not backed up your assertions as you claim. MORESO: you **obviously** have NOT read the books. I return to this. You are DEBUNKING without researching and reading the books. READ READ READ the books. Then you will be on a platform worthy of discussion.

RIGHT NOW, since you have NOT read RCH's books, you are like someone who can't read trying to argue the finer points of GRAMMAR.

READ READ READ the books and then this dialogue will be more fruitful and INTELLIGENT for all of us ATSers.

reply to post by GhostLancer

I won't bother to quote and respond to each of your ridiculous points.

Since my points were from the mouth of Richard C. Hoagland, we finally agree. Hoagland is ridiculous.

Again, for Marrr and anyone else, it is highly recommended to read DARK MISSION. Some of us, however, are content with ignorant name-bashing and accusations. Their intent is well visible. However, for those preferring some good reading and some enlightenment, please read the books.

Personal example: people were slamming the movies of Michael Moore. So terribly were they trying to assassinate his character and ridicule his credibility that I thought I would at least view one of his movies before I joined in on the goose-stepping. Result? He, like Hoagland is presenting people with uncomfortable truths that reveal that our world, our very government we so well trusted, are not the entities we have been conditioned to believe they are. And, it is uncomfortable because it's like for the first time, you are getting the BIG PICTURE like never before. It's part of what many on ATS call "waking up."

Unfortunately, www.enterprisemission.com has all but died. It's carcass remains on the internet, a very interesting carcass, yet no new content in about a year. Many promos exist, promising "major report coming soon" or something to that effect. No new reports. What about that hexagon on Saturn? What about Part VII of "A Moon With a View?" Perhaps it is more lucrative for RCH to release this information in the pages of future books. If so, I'll be one of the first to purchase. His books are part of the "waking up" that people speak of on ATS.

If ATS were a university (ATSU), then the books of RCH would be essential reading (and many others). NOT because all of it is precise or spot on, though most of it *is* and most of it is well-indexed and with footnotes. Essential reading because in order to really debate intelligently, you must read the information, not just hear snippets of interviews discussing it. Further, people will discuss things in interviews that they have not written, and discussions can meander where the carefully laid-out thoughts in a book are structured precisely. Also, it is much easier to take someone's words in an interview out of context and use them to ridicule. If you read the BOOK or source material, you will get a well-rounded, carefully laid-out schematic of an idea.