Cursed Objects

Cursed Objects

Cursed objects are generally supposed to have been stolen from their rightful owners or looted from a sanctuary. The Hope Diamond is supposed to bear such a curse, and bring misfortune to its owner. The stories behind why these items are cursed vary, but they usually are said to bring bad luck or to manifest unusual phenomena related to their presence.

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I wanted to do a thread on cursed objects to gain a bit more insight into how this phenomena has migrated its way through to our modern society. The material listed is extremely subjective and whether curses exist or not is highly speculative, but I have contemplated this issue for some time now.

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If you received this item as a birthday present would you not think twice about it? Other then maybe it is a bit odd looking.
You put it next to your bed and after a few days you begin to feel a bit sick. Something is wrong, but you can't quite put your finger on it. You notice a small amount of hair falling out after a week and you are slowly deteriorating. In a snap decision you give the fish to a friend of yours. They, like you after a week or two, has the same experiences.
Is it cursed?
No, it is a piece of steam-punk art made from radioactive material!

That is the main point I am going to try to make when understanding some of this. Radiation we can detect, but what if there are other naturally occurring energies we just don't understand yet?
I consider myself grounded to reality, science and fact. But let me tell you, there are still many things that have happened in my life that I cannot explain away this way.

Diamonds and Gems:

The Hope Diamond

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The Hope Diamond is one of the most famous diamonds in the world. It is currently housed in the Smithsonian Natural History Museum in the USA. The Hope Diamond weighs 45.52 carats is graded as VS1, is Dark blue in color. The Size of the Hope Diamond is 21.78 mm wide, 25.60 mm long and 12.00 mm deep.

According to legend, the fabulous jewel now known as the Hope diamond once decorated the forehead of an Indian idol, from whence it was stolen by a Hindu priest. The poor priest, so the story goes, was captured and tortured for his troubles.
The remarkable gem, said to carry a deadly curse, first surfaced in Europe in 1642, in the possession of the French trader and smuggler Jean Babtiste Tefernier. He reaped a sizeable profit from its sale, but allowed his wastrel son to squander much of the money. Travelling to Indian to recoup his fortune, Tefernier was attacked by a pack of rabid dogs and torn to pieces. (Ouch.)
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Or maybe now, given our present situation, the curse is on the entire USA!

Koh-i-Noor Diamond

"He who owns this diamond will own the world, but will also know all
its misfortunes. Only God, or a woman, can wear it with impunity."

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The Kohinoor Diamond is one of the most famous diamonds in the world. The Kohinoor diamond was first mentioned in 1306 when it was taken from a Rajah of Malwa, whose family had held the diamond for centuries. It was described as weighing 186 carats and was an oval cut white diamond - the shape and size of a small hen's egg. The Kohinoor diamond belonged to various Indian and Persian rulers but it became part of the Crown Jewels of England at the time that Queen Victoria was proclaimed empress of India. The Kohinoor was re-cut at this time and now weighs 108.93 carats and is kept in the Tower of London.

The Koh-i-Noor Diamond (Mountain of Light) has a mysterious past. The 109-carat gem was once the largest known diamond in the world and has been the cause of violence for the past 5,000 years.
The diamond is believed to bring misfortune to any man who owns it. However, it is supposed to bring good luck to any female owner. Another legend suggests that whoever owns the Koh-i-Noor rules the world. Some have said that the Koh-i-Noor holds some undiscovered secret or power that could lead to world domination, but this is purely a myth. Why? Myths aren’t always false….

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Black Orlov

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It is now a 67.50-carat cushion-cut stone, a so-called black diamond (actually, a very dark gun-metal color).

The last of our trio of "cursed" diamonds is the Black Orlov. Known as "the Eye of Brahma," this black diamond was discovered in India in the early 1800’s. According to legend and like the first two diamonds, the 195-carat Black Orlov was allegedly found in a Hindu idol at a shrine near Pondicherry, India, where it was stolen by a Hindu monk. This action supposedly summoned a malicious spirit to embrace the Eye and the Eye’s owners.

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Delhi Purple Sapphire

“This stone is trebly accursed and is stained with the blood, and the dishonour of everyone who has ever owned it,” said the note, which had been written by Edward Heron-Allen, a scientist, friend of Oscar Wilde and the amethyst’s last owner. It carried a curse and had left a trail of bad luck and tragedy.

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Some 34 years ago Peter Tandy, a young curator at the Natural History Museum, happened upon a jewel while working among the great lines of mineral cabinets. From a scientific perspective, the stone was nothing special, though its setting was rather bizarre, bound by a silver ring decorated with astrological symbols and mystical words with two scarab-carved gems attached. It was a typewritten note that accompanied the jewel, an amethyst known as the Delhi Purple Sapphire, that caught Tandy’s eye.
Heron-Allen claimed to have been so disturbed that he had surrounded the amethyst with supposedly protective charms and sealed it inside seven boxes before leaving it to the museum in his will. His letter concluded: “Whoever shall then open it, shall first read out this warning, and then do as he pleases with the jewel. My advice to him or her is to cast it into the sea.” While they were sceptical, Tandy and his colleagues agreed to keep quiet about the curse.


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As a footnote to these items, I find it interesting the origins all seem to center around India. . . Hmm!

Curse of the Crying Boy Painting

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The curse of the Crying Boy Painting. In 1988, a mysterious explosion destroyed the home of the Amos family in Heswall, England. When firemen sifted through the burnt-out shell of the house, they found a framed picture, entitled ‘The Crying Boy’, which was a portrait of an angelic-looking boy with a sorrowful expression and a tear rolling down his cheek. But the picture was not even singed by the blaze.
Not long afterwards in Bradford, there was another blaze, and again a picture of the crying child was found intact among the smouldering ruins.

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There are other types of curses also places, events, people all fall into the category. Some are quite funny and are used to explain the failures or misfortunes. The Curse of the Billy Goat, the Curse of the Bambino, the Krukow Kurse and the curse of Gillette are all associated with sports teams or players and their mishaps.

The Curse of Devil's Pool, Australia

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Devil's Pool near Babinda in Far North Queensland is known in Aboriginal legend as a cursed place. The dangers are held to be geographical, but local tribespeople and Babinda locals generally believe and recount the legend of an Aboriginal woman's curse on the waterhole.
In 2005, the Australia TV program Message Stick gave an account of the Pool through interviews and testimonies of witnesses to investigate the prevalence of deaths to young male travellers over the years. The pools have taken 17 lives since 1959. The local council urges visitors to stay within a designated swimming area to be safe.
The legend arises from the story of a woman who married a respected tribal elder but ran away with a beautiful young man visiting for the event.
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The Curse of 27

The 27 Club, also occasionally known as the Forever 27 Club or Club 27, is a name for a group of influential rock and blues musicians who all died at the age of 27.
The impetus for the club's creation were the deaths of Jones, Hendrix, Joplin and Morrison. Cobain, who died in 1994, was later added by some. With the exception of Joplin, there is controversy surrounding their deaths. According to the book Heavier Than Heaven, when Cobain died, his sister claimed that as a kid he would talk about how he wanted to join the 27 Club.

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But maybe that is all coincidence. . . there are literally thousands of musicians that are not on the list or died before the list.

The "Superman" Curse

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There is a sinister legend that Superman is a cursed role. Blood chills at the thought of it. Has every actor associated with the character of Superman, in addition to various performers and artists associated with The Man of Steel, suffered some strange disastrous fate after completing ...

Let's examine the evidence. Most tragic is the case of George Reeves, the beloved Superman of '50s television who was the victim of a bizarre and unexpected suicide (or was it murder?). More recently we find Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder. In 1995, Reeve was paralyzed in a freak equestrian accident which eventually led to his early death, and Kidder, by some sensational accounts, went mad.
Was it the curse? Less well-known is the unfortunate case of the first live-action Superman, Kirk Alyn. The legend goes that after a promising start, Alyn's career spiraled downhill almost immediately after appearing as filmdom's first Superman. His only role of note following this was a brief cameo in Superman: The Movie, some 30 years later. Did playing the Man of Steel make his subsequent career a super-washout? Some claim that Superman creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster were cursed with hardships after selling their billion-dollar concept to DC Comics for a mere $130. Does a heinous curse, perhaps associated with man's hubris or unnatural "worship" of false gods known as superheroes befall those who attempt to mock the natural order by playing the role of Superman?Not really. Among all of the actors who have played Superman over the years, (nearly a dozen by my count), only two, Reeves and Reeve, encountered serious misfortune. And it must be said that Christopher Reeve turned his misfortune into an act of heroism that has been an inspiration to millions. This was an unforeseen obstacle that was met with true bravery and grace...

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Curse the Egyptian Princess Sank the Titanic?

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When I first saw the story of the curse of the Egyptian Princess of Amen-Ra and why the Titanic really sunk, I thought that it was just a funny story and an obvious hoax.I have since put considerable time and research into this and have discovered that, far from a hoax.

This is a story which describes actual historical events, which really happened.
The "Unlucky Mummy".
This wooden coffin lid is the most popular exhibit in the British Museum, because of the reputation of its original owner of having sunk the Titanic.
The British Museum has repeatedly issued official denials that this coffin lid caused the death of 1500 persons in the Atlantic Ocean.
The British Museum has never satisfactorily explained what ever happened to the mummy that used to be under this coffin lid.
In the first place, this story is not the concoction of some Internet crazed cyber-freak. The story has existed since the day the first survivors of the Titanic arrived ashore. It was told by Frederic Kimber Seward and other surviving passengers.

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Some people believe curses can just about do anything. But even if you are skeptical, the idea can still be a bit disheartening. From voodoo priests sticking pins in dolls, to a psychic gypsy fortune teller placing a curse on your worst enemy, occult history is full of examples of successful curses, driving people insane and making them get sick or have accidents. Never the less, is there reality to curses?
Coincidence: The usual sceptic’s answer, and some times they are right.

It’s just the inevitability of chance.Those who take a Jungian view would add synchronicity to coincidence. Here, coincidences become meaningful, as if your own mind is affecting the world about you. In this scenario, if you believe a curse can work, then you make it happen yourself. And then there are the people who just seem to have bad luck. Obstacles rise up before them, and they can form an attitude that they are cursed throughout life. Studies suggest luck is all to do with being able to calculate odds. Is this important to the issue? A calculating mind: Clearly if you can calculate odds better than the average, good luck will seem to cling to you; and equally clearly, if you cannot, then you’ll go through life from one disaster to another. In one sense, this can berelated to an optimistic or pessimistic state of mind.For instance, the optimist tends to walk through life, whilst the pessimist expects to see disaster and so he does. Indeed, pessimism can have an effect if you think you’re cursed. And it is all to do with a feeling of absolute hopelessness. There is a medical term called ‘vegal inhibition.’ This is a state where a sense of hopelessness slowly shuts down the autonomic nervous system. If it goes to the ultimate, death can be the result. A belief in a curse can, it seems, be a killer.

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Hope you enjoyed!
Thanx. . . AB

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Really good interesting thread - thanks for taking the time to put this together.

I LOVED reading about all of the jewels.

I really do believe in the power of 'cursed' objects, or objects with attachments.

I had an awful 'night time incident' that I think was down to a book I had borrowed. Mad yep - but it feels pretty true when you experience it.

Thanks again - really well put together thread. Exactly what I come to ATS for.

Very interesting and informative thread

I've always believed that curses are real and can indeed be placed on objects/places as well as people. Of course scientists will call it pure speculative superstition, but there is real evidence out there to the contrary. That's why I've always disliked when museums had Egyptian displays, because ancient Egyptians were said to have put curses on the tombs of the Pharaohs to prevent graverobbers... but nooooo, we have to go dig up what wasn't meant to be unearthed..

In 96 I lived in Old Town Alexandria, Va. and visited the Smithsonian on a regular basis. I went to see the Hope diamond. I, at that time, was studying the metaphysical properties and energies of rocks and crystals and took the time to "feel" the energies of the Hope Diamond.

All diamonds of a like color "radiate" the same frequency of energy and "feel" the same, except, size does dictate intensity of the energy. White diamonds "feel" like white diamonds, Yellow diamonds "feel" like Yellow diamonds, blue diamonds "feel" like blue diamonds.

The Hope Diamond did not "feel" like a blue diamond. It "felt" like a Herkimer diamond.

Herkimer diamonds are found in Herkimer N.Y. and are not really diamonds but are actually crystalline in nature like quartz. The initial metaphysical property of a Herkimer diamond is that of destruction and renewal. When using the energy of the Herkimer diamond it takes your personal energy and erases it and then rebuilds it to be more in tune with nature and Universal frequencies in order to prepare you for its further clairvoyant properties.

When I "worked" with a Herkimer diamond the first three days I was lethargic and disoriented after that I began to experience balance both in energy and emotion. Others I know that have worked with it have gone a week or more in this "lost" state.

Herkimer diamonds accelerate the vibrational frequencies of other stones and crystals sometimes causing them to take on the properties of the Herkimer diamonds. If, at some time, the Hope Diamond was stored with or worked with Herkimer diamonds it could have changed the properties of the Hope Diamond. With this influence and its effects one can assume that someone who does not understand would/could begin to "feel" these effects. While in this state accidents can happen easily. If you decide to experience this for yourself please take at least a week off and stay home without responsibility for safety reasons.

You can learn more about Herkimer diamonds here

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Koh-i-Noor was handed over to Queen Victoria in 1851. Why did she want it so badly?!
The Koh-i-Noor is currently under constant guard in the Tower of London as part of the Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom.

Well it seems the diamond could have effects on the male who possess it.
It seems Queen Victoria only wished for Females to hold the crown.

Queen Victoria (1837 - 1901) Reigned for: 63 years, 7 months, and 2 days

King Edward VII (1901 - 1910) Reigned for: 9 years, 3 months, and 12 days

King George V (1910 - 1936) Reigned for: 25 years, 8 months, and 15 days

King Edward VIII (1936) Reigned for: 10 months, and 21 days, Abdicated: December 11, 1936

King George VI (1936 - 1952) Reigned for: 15 years, 1 month, and 25 days

Queen Elizabeth II (1952 - ) She has Reigned for: 59 years, 4 months, and 2 days


I wonder what will become of the future Kings. Better hurry up and find a future ruling Queen.

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Very interesting and enlightening!

Thank you for your research.

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Yeah and by looking at the time line on those links, you will notice some bad things happened to the kings in that time they owned the gem.

Do you think we will see the Koh-i-Noor Diamond go under the hammer in the near future?
I personally hope not. As I’m all for a queen being in rule.

Fantastic read! I really enjoyed it, very interesting that many cursed stones are linked with India
S+F for you

There has recently been scientific experiments to demonstrates that consciousness can be programmed into matter. The previous unspoken assumption by science that consciousness has no influence on experiments has been disproven for several decades.

For the latest research into the phenomenon check out www.tiller.org

The experiments presented have been duplicated around the world and give food for thought.

I would have included Robert the Doll in this thread. He is a real like Chucky, after all these years he's losing his powers it's claimed. Anyway cool thread and btw my nan had that crying boy photo and her cooker blew... FOUR TIMES. She had so many.

If you guys really wanna get the heebie-jeebies try this cursed object on for size
Archduke Ferdinand Car

Makes you want to know the complete history of any used vehicle, lol

Fascinating thread, thank you for this.

I without a doubt believe that curses are possible, just as are possessed objects. My belief is that if a bond is created and it is strong enough, that bond cannot be broken. If enough negative energy is transferred onto an object, that negative energy stays in that object. This negative energy then, eventually, can manifest physically and take on a 'personality' of its own.

I have heard of many cases in which certain diamonds and or crystals were cursed or held certain energies. I think crystals specifically are more perceptive to the energies in which they're surrounded by, thus they are more likely to 'absorb' these energies. It would explain why numerous diamonds and crystals are labeled as 'cursed'.

Definitely possible, in my opinion.

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Darn it, you 'stole' my idea. I was going to bring up Robert the Doll. Man, that is a creepy creepy evil thing. I'm surprised it hasent been 'spirited' away to some creepy gathering, like The Grove. (Maybe those guys,....are scared of it.) Say, that painting of The Crying Boy is SCARY! I looked into those eyes, and they look ice cold and evil. (Even though they're painted, crying.)

This is a great thread, I appreciate your info and pictures. S&F.

Ahhhh so refreshing to read an interesting thread for once!

Thank you for such a great thread! S & F.

I had been of the opinion that objects were said to be cursed, to prevent theft. Maybe there is more to it. Talking about the dehli purple diamond though -

"John Whittaker, the museum’s former head of micropaleontology, took the amethyst to the first symposium of the Heron-Allen Society. He encountered the most horrific thunderstorm he had ever experienced on the way home. The night before the second annual symposium he became violently ill with stomach flu and he didn’t make the third symposium due to a sudden kidney stone".
www.danforthdiamond.com...

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What is the mechanism for an object, place or person to be accursed? Or a talisman of power, Luck etc.

Is voodoo or Santeria a valid operating principal/cosmology/religion? Are Curanderos more than just charlatans out for the quick buck?

If you answered yes then the world is a far more interesting and mysterious place than we can ever imagine.

Exploration into this world requires the shield of faith, the sword of knowledge and a power talisman.

I have a script. Any producers out there?

S&F great thread AB!!!

As a designer/craftsman/jeweler I have had many of my patrons comment to me that some of my pieces had power. If they do/did it was unintentional on my part. I'm just an artist trying to make nice things for beautiful wormen and pay for my dog food and a tank of petrol.

I don't know if it's cursed or not, but some years ago, there was this evil-looking "haunted" painting, enigmatically titled "The Hands Resist Him," for sale on eBay. It creeps me out even more than the Crying Boy.

Here's the Wiki link: The Hands Resist Him

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I am also an architect/designer/artist and have studied this effect.
You should read 'Fetishism as a cultural Discourse', it explains a lot about how and why some cling to objects of this sort - totems.

Human biofields can affect the matter around them this effect is accumulative. It seems to store in mass:- program it. I did an experiment in the spirit of Maseru Emotos water experiment to test the effect of emotion on matter here is a video with my results.
A painting created and linked to an individual with a certain energy pattern, a gem especially like the diamonds you link are especially affected by consciousness. In this experiment I used crystals.
Do this experiment at home to test this for yourself.


In this experiment I did I demonstrated how emotional energy is picked up by the things that surround us. Once again do the experiment preferably with a house plant you care for you will have the answers you seek.

Sweet post.

Had no idea there where so many large diamonds that originated in India.